I listened to a Scottish Rugby podcast with Jason Leitch, recorded earlier this week, where they discussed the reasons that appear to lie behind why the Scottish Government in their treatment of football is out of step with European countries, like Germany, France, Netherlands and others, but in-step with the Westminster Government.
Professor Leitch rhetorically posed the question you and I have discussed recently, “Why can I go to the pub and I can’t go to Celtic Park.” Through analogy, he explained that the Government were able to permit some activities, not all. That has never been in dispute, during a pandemic, you cannot allow all activities.
What has not previously been confirmed is why the Scottish Government has shadowed the (frankly abysmal) pandemic response of Boris Johnson’s Westminster government, instead of acknowledging the clear and undisputed scientific evidence that drives public policy among our European peers. Professor Leitch placed responsibility for this squarely with his political masters:
“How you then make choices between sport, versus retail, versus hospitality; that comes down to decision making, by politicians, taking the best advice they can from the financial people, the public health people, the social policy people and making choices.”
Clearly the Scottish Government listens to financial, public health and social policy people before making decisions, so do Boris Johnson and Donald Trump, this allows them to act sincere, it does not make them any good. But when Europe takes one path, which is consistent with science, and Scotland follows Westminster, which has led to some of the highest rates of mortality in the world in both Scotland and the UK as a whole, we are entitled to ask, what is going on?
They do not have a different virus in Dortmund than we have in Glasgow. In both places, it spreads significantly more indoors than out. It is inhibited by adherence to clear and monitored hygiene and distancing rules, like those in place at football games across the Continent, and it spreads where consistent enforcement of these rules is unmonitored – like pubs. The difference is the politicians, not the virus.
I know this is ‘just’ football, and our consequences are nothing like the care homes fiasco, but government policy needs to shape up pandemic response in all areas. It is not easy, but if decisions are too onerous for people in Edinburgh to get their heads around, stop following a clown in London and watch what is happening in Europe: fewer deaths, fewer infections, industry specific responses.
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David 66
Just to be clear I was being sincere about your passion. I feel the same way if you don’t want to be here go away. As I was taught by my mental older brother “If you’re no for us you’re against us”.
KEEP THE FAITH
GREENPINATA on 9TH OCTOBER 2020 12:37 PM
Paul 67,
I have mentioned many times about my fear of sleeping towards a police state.
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In my opinion we are already bordering on a dictatorship in Scotland. We are being run by unelected Professors. These people are obviously very intelligent, but infallible they are not. History shows that Professors are not always right. The daily diet of Sturgeon, Leitch and Bauld massaging their egos all over our TV screens isn’t working. New messengers required!
Thomas Boyd
@TomBoyd02
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How it started.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej__ZCFWkAAwx5S?format=jpg&name=medium
How it finished.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej__ZLiWoAEL1DW?format=jpg&name=small
Toyrome – I know my friend I was just replying.
Have a nice, safe day.
D :)
Mick – there has been a big move on Retro tops etc.
Our club shop website should be better, I dont know about outside the uk but the website is crap for browsing and ordering all celtica items.
D :)
Oops just went back online to Celtic shop and it looks better and easier to order now.
D :)
Good Day from Sunny Antigua 😎
Bada, I have little hope nterest in politics, butvreading a really interesting article on the flight yesterday from the times.
Robert Jenryck – thatbother politician that breached Covid regulations early on, travelling 140 miles to his country pile, then another 50 to then visit his parents
Oh he also managed to get a planning decision in London through before the Tory donor would have had to commit to over £100 m investment into supporting the poor areas of the city
Now it’s been exposed – a £2b fund to regenerate 101 of the poorest boroughs in England – he managed to get a £25m fund for his constuency – rated at 228 in need for England
The conservative group headed up by Jenryck, got to chose 61 of those boroughs getting the £25m fund
Guess what 60 of the 61 all conservative held boroughs, many outwith the 101 poorest and in need, and even more with close contacts to Mr Jenryck
Corrupt to the core
Yet are getting away with it, and no damage
I seen him on BBC world service earlier, preaching on measures to control Covid in the Northern boroughs
Feck sake waken up and smell the coffee as wee Fergus would say
Right back to my holiday
PS – FtSFA
Norrie- I wonder which one of his £3 million pound homes in London, he stayed in last night.?
Testing 1, 2, 3, is there anyone out there?
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DAVID66,
I was wondering the same thing.
Came down early from Aberfoyle today, I thought to myself will book a table for a meal when I get home. Then realised that East Lothian has been shutdown😵😱. Our covid rate is 45 per 100,000, East Lothian should not be shutdown😈
Also noticed outside the Co-op that everyone had a carryoot, didn’t know that Scotland was playing tonight either
Please bear with me on Covid Quick News while I mention a wee team fae the east end of Glasgow.
For those out there overtly concerned about next Saturdays’ game due tae injuries and quarantine let me take you back tae my first ever win over them that I attended.
This was a patched up Celtic side due tae being literally kicked off the park in a nothing at stake LC game down at kilmasonic. I wisnae at the game, still a wee apprentice who had tae pick and choose his games, I recall the following day sitting at tea break listening tae some of our older supporters who were there saying the aptly named Rugby Park was littered with Celtic bodies and that was the players.
So bad were big Billy and Bobby Murdoch’s injuries that they had tae be rushed tae hospital by taxi while the game was still in progress.
Bottles and cans flew fae our support and the place was on the verge of a riot when the mitb pulled both captains aside in an attempt to tae calm the game down.
What was so galling was that the templar team contained the likes of Pat O’Connor a player I was led tae believe who kept Pat Crerand out of the school team, Jackie McGrory and Frank Beattie who Jock would send a team down around 7 years later for his testimonial.
Meanwhile deidco fresh from a Big Cup win over Red Star at hades sent out an unchanged side.
So here we were on a dreich day, John Thomson’s 33rd anniversary, with a young Brogie and big Cush replacing John Clark and Billy respectively, the Bear on the left wing for the injured Buzz Bomb and Johnny Divers who had lost his place to Charlie Gallagher coming in at the unfamiliar inside right position for Bobby Murdoch.
IMHO the latter was the motm that day in a muddy pitch, he was unplayable, while his direct opponent at left half for the opposition was pretty much anonymous.
We won 3-1 with a perfectly good Yogi goal called back for a free kick tae us and a Charlie Gallagher penalty hitting the inside of the post and rolling out.
So as long as we have 11 players plus subs pulling on the hoops and actually showing up we have nothing tae fear next Saturday, that is except the 3rd knuckle rubbers officiating the game and even then as Jock used tae say “if your good enough the ref doesn’t matter”, he also said on May 25th prior to ko “We must play as if there are no more games, no more tomorrows.”
BTW on the following Wednesday night we went tae Methil in the 1st leg of the LC quarter final with the same line up losing 0-2 tae a second division side, that was typical of Celtic at the time.
Those same workmates were apoplectic on the Thursday morning at losing tae a team whose players had loused at hauf four that afternoon.
Maybe be open & not entrenched in brainwashing.
NorrieM
Are you checking your offshore account 🤔
While I broadly support the club statement about the recall of our players there’s a bit of an issue here
I’ve read lots of supporters on here and elsewhere talking about blocking our players from playing “meaningless” International fixtures like this Nations League. However, how could we attract players like Bitton and Duffy by saying “by the way, you can’t play for your country while you’re here!”. They probably wouldn’t react very positively to that!
BILLYBHOY1967
No problem with players playing for their countries…………….just not during a potential deadly pandemic.
I’m sure they’d understand.
Denayer and Boyata start for 1 of the best international teams in the world.
D :)
Where is the statement about Celtic asking for players to come back???
HH
BGFC
TONTINE TIM on 11TH OCTOBER 2020 4:33 PM
That was also my first game against the huns(from memory),I was only 9 (looked about 6)and had been taken by my 14 yr old brother and his pal.Dont remember why we didn’t get our usual lift over but do remember is was torrential rain and was soaked through standing outside the big gate/door where the jungle met huns end.It opens to let invalid car in and the big polis took pity on us and let us in………remember the talk of our weakened team with no big billy but cushley was very good especially against Jim Forrest.Could be wrong but Davy Wilson either scored or won a penalty early on to give them the lead (refuse to google it)
astimegoesby csc
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 10TH OCTOBER 2020 7:32 PM
TT, George Connolly, I’ll give you.
*Both were tortured souls although we’re led tae believe that baxter’s was self inflicted.
Personally, I think Baxter was a better player than Broonie, although they play(ed) different roles. Still, it’s amazing to me that 2 such players have come from the same wee village (I take it is wee)
*I acknowledge that baxter was a good player, in fact he was a very good player, but legend, naw.
When I think of him I’m reminded of the parable of the 5 talents, he had one and IMHO wasted it. He’s not alone and there are others, in all walks of life, that are guilty of that.
I only saw him play 5 times and all against us. The first was when big Frank contrived to dive over the ball in the final minutes tae give them a 2-2 tie practically on his doorstep, a game in which Patrick Timothy Crerand starred.
The only victory for us was in the 3-1 game that I have previously mentioned, the Fife myth was MIA that afternoon.
7 weeks later and we lost tae them again in another honest mistakes game, LC Final, while we then went on the down slide until the Big Mhan returned the following March, 6 weeks after that LC game in an excellent result for them in Vienna going there with a 1-0 first leg lead they were leading 2-0 in the final minutes when baxter, while showboating, a trait he got away with in Scotland, had his leg broken.
I recall boarding the shipyard workers train at Clydebank and being downbeat on hearing they had won when at Dalreoch a punter came on with the evening paper and on the late news section was his broken leg, not ashamed tae say I had a spring in my step walking over Balloch Bridge that afternoon, less than 2 months later I would have a similar spring on reading in the morning paper the Big Mhan was on his way back.
Its alleged that while recuperating fae his broken leg he hammered the don revie, one of the largest home builders in the country, a very shrewd man, on seeing his “prized asset” going downhill like a snowball on its way tae hell decided tae get rid of him.
No, not tae Manchester, Liverpool or London but wearside and tae a team managed by former deidco captain ian mccoll, knowing what we do now hmmmm, 3rd knuckle rubbing comes tae mind.
He played 98 games scoring 12 goals in 2 seasons there, Sunderland having spent 72 grand on him couldnae believe their luck when Notts Forrest offered a hundred grand for a player whose fitness was rapidly declining and best years were behind him and although I don’t like speaking ill of the dead was possibly an alky.
After only turning out 49 times in a season and a hauf and at the time described as the worst signing in their history he was let go, by this time I was over here for the first time and on hearing of his return north this gave me palpitations, he only played against us twice winning 1 and losing the other, the Harry Harry game when I was back hame living, he only lasted about the proverbial 5 minutes before they let him go at the end of that season, done.
Baxter won 3 Titles, 3 SC and 4 LC in Scotland but nothing in England, he was finished at 31 walking away from the game.
Now in the 50s, 60s and possibly 70s it was reported that all successful English teams had a least one Scot in them, he wisnae one of that group.
His Carolina, the poor man’s Bobby Murdoch, who actually told me when I said that if he hadn’t left we would never have heard of Chopper “don’t be daft son, if I hadn’t left you would never have heard of me, I widnae have got a game for Bobby”.
Pat, still with us at 81, won 2 Titles, 2 Charity Shields, 1 FA Cup and most importantly a Big Cup Winners medal with Manure. He was also asked by Sir Matt tae be George Best’s minder and probably kept him at the top level of the game.
Pat also told us that he had alerted Celtic tae a young manure player who was languishing in the reserves we balked at paying a 6 figure fee for him, this was Paul McGrath. I said a wee bit fond of the drink; Pat’s response was “so what, he can still play fitba”. So bevvying wisnae a concern for him as long as you stayed in condition.
Ironically the player baxter replaced at hades, billy stevenson, won 2 Titles and an FA Cup with Liverpool and was in the losing side at hunden in the ECWC Final after being in the side that knocked us out in the semis. He is still with us at the age of 80 even though like his former east coast team mate he was a publican.
As for Scott Brown, I compare him with my first hero Bobby Evans, they’re journeymen players or as Eric Cantona labelled Didier Deschamps water carriers, what better compliment can be given.
Compared tae his former neighbour Scott, a player I have labelled a latter day Bobby Evans, in his 13 years, 425 games and 40 goals with us has won a plethora of honours including 21 trophies plus 1 more with his previous major league side.
As for all those Celtic supporters that say baxter was a great, when did you see him, possibly only against us. At the time he played in Scotland very few games were televised live, only national ones were the games played at hunden as when they were at Wembley a full domestic card was usually on.
As a wee loddie I watched Scotland win 2-0 against the outlanders, my memory of that game was Pat Crerand and Big Billy in the side with wilson and caldow scoring for the home side.
I actually sent away for a postcard size coloured photie of that team which I had on my bedroom wall much tae the consternation of my 1st generation Scots born da.
IMHO jim baxter, good player that he was, is actually a myth that has been perpetrated by the smsm.
THEBHOYFROMU.N.C.L.E on 11TH OCTOBER 2020 5:41 PM
TONTINE TIM on 11TH OCTOBER 2020 4:33 PM
That was also my first game against the huns(from memory),I was only 9 (looked about 6)
*I was 16 and looked about 12, seriously
Cushley was very good especially against Jim Forrest.
*fully concur, the Garngad born deidco centre was a thorn in Billy’s side much like jimmy miller was tae Bobby Evans.
Could be wrong but Davy Wilson either scored or won a penalty early on to give them the lead (refuse to google it)
*naw wilson scored late on, I remember getting home and my mother telling me that while listening tae the game on the wireless she was concerned that they were making a comeback, I suppose after living through poor Celtic sides she had passed this way before
TONTINE TIM
I remember when Baxter returned to hades.
He looked like he had a ba’ inside his shirt.
I also seem to remember that after a liver transplant which he killed by refusing to stop drinking, he was promptly provided with another by a fawning NHS.
So not just a waste of a football talent.
I think some people need to look up the word support , shocking to see a current player getting criticised for something that he hasn’t done and ignoring all that he has done for us , Hun propaganda, it does work I guess :(
Can see next weeks game against “rangers” being called off for a multitude of reasons.
Wee BGFC – it’s on Celtic news now.
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Ryan Christie Dad came out and said he wants to go play in the EPL.
The player has binned contract talks.
Shocking that people cannot gave their own opinion on that.
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David66 No he didn’t and no he hasn’t one out of three mate ;)
Tontime Tim
`IMHO jim baxter, good player that he was, is actually a myth that has been perpetrated by the smsm.`
An interesting take on Slim Jim and, in the end, probably a view with which I agree.
To the MSSM influednce, though , I would add another possibility.
Most of us, I believe, are aware of the Uncle Tims in the Media — Bonner, Nicholas,McLeod , Commons etc— and it is usually suggested that money is at the root of their sychophantic behaviour. I believe, however, that another strange human trait might also be at play. Namely, the desire for mainly working class people to please their masters.
Celtic supporters from the outset were , again in the main, to be found ammong the undeprivileged in Scottish society.Many responded to this by being rebellious but a great many others —and maybe even some of the `rebels` — doffed their caps and tried to curry favour with their oppressors.
I believe that many of today`s Celtic supporters mirror aspects of this behaviour by showing how fair they are by occasionally talking well of some of the players of the old Rangers.
Jim Baxter, I believe, was one such. Like yourself, I felt he was good player, very good even but never `great`. He did make some great and important passes but that did not, IMO, make him a great.
He was also quite gallus and that added to his appeal and for Celtic supporters, the fact that he was apparently good mates with Paddy Crerand —- and a seemingly easy-going guy without the Masonic/Orange Order baggage — made him easy to like.
So, for me, overall a likeable guy who was very good footballer but great? Probably not.
Ryan’s dad is too old to play in the EPL.
Majestic Hartson….hope you are well you fearful,excitable young punk.
I’m very much in the camp that so long as you give your all for Celtic I’m happy to have you and will wish you well when you move on.
I’m a fan of Ryan and his MOTM points in Jobo’s competition suggests he is having a good season in many people’s eyes. Long may it continue.
I reckon if you are not happy at the thought of players wanting to move on after us, you’re never going to be happy.
Engerland are such a lucky side – get a penalty that’s rarely given and then a deflection
Regarding Jim Baxter…he was before my time but is regarded by many as a legendary player as Tontime Tim points out …the only ti.e Celtic fans saw him in the flesh was when playing against us due to very little TV coverage back in the day…would be interesting to know what the players who played against and with him thought about his ability.
Majestic Hartson Surely if you call yourself a Celtic supporter then you support any player wearing the jersey , you will naturally favour some over others but while here deserve total support , I don’t know what its like being a player but as a Celtic supporter ive put up with prejudice against me and id imagine its worse if yours a famous player so abuse from huns in public , in police uniforms or any public service cos they are everywhere and not allways obvious , once the player leaves Celtic you might retain a love for them or be glad to see the back of them your choice , that’s my opinion anyway Hail hail to all Celtic Supporter’s and Cqn posters . ;)
RPM
” Hun propaganda, it does work I guess :(”
I very often think that.I often know what `opinions` the MSSM must be spouting after I hear some Celtic `supporters` giving negative views about our team.
The Hand of God
I wasn’t at Bannockburn..
But I know it’s not too far from Tullibody
Celtic Mac….very interesting…was at Bannockburn and also Culloden very recently apparently defences performanced poorly on both occasions.