I listened to a Scottish Rugby podcast with Jason Leitch, recorded earlier this week, where they discussed the reasons that appear to lie behind why the Scottish Government in their treatment of football is out of step with European countries, like Germany, France, Netherlands and others, but in-step with the Westminster Government.
Professor Leitch rhetorically posed the question you and I have discussed recently, “Why can I go to the pub and I can’t go to Celtic Park.” Through analogy, he explained that the Government were able to permit some activities, not all. That has never been in dispute, during a pandemic, you cannot allow all activities.
What has not previously been confirmed is why the Scottish Government has shadowed the (frankly abysmal) pandemic response of Boris Johnson’s Westminster government, instead of acknowledging the clear and undisputed scientific evidence that drives public policy among our European peers. Professor Leitch placed responsibility for this squarely with his political masters:
“How you then make choices between sport, versus retail, versus hospitality; that comes down to decision making, by politicians, taking the best advice they can from the financial people, the public health people, the social policy people and making choices.”
Clearly the Scottish Government listens to financial, public health and social policy people before making decisions, so do Boris Johnson and Donald Trump, this allows them to act sincere, it does not make them any good. But when Europe takes one path, which is consistent with science, and Scotland follows Westminster, which has led to some of the highest rates of mortality in the world in both Scotland and the UK as a whole, we are entitled to ask, what is going on?
They do not have a different virus in Dortmund than we have in Glasgow. In both places, it spreads significantly more indoors than out. It is inhibited by adherence to clear and monitored hygiene and distancing rules, like those in place at football games across the Continent, and it spreads where consistent enforcement of these rules is unmonitored – like pubs. The difference is the politicians, not the virus.
I know this is ‘just’ football, and our consequences are nothing like the care homes fiasco, but government policy needs to shape up pandemic response in all areas. It is not easy, but if decisions are too onerous for people in Edinburgh to get their heads around, stop following a clown in London and watch what is happening in Europe: fewer deaths, fewer infections, industry specific responses.
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Bad news wife off to bed which means I can watch the game on the big telly and with sound. This could be a long night😵
Compare and contrast –
Celtic playing poorly in the last 180 minutes of their games had 12 shots on target.
but we are rubbidge
PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 11TH OCTOBER 2020 8:42 PM
Bad news wife off to bed which means I can watch the game on the big telly and with sound. This could be a long night😵
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Masochist has a new added definition in the oxford dictionary.
there are other better things to watch when the wife goes to bed.
like
All Creatures great and small
There’s no no
no no no no
no no no no
no no shots on target
Saint Stivs BP1 is talking about a game that naebody in Scotland saw.
WBC, wee ten thirty knocked out the same Johnny Haynes and when one of his team mates sought out retribution he got the same treatment.
Oh well,Mc Fadden can see an improvement,Eh !!!!!!.
Craig Levein
Former Scotland manager on BBC Sportsound
Quote Message:
For the first 10 minutes it was looking quite positive, we certainly played higher, our wing-backs were getting up the pitch. But it kind of just slipped back into more of what we saw the other night. Slovakia have maybe just grown in confidence as well.
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sums up Scottish fitba that the previous utterly failed manager at club and country level gets to comment on the current set up.
him and billy dudds are a pair of clows with absolute no self-awareness.
Once upon a time our family would be glued to the tele box to watch Jordan, Dalgleish etc. on the rare occasion live football was broadcast.
As mentioned above, I’ve no idea why I’m watching this, meanwhile my son is on his X-box with his school chums completely oblivious to the fact there’s such a thing as ‘international football’.
It will not exist in 10 years time.
TONTINE TIM on 11TH OCTOBER 2020 8:45 PM
your stories of your first huns game and then the follow ups were a quite excellent read.
Can you really recall all these details or have you a big scrap book you just flick through.
its brilliant.
what was that first Huns game, i want to go pull it from CelticWiki ?
ps,
these weeks of international fitba, why cant we go back to just playing our fixtures at the same time, one of the best things of the old days,
The best 45 minutes of Steve Clarke’s tenure according to Pat Nevin on 5 live.
THE BLOGGER FORMERLY KNOWN AS GM on 11TH OCTOBER
Much of the tartan army in the 70/80s would come from community clubs like Cowdenbeath, get away from watching domestic pish to watch Scotlands best players. Then we have this😱😵
Yaldi!!!
Dykes!
Good grief a shot on target and a goal⚽⚽⚽
Here’s dilemma
1 Scotland really are dire to watch.
2. I’m Scottish
So, yes I’ll cheer should we score but this is really tortuous
Goal!!!!!!!!!!
disallowed for being an australian
Griffiths and Dykes up front would be as good a front line we (Scotland) have had in years surely.
The first time I’ve managed a negative jinx!
There you go.
They scored when I stopped watching.
I’m off to bed. They’ll probably win 3-0.
Sleep,well. all.
a biggie for the juniors, watch the domino effect coming
https://twitter.com/atfc1909/status/1315271943147393024/photo/1
That’s a shame about Auchinleck as SS says watch the Domino effect.
Sad very sad.
D :)
how it started
https://twitter.com/Caramac_67/status/1315045103111753730/photo/1
how it ended
https://twitter.com/Caramac_67/status/1315045103111753730/photo/2
Just when you fancy toast and cheese, you find out no cheese in the fridge. Tattie scone instead and a glass of red🍸😂
how it started
https://ntvceltic.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/fiver.jpg?crop
how it finished
https://icdn.thecelticstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/heraldrangersrip-702×459.jpg
PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 11TH OCTOBER 2020 9:14 PM
Just when you fancy toast and cheese, you find out no cheese in the fridge. Tattie scone instead and a glass of red🍸😂
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the freedom of the wife being in bed early and you can dip a tottie scone in your tipple of choice.
enjoy.
watching scotland makes you do the craziest things
-)))
SS
Have to do something to keep me awake, delightful bottle of Terra Nera👍
stumbled across this, a good read.
https://ntvcelticfanzine.com/2016/04/10/the-succulent-lamb-sketch/
Why has our number 11 not wearing shins???????
memo to hmrc.
https://icdn.thecelticstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Rangers-1447863_preview.jpeg
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Fake Rangers News! Or just maybe, they were all telling the truth?
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IT’S THE SAME CLUB RIGHT? Every Rangers supporter will tell you that it is and so will just about every sports journalist in Scotland – there are one or two honourable exceptions. The ‘Same Club’ narrative is what we are expected to believe and the every media organisation including the BBC go along with this myth. Supporters up and down Scotland of course know the truth and will chant ‘ You’re not Rangers any more,’ to the Ibrox fans.
If it’s the same club – as they’d have us believe – why was all of this said? Were they all completely wrong to plaster this stuff across their front pages and write all this in their columns?
Are we expected to believe that none of this actually happened, or maybe wasn’t written or printed?
You decide…
“140 years of history is formally ended” The Herald.
“As a result of appalling mismanagement, Rangers fans “no longer boast an unbroken line to the past…The emotional ties will remain forever but historical strings are severed. ” Daily Record.
“The current worst-case scenario has Rangers being liquidated and a new club rising from the ashes but being made to start anew from the fourth tier of Scottish football.” The Observer.
“Rangers will exit either through an agreement with their creditors – a Company Voluntary Arrangement – or by liquidation. The latter represents a break with 140 years of history” Richard Wilson, Evening Times.
“It’s more than two weeks since owner Craig Whyte plunged Rangers into administration — putting 140 years of history and tradition at risk” Andy Devlin, The Sun.
“Last night Group 9 Sports released a statement on their website indicating that, if successful, they’d aim to emerge from administration by setting up Rangers as a new company. Kennedy will not stand back and allow the club’s 140 years of history to be wiped out. And he insisted any such move could put Rangers out of existence completely.” Keith Jackson, Daily Record.
“Administrators Duff and Phelps raised the possibility over the weekend of the current club being liquidated, meaning a new club could be formed to inherit Rangers’ assets” STV News
“…the shell that it used to operate from – and I understand the history of it – would be the thing that disappears.” (Paul Clark, Joint Administrator)
Ally McCoist will accept the end of 140 years of unbroken existence for Rangers, providing a new version of one of the world’s most famous clubs emerges in strength.” Roddy Forsyth, Daily Telegraph.
“Liquidation is no good for Rangers. It will end 140 years of history.” Sky Sports.
“The Blue Knights hope to avoid liquidation, which would leave any new club arising from the current club’s carcass facing a three-year ban from European football and open to further domestic sanctions even if they retain Scottish Premier League status” Sky Sports.
“Some Rangers fans believe the club’s history, which would end with liquidation, must be protected but there is a shameful part of that history which they should want to forget and any newco should make it clear a new beginning means exactly that. A new club open to all from the very beginning.” Jim Traynor, Daily Record.
“A new club would be banned from Europe for three years and the Scottish Premier League clubs are meeting today to discuss points and financial penalties for such a club”. Daily Record.
“Brian Kennedy and his Blue Knights have gone on the offensive and claimed their crusade to save Rangers is the only one on the table that will guarantee to safeguard 140 years of history AND AVOID LIQUIDATION.” Scott Burns, Daily Express.
“On an ongoing basis the [old]company that continues to be in administration will be cleansed of all its former problems and will at a later date be reunited, after a CVA, with the new club Mr Miller is going to create.” Paul Clark, Duff and Phelps on STV.
“Without Rangers the league would be knackered. I know a lot of supporters are saying they should be liquidated and come back as a new club in division three.” Stuart McCall in The Sun.
“Charles Green attended the SPL meeting and has a £5.5m deal in place to form a new club should the CVA fail.” David Friel, The Sun.
“The liquidator overseeing the current club’s extinction”…“Whether Rangers, as a new club formed by Green, are accepted into the SPL, and on what terms, is to be determined by the clubs.” David Conn, The Guardian.
“Rangers in crisis: the final whistle sounds on Rangers’ 140 years of history” Daily Telegraph.
“The formation of Rangers in March 1872 was a walk in the park – its death in June 2012 a shambolic slide into the abyss…However, as a result of appalling mismanagement they no longer boast an unbroken line to the past. The emotional ties will remain forever but historical strings are severed. In time, they may weave a new history that might start with the Third Division title in 2013.” Gary Ralston, Daily Record.
“The really sickening thing about all of this is it was avoidable. All it would have taken for that was for someone to be honest. Pay your dues; give the taxman what he is owed. Instead Rangers have died.” Richard Gough in The Sun.
“They’ll slip into liquidation within the next couple of weeks with a new company emerging but 140 years of history, triumph and tears, will have ended. No matter how Charles Green attempts to dress it up, a newco equals a new club. When the CVA was thrown out Rangers, as we know them died. They were closed and a newco must start from scratch.” Jim Traynor, Daily Record.
“…the reality is that in technical terms, the doors are closed on the history of Rangers…There will be plenty of pedants who feel the old Rangers are now gone, and technically they are right.” Kevin Drinkell in Daily Record.
“Green is poised to push ahead with a £5.5million deal to buy the club’s assets and form a new club, which would need to apply for membership of the Scottish Premier League and be excluded from Europe for three years.” Daily Record.
“I wanted to be able to confirm that, yes, their derbies really WERE the greatest game on earth, rather than tell the truth that they were bile-flecked re-enactments of centuries-old religious wars. It’s a cause of genuine sadness that this has never come to pass, so maybe that’s one of the things new owner Charles Green could look at as he rebuilds a new club from the rubble of liquidation” Bill Leckie, The Sun.
“Air of unreality as 140 years of history is formally ended in less than nine minutes…The Rangers creditors drifted in through Exit 50 at Ibrox Stadium just before 10am and by 10.09am they were on their way out. In those few minutes 140 years of history had been rubbed out”. Teddy Jamieson and Richard Wilson, The Herald.
“Union reps at PFA Scotland believe the new club has no hold over anyone who doesn’t want their contract to transfer across from the now defunct Rangers.” Robert Grieve, The Sun.
“We wish the new Rangers Football Club every good fortune” Walter Smith on BBC.
“And I believe concern over the new club’s finances has prompted Brian Kennedy to make a £5.6million bid for a controlling interest.” Jim Traynor, Daily Record.
“The uncertainty surrounding the new club, especially in terms of what league they’re going to play in, has been a major factor in my decision (to leave) …I have concerns about who is in charge of the new club…Will I ever come back and support the new club? I haven’t thought about it.” Steven Naismith in Daily Record.
“With the new club unlikely to gain enough votes to allow them entry into the SPL by fellow clubs at the League’s AGM on July 4 uncertainty over their future is growing amongst players.” Sky Sports.
“Of course a new club will rise from the ashes of Rangers FC.” Kevin McKenna, The Observer.
“Rangers will not play in the Scottish Premier League this season. SPL chairmen met at Hampden to vote on the new club’s application to replace the old Rangers in the top flight.” BBC.
“It was also revealed the new club had been preparing to apply to the SFL for a couple of weeks and stated the newco Rangers would play in the appropriate division.” The Sun.
“We do not consider that the newco’s allegation of breach of contract will stand up to scrutiny and in the event of the players’ registrations not being issued to a new club, we’ll look to FIFA and/or the Court of Session for a speedy remedy.” PFA Scotland lawyer in Daily Record.
“Rangers chief executive Charles Green says he will not challenge the vote by the Scottish Football League to place his new club in Division Three.” BBC.
“Another unknown is how the footballing authorities – SFA and Uefa – would react to any new club while the old club still had outstanding debts to footballing creditors (other teams) totalling more than £3m. Mr Green’s ambitions for a new club may also be thwarted if liquidators from BDO decide to challenge the asset sale. BBC.
“Green bought Rangers and their assets yesterday for £5.5million, just hours after Smith revealed he was spearheading a group to buy the new club.” Jim Traynor, Daily Record.
“Sevco are still waiting to hear if the new club have been granted SFA membership ahead of their entry into the Third Division.” Paul Hughes, The Sun.
“And IF they are allowed to enter the top division an independent commission will decide if it’s the old club or the new club that has a case to answer over EBTs.” Paul Hughes and Robert McAulay in The Sun.
“Coca-Cola, which signed a two-year deal with its sport drink Powerade to be the 54 times SPL champions official soft drink in December, says it will continue its relationship with “Rangers FC” but declined to comment on its future with the new club.” Marketing Week.
“No other completely new club would have been allowed to enter the bottom tier. It is also true that no other new club would have been even considered for membership of the SPL.” Ewing Grahame, Daily Telegraph.
“Rangers newco should apply to the SFA for admission and apply direct to the SFL in the same way that any other new club would do.” Stewart Milne, The Sun.
“New club forced to start in Scottish Football League 3” CNN.
“McCoist and Green are committed to opposing any move to have history books rewritten even though they accepted they had to begin again as a new concern after Rangers, the club with history, slipped into liquidation and closed. That should mean the titles aren’t really any of their business. But on the other hand, the SPL refused to hand over £2m, which should have gone to Rangers for finishing second last season, pointing out that the club no longer exists.” Jim Traynor, Daily Record.
“Following the failure of the CVA the club is now following the Premier League and Football Association structure, where the assets of the ‘game’, such as player contracts, are transferred to a new club and the old club liquidated. ” Accountancy Age.
“(Whyte) also added: “What other country in the world would deal with one of their biggest clubs in the way they have and demote them to the Third Division.” Wrong again, Craig. Rangers had to go there because they were a new club starting over.” Jim Traynor, Daily Record.
damn it, that was meant to be a link to the articel, apoligies
Strange that Calmac didn’t start tonight.
He came on for Fleck with 10 mins, or so, to go.
OMG there’s another game this week, more enjoyment getting my wisdom tooth oot
Prestonpans,
Just make sure you have another bottle (or two) of wine in and at least you’ve got an excuse to drink it 👍🏼
Majestic
Putting a drain on my Naked Wine reserves, on a brighter note new order this Thursday👍👏👏🍸🍸🍸🍸
Well, at least Scotland are hard working.
And some of them look like they enjoy a fight eg
Come ahead Considine
Oddball (from carry on screaming) O’Donnel
Mad mental John McGinn
Psycho Paterson
Anger management McBurnie
Screw loose Dykes
Celtic and Scotland and EKFC. In that order. Slight positive feelings towards (in no particular order) Dundee Utd, Hibs, West Brom, Grimsby, ABE, oh and whoever ae playing Triggers broom FC.
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