It’s all politics. Not actual politics, in the strict definition of the word, but clubs’ dealings with the SPFL and SFA is mostly about politically manoeuvring in the direction to win your argument.
Experienced political operators will tell you not to fight the same people on too many points; pick the important areas to win and take a few defeats on the chin. Box the SPFL into a corner by not charging season ticket holders for entry into play-off matches, and you’re onto a sure win. But all SPFL clubs are members of the SFA.
They all like being given their place. If I wanted something important from the SFA, like exemption from the rule prohibiting directors of a liquidated club from subsequently becoming a club director, I’d concentrate on that and ask politely for permission to let season ticket holders into games.
But I realise there are different types of political animal. The consensus political animal is effective in certain times, then there are those who have a self-righteous tone to rules. It’s their way or the highway. To paraphrase Bob Shankly, pure, athletic, Thatcherism. Britain wasn’t ready for Thatcherism 30 years ago. She won in 1979 and lost lots of votes second time around in ’83, but the Labour vote split. The 80s were lean. For some.
Scottish football is in for a period where a self-righteous entity will muster its forces. The media coverage will reflect what we saw in politics in the 80s. The consensus operators must stand firm and unite.
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The Battered Bunnet
14:37 on 30 April, 2015
‘ernie
“Better off” depends entirely on your definition of wealth.’
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So should we have FFA within the same timescale as we were going to have independence ie 18months or so?
If not, why not?
And does it mean we (ie Scotland because that’s how the nats want us to think of matters, the notion of class conflict doesn’t exist for a nat) be better off or worse off?
All this arguing about politics, wow!! Don’t people realise that you can always tell when a politician is lying by the fact his lips are moving. Always always , jam tomorrow.
Pity Screamin’ Lord Sutch wasn;t about.He knew al about it, did he not.??
Off oot to watch the grass grow
KINGLubO
PS KOJO, if you’re about let us know you’re still laughin’!!
re ‘cobbling together’
A government in the UK requires Commons support from a minimum of 326 MPs.
From what I can gather, given current projections, the Conservatives will not be able to achieve this without the support of the Labour party.
Ultimately, it remains to be seen how the seats divide between the various parties, but the indications right now are, that if there’s a Tory govt after the election, it will be there only with Labour support.
Which seems somewhat unlikely.
If Celtic can somehow persuade young Jason and big Virgil, the future at Celtic is bright, then maybe just they may sign a long term deal. maybe just. Wouldn’t it be nice??
KINGLuBo
bawsman
14:43 on 30 April, 2015
Defeat Nationalism oh dear!
So you’re a Unionist then ?
delaneys dunky
14:41 on 30 April, 2015
BMCUW
He mentioned a club south of you, that were interested. :)
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Marseilles!
I hope to see him in the Hoops one day.
Bobbio’s correct Left fitters are precious and sought after.
HH jamesgang
It is quite astounding the amount of British Unionists on here. Probably giving it laldy with the rebs on their bus night out.
Each to their own I suppose.
Above post of course assumes that the SNP will not support a Tory Queen’s Speech, which seems a safe bet given what’s been said recently.
Ghuys n ghals
A mhate has 2 adult tickets for tomorrow he can’t use.
Any good to anyone?
HH jamesgang
Bawsman hello again! I think it is a myth that scotland is conservative.
From 10,00 troops and tanks sent to george square to crush a would be socialist revolution in 1919, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_George_Square
to the country returning a socialist vote in the vast majority of elections, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Scotland#1945
massive trade union membership, to the SSP gaining massive traction only halted by a sex scandal, it would be fairer to say Scotland is a demonstrably hard left socialist, and awaiting a party that meets it’s aspirations.
I am open to being corrected
I hope ole Man City think Jason Denayer is too short to be a centre back.
Herbo
15:04 on
30 April, 2015
It is quite astounding the amount of British Unionists on here. Probably giving it laldy with the rebs on their bus night out.
Each to their own I suppose.
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I’m not a seperatist, I firmly believe strength in (European as well as UK) unity.My preference is for a socialist republic and less borders not more, what’s your problem with that?
coolmore mafia
15:07 on
30 April, 2015
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Where’s the leaders mate?
ernie,
I try to answer your questions as best I can, but unless you tell me what your definition of “better off” is, I’m stumped I’m afraid.
If you want answers on policy though, I suggest you ask them of a member or official of any party who promotes such an approach. I can’t help you there.
Meantime, best not to attempt to draw inference when there’s no corollary implication. It comes over a little obtusely, and if I may say so, seems somewhat rude.
Cracker Leftclicktic!
My picture is a wee bit better though as it shows two of the walking dead actually dandering into the doomed shop.
Too little too late I was thinking when I took the photo.
Nickel and dime merchants.
Laters.
HH.
So, the 3 bears have weighed in for this months wages, secured against season ticket money, I wonder where they got that idea from ?
What happens next month, the month after etc, cos the max they will bring in is say 12 mill, more than half gone straight away, close season upon us, a new team to source, wonderful stuff.
Aff oot to the shops, major holibobs here the morra, everything shut.
HH
My friends in Celtic,
The one constant and sure thing we will wake up to next Friday is that we will still be Celtic supporters. Apart from death and taxation, everythingi else is variable.
There are two main reasons imo that make politics and football ( particularly Celtic ) intertwined.
1) A heavy vote for the nationalists will make it that much more difficult to leave the anti Celtic cesspit that is the Scottish football establishments.
2) When I see Celtic supporters collecting for food banks I cannot fathom why the SNP government have a £440m underspend from last year. We talk about austerity cuts and we deprive the poorest of £444m. No wonder the Sun is backing both the Snp and the Tories.To me it’s two sides of the same coin.
HH.
TBB
But Ernie told us that the SNP want a Tory gov. So if they vote against the speech then that means they dont..
That cant be right.
Or does that mean………..
Warning. Football (Non Celtic) Post
From BBC
Queen of the South will charge for Premiership play-offs
Queen of the South will charge season ticket holders for the Scottish Premiership play-offs – unlike some of their potential opponents.
Rangers revealed plans on Tuesday to allow season ticket holders in for free after Motherwell insisted they would do the same should they be involved.
Hibernian could follow suit.
“Our season ticket is deliberately priced so that it allows entry to 18 league games at the cost of 16 games,” said a Queens statement.
A Scottish Professional Football League levy means that 50% of gate receipts go to clubs not involved in the play-offs.
Hibs, who allowed season ticket holders in for free last season despite those guidelines, last week failed in a bid to half the gate receipts levy to 25% cent in a compromise resolution.
“We are conscious of the debate between some of our play-off rivals and the SPFL regarding whether or not season ticket holders will be given free or cheaper access to these games,” added Queens.
“Notwithstanding what may or may not be decided by the league in this respect, we have always expected that our season ticket holders would pay for the play-off games – as they did last season and as they have for any cup match – and budgeted our costs on that basis.
Bawsman
No problem with that at all. I agree. The problem with the Union of Britain is it is not progressive, as I believe your goal would be. Monarchism, and Westminster first past the post is draconian. I’m my view that will never change in a British union.
Indeed, it is my view that the SNP were not going to deliver independence. What they were offering was dominion status.
However, I’ve seen some unionist rhetoric that surprises me.
BGX 1442
There are a few people on here who might like to cannonise you. My Papa was tied to the gunwheel three times in the first war,despite running the rations at the time.
Not pleasant by his recollection.
I respect your right to have an opinion,and to express it. Sadly,you deny that to others too often by your reply. As such it is little wonder that you are held in low regard.
Still,life’s a learning curve,in not?
James
If Marseilles, I am quitting my job to move to France and fulfill my Godfather duties. Chaffeuer, chaperone and minder. ;))
Afternoon all.
That’s the hospital behind me for another wee while. Thanks for your concern.
HT, please thank your children for their prayers. Much appreciated.
James
I am sure KITALBA is ticketless. He is going to BV.
Clink\o/
Beats me.
HERBO. 1504
I’m not a unionist. I want the best for everyone.
In over thirty years of voting,I’ve never once voted self-interest. My Dad warned me not to.
I’ve abstained sometimes too,held my nose.
There’s a helluva lot of precious people on here-not you,don’t know you well enough,but chances are I will in the Autumn,I hope-putting the boot in for various reasons. Most of us on here,this middle-class drinking club,as someone once described it,don’t have to worry too much.
And the disenfranchised poor will be awright anaw cos the Tories are gonna make sure you get training for a new non-existent job and have your benefits slashed.
Magic.
I’m glad my niece and nephew have an opportunity at their ages to make a new life. I wouldnae fancy it here much in future.
BGX I am uninterested in your view. You call me hun like then blindly stick to a line that says you didn’t call me a hun. Stop pansying around trying to think you are clever. You aren’t. And you aren’t worthy of anyone’s time.
Herbo it surprises me how many people there are willing to get into bed with the racists who run scotland.
NEGANON
Surprised?
I’m f…..g astounded!
Cot and offski.
Bobby I am slightly terrified for my girls here. I made an okay life, but I have never experienced such inept leaders and politicians. The atmosphere in Scotland is rancid. Full of racism and contempt for the poor and a police force utterly out of control. It’s becoming one of the most illiberal places to live in the west.
Bmcw…Held in Low Regard by Whom? You?..Strangers on an internet Site..Jeez…Think i Can Live with That…Bless…
Neganon2…ok .Saying A post is hunlike and calling somone a hun is Two different things…So lets leave it at That…Scroll past and Ignore my posts…i will gladly reciprocate…
The Battered Bunnet
15:11 on 30 April, 2015
As I thought.
BMCUW
I certainly understand your final point. I worry about my child growing up and what opportunities will be there for him.
I’m certainly not here to fall out with anyone. I’ve had enough of all that online nonsense. I’m just joining in I suppose and giving my views. I don’t expect everyone, or indeed anyone to agree with them.
I do believe that the Union is a busted flush. Real change is needed in many aspects of ‘British’ society. The main Westminster parties really don’t have the appetite for the changes that are needed.
I voted tactically for the SNP in 2011 in the promise of a referendum. They failed in the referendum and gave us Stephen House and the OBA. Never again. I’ll probably vote Green as it stands at the moment.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing…
coolmore mafia
15:07 on 30 April, 2015
‘I am open to being corrected’
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I think it would be more accurate to say that you’re open to being sectioned if you believe Scotland is a hard left country.
‘Any notion that an independent Scotland would be a left wing country is delusional nonsense’.
Geez Ernie, I’m not telepathic either. What did you think?
jamesgang
I’m sure Kitalba would appreciate it.
Celtic Football Club@celticfc · 38s 38 seconds ago
FULL TIME: Celtic 0 – 0 Falkirk.
Celtic controlled most of the second half but couldn’t find a way past Bowman who earns the home team a share of the points