Pursuit of Celtic in January was a sham

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24 hours on and not a whisper from the Scottish Government, their Senior Clinical Advisor or their principle academic media backer on dropping all of the sanctions imposed when Celtic were the target, when the issue at stake is not the Scottish Premiership but Euro 2020 progress.

The whole of Europe knows Billy Gilmour spent time in enclosed spaces with much if not all of the Scotland squad, any other explanation is not even remotely possible, he was photographed with Steve Clarke’s head touching his, Clarke’s hands clasped on his jaw.  I heard what happened when results arrived for Celtic’s Dubai Test and Trace.  Where is the vigour to pursue athletes who do not represent Celtic, Ms Sturgeon?  Either this is a sham or the Government’s pursuit of Celtic in January was.

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  1. Okay, we’re oot. Now let’s get back to what we excel at, watching major tournaments without involvement, por cierto.

  2. Having a quick morning perusal, as you do, of the various Celtic sites and I found the background picture on Sentinel Celts both upsetting and uplifting at the same time.

     

     

    There they were, posing for a picture before a game, Bobo, Mjallby, Sutton, Big Rab, Agathe, Stan Petrov, Lennie, Valgaren, Thommo, The King and Lambert. Must have scared the crap out of some teams just watching those guys warm up.

     

     

    Those were guys who could play with/against the best, hold their own anywhere and were real, real characters on the park. No one and I mean no one messed with that lot!

     

     

    Just 20 years ago those were the players we were watching at Celtic Park!! Every single one of them would walk in to the current team, big Rab included. Will we ever see their like again?

  3. Gene

     

    What sliderule passes he makes with that sweet left peg of his.

     

     

    Great to hear Ange reaching out to another great left footer Leigh Griffiths…..

     

     

    All aboard !!

  4. prestonpans bhoys on

    POR CIERTO on 23RD JUNE 2021 1:31 AM

     

    Can someone explain to me why the officials were all Argentinian tonight, thought this was the Euros. It’s not as if they’re not needed in South America as Copa America is in full flow, por cierto.

     

     

    That’s exactly what I thought too and their travel expenses must be a belter. Ross the Tory hun will be envious😱😵

  5. Skillfull players like wee Jamesie and Turnbull become bargaining chips to be used within the corridors of Blazerdom.

     

     

    Why did that big covid lump o’ wid get game time, if not to satisfy the knuckle-draggers?

     

     

    Hampden’s partiality for the next hun wunderkind is what dutches the credibility of any of their activities.

     

     

    Until Scotland grasps the nettle and ditches the jaggy bunnets we’ll just be pantomine set dressing for the lesser competitions.

  6. Have the board made a statement yet?

     

     

    Or are they all bending over with their trousers down?

     

     

    As usual.

  7. …and that “No Scotland No Party” line is gash………………..imo……………….

     

     

    Is that all we’re about?

     

     

    Perhaps I’m just an old fart but teams used to fear Scotland, The Tartan army’s gone a wee bit Balamory for my liking.

  8. I don’t believe Forrest or Turnbull would have made the slightest bit of difference to Scotland’s results.

  9. AN TEARMANN on 22ND JUNE 2021 7:19 PM

     

     

    Thank you for your considered response.

     

    I really can’t understand why a Celtic supporting group would deliberately want to weaken and destabilise Celtic at such a crucial time.

     

     

    Aside that, I really hope to see Leigh Griffiths in the hoops regularly next season. Who scores goals better in all things Scottish football?

     

     

    HH.

  10. celticforever on

    just went from supporting 1 team at the euros (Scotland)

     

    to 15 teams (anyone but England)

  11. Having watched Scotlands 3 games, we dodged a bullet with Steve Clarke.

     

     

    Playing Sam Allardyce type football.

  12. I loved the togetherness that Scotland forged for the Euros. Seeing football and non football people all cheering and enjoying the occasion.

     

    It lit up a nation still reeling from the Covid 19 restrictions

     

    The party was magic, and the boogie engulfed the pubs and clubs.

     

     

    I will miss the party.

  13. POR CIERTO on 23RD JUNE 2021 1:31 AM

     

    ‘Can someone explain to me why the officials were all Argentinian tonight, thought this was the Euros. It’s not as if they’re not needed in South America as Copa America is in full flow, por cierto.’

     

     

     

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    ‘In addition, as part of an exchange programme within the framework of the cooperation agreement between UEFA and the South American Football Confederation CONMEBOL, for the first time ever a South American referee will join the European group of referees and a European will travel to South America. Argentinian referee Fernando Rapallini and his assistants will join the selected European referees for EURO 2020, while a Spanish refereeing team led by Jesús Gil Manzano will be part of the selected CONMEBOL referees for the Copa América 2021 in Argentina and Colombia.’

     

     

     

     

    https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/mediareleases/news/0268-12182cf1475f-825d23faf300-1000–referee-teams-for-uefa-euro-2020-appointed/

     

     

     

    The concept of an exchange programmes for referees is to be welcomed.

  14. GREENPINATA on 23RD JUNE 2021 11:09 AM

     

    AN TEARMANN on 22ND JUNE 2021 7:19 PM

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ‘I can’t understand why a Celtic supporting group would deliberately want to weaken and destabilise Celtic at such a crucial time.’

     

     

     

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    This is ‘such a crucial time’ because of the (at best) incompetence of the Board or (at worst) deliberate actions of the Board.

     

     

    What leverage do fans have other than to withhold funds?

  15. GREENPINATA on 23RD JUNE 2021 11:09 AM

     

    AN TEARMANN on 22ND JUNE 2021 7:19 PM

     

     

     

    I really can’t understand why a Celtic supporting group would deliberately want to weaken and destabilise Celtic at such a crucial time.

     

     

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    Some will direct that statement at supporters, others at the board. Truth is both need each other and should be doing all they can to kiss and make up.

  16. squire danaher on

    ERNIE LYNCH on 23RD JUNE 2021 11:39 AM

     

     

    Thanks for that info, I had wondered the same thing.

     

     

    I thought the Argy officials did very well last night and handled the game well.

  17. 31003 @ 1:36 am

     

     

    “At youth level I seen it first hand. While working the first 2 youth coaching badges it was their way or fail. I tried in my way to introduce forward thinking for the players, ie, if you think you can do something that will be positive, out with what I’m instructed to tell you, go for it.

     

     

    That was a BIG no no

     

     

    Heaven forbid if a player plays out with the system.”

     

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    Your experience differs greatly from mine. The whole ethos of the SFA Coaching for Kids is to encourage them to have plenty of touches and a chance to develop whatever football skills they may have. That is why they de-emphasise competition (score goes back to 0:0 if a team goes 5 clear), playing a starting 5 or 7 (they discourage 11 a side for youngsters as the good players hog the ball), not using full size pitches (favours the bigger boys), rotating players (so everyone gets a game and a chance) and generally allowing an inclusive experience to encourage more to play the game.

     

     

    That is the SFA philosophy as it is printed and as it is taught by all its trained coaches.

     

     

    You may have gone on further than me to work with teenage players ( I stopped working with over 12s because , frankly they needed better coaches than me) so I bow to your experience there. But I have never seen an SFA coaching manual that said the system is all and no one was allowed individual expression and I have never heard an SFA coach address trainee coaches with anything like those kinds of sentiments. I did hear some say that when you set up a drill to teach a specific skill or approach, you should stick to the rules set i.e. if you say every player must touch the ball with their “unfavoured” foot for the next 5 minutes, then you do not allow the creativity of cheating and playing with your favoured foot. But, once you break out beyond drills, to do game simulations or “competitive” matches, the emphasis was always on individual skill and not systems and above all, encouragement.

     

     

    There were two things, however that got in hte way of the SFA approach to trying to get more kids playing for longer and rstrict the trend to foucing on identifying elite plyers earlier and earlier, concentrating on them and ignoring late developers.

     

     

    The first was the budding Mourinhos and Championship Managers amongst the parents who attended the courses and just paid lip service to the philosophy in order to get their coaching certificates. They told me that all this non-competitive stuff was guff and they would play their best players and try to win their matches rather than develop youth because then more good players will come to their clubs. A lot of them were typical pushy parents trying to re-live their failed football experience through the kids in their charge and many should never have been let near a kids’s set up because they were angry inadequates who would destroy a kid’s fragile confidence.

     

     

    The second problem we faced was the “semi pro” Youth system whereby clubs like Celtic and Aberdeen and even Queens Park were scouting and selecting boys at age 8 and upwards and inviting them to a series of short term coaching sessions to evaluate their potential for joining their elite set up. They would often invite 30 or 40 boys for a series of weekly coaching sessions over a month, select 3 or 4 of the best to be nvited to continue with them and send the rest back to the Development Clubs they came from. Even though the Clubs themselves never called them “trials” that is how the boys involved saw them. We had a successful group of age teams in the East End of Glasgow. We were invited along to play against the Semi-pro teams and lost every match, though we ran Queens Park close, but we saw a steady stream of our young players selected for these coaching camps, and then being “rejected”, as they saw it, by the big leagues and saw returning to their previous club as a climb down and an embarrasment. We lost a lot of talent with boys giving up the game because they felt they did not “make it” at age 9 or 10, when , in truth, the world was still all ahead of them. It is a brutal system and I don’t know if, in the last 15 years it has got any better. I have been out of that world for that long.

     

     

    The biggest gap in developing players in Scotland remains money and facilities to play. That is true of all sports. Many amateur Sports found recruiting young players into their sport was hanpered by the cost of hiring pitches and halls and purchasing the equipment so everyone had a ball toplay with for individual drills and to keep that going over a series of age group teams , dependant upon the same 3 or 4 hard working amateur parents to keep the whole set up afloat.

     

     

    It is a sad truth that there are fewer youngsters playing, rather than dabbling occasionally, in sports, including football, than there were back in the 60s and 70s when we had no coaches but plenty od spare ground. The first pitch our Youth Team ever used had to be given up for 3 weekends every summer for a Dog Show, I kid you not.

     

     

    I hav nothing but admiration for the intent behind Youth Football but the practice and implementation leaves a lot to be desired. My Coaching Supervisors were Jim Chapman and Tommy McIntyre, now at Celtic. Both of them were excellent in their methods and their management of budding coaches. One of the guys who did his badges with me was Frankie McAvoy, currently Preston manager. Now I could set up a drill and run a session as well as he could but when it came to intervening with kids to teach tthem better technique, he was streets ahead of me because he was a much better footballer and understood what it took to control a ball better. He shortly afterwards got a Youth job at Hamilton and Alex Neil took him down to Norwich and Preston with him. When Alex was let go by Preston they promoted Frankie to the job

     

     

     

     

    There were,

  18. Bhoys,

     

     

    ” Such a crucial time” can be interpreted in many ways.

     

     

    It can relate to the fact that all Celtic’s money in the bank has now been eaten up.

     

     

    It can also mean building a completely new team.

     

     

    It can also mean no Peter Lawwell to navigate our finances.

     

     

    It can directly relate to those amongst us who have suffered mentally or physically during lockdown and looking forward with hope for a brighter future.

     

     

    HH to all.

  19. garygillespieshamstring on

    SFTB

     

     

    99% of what you say mirrors my experience of the SFA coach education system and the influence of the “pro youth” set up. I would extend that criticism further to include the pro youth sides stipulating that boys who were involved with them at secondary school age were not allowed to play for their school team. This was at the same time (early 2000s) as SFA representatives were still blaming the teachers’ strikes of the 1980s for the failures of Scottish international and club sides in non-domestic competition.

     

     

    I thought Tommy McIntyre was excellent and a wee guy Stuart was also good.

     

     

    I was less impressed with Chapman as his choice of language was appalling and didn’t, in my opinion, reflect the way you would want coaches to behave when working with children.

  20. prestonpans bhoys on

    ERNIE LYNCH on 23RD JUNE 2021 11:39 AM

     

     

    Thanks that explains it, perhaps they can do it with Scottish refs but make it permanent!

  21. SFTB

     

     

    Like you I gave up at over 12s football.

     

    As you say, there were better coaches than me out there.

     

     

    I was pulled aside by an SFA instructor when he heard me ask 1 kid who his favourite footballer was. When he told me I told him to try and emulate him. I told him not to be scared to try different things.

     

    At that I was told in no uncertain terms that the kids are not to be encouraged to try different things but to teach them the basics only.

     

    Put a bit of a dampener on it for me then

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