You wonder if Ally McCoist rues the day he called for the public outing of members of the SFA Judicial Panel which imposed a player registration ban on his club. One judge, one journalist and one football club, Raith Rovers, were soon outed. Crossing the Fifers was a mistake.
Raith Rovers are now pointing out the same facts we have discussed here for months:
“We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and/or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull/strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco.
“Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out.”
In short, Sevco’s ownership of Ibrox may be nullified by the courts and the SFA will be forced to subvert judicial oversight if it wants to guarantee Sevco participate in football next season.
While these concerns were only expressed online, the SFA were able to ignore the issue, but with Raith Rovers asking the questions Mr Regan will have to look SFL clubs in the eye and tell them what he’s going to do with Lord Carloway.
Lurgan 53
Dwyer O’Hagan, or Lurgan 53 as he was known here, passed away on Wednesday after an illness stretching back to last year. Dwyer enjoyed our triumphs and defeats on the blog for many years and will be sadly missed by us all. Our condolences to his family and friends.
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(i) That the Scottish Football League Members agree to admit Sevco Scotland Limited as an Associate Member and agrees to permit Rangers F.C. to play in the League during Season 2012/13.
this would then allow newco to apply alongside spartans etc… essentially my reading is that this is the no vote, am i wrong?
stephbhoy,
I couldn’t agree more. Let’s hope thems’ demise will see a change of football philosophy and emphasis will be put on skill and technical ability rather than running power. To me, Hearts are primarily to blame for this since they had great “success” with this in the 86 season, when we beat them to the title on the very last day (and almost in the very last minute).
ElDiegoBhoy on 7 July, 2012 at 16:33 said:
Why are these two Englishmen behaving in this way? What’s in it for them? You could understand if it was a couple of dyed in the wool supporters of the deid club.
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Just reading between the lines, I get the idea that they are on target related bonuses. If they get turnover to a certain value, they get cash in pocket. If losing Rangers cuts League turnover by £16m but also reduce costs by the same, none of the clubs lose out. Only the man at the top misses out on his cream
Sorry to hear about the death of Lurgan 53. Always enjoyed his contributions to CQN.
Silver City 1888
Don’t kid yourself – if Doncaster wasn’t acting with the tacit agreement of the SPL clubs the he would be out of a job by now.
Paul67,
The Raith Rovers statement indeed does ask some fundamental questions i suspect the “Reganator” man of “Reganomics” would rather not address.
I can see a legal challenge by a number of SFL clubs (Raith, Livingstone, Dundee/Dunfermline) if Zombie FC are shoe horned into SFL1.
This should have been his immediate priorities before any attempts to get Zombie FC playing anywhere next season;
Reconvene the appellate tribunal ASAP, let them apply the sanctions that by the rules they have to apply (suspension or throw them out).
Expedite the SPL inquiry as a matter of urgency into the EBT cheating, pass judgement and apply punishment, hear any appeal that may arise.
Ask the question legally if the asset purchase is binding.
Only when these fundamental questions are answered and dealt with will Scottish Football be able to move forward, that is unless they have decided to sweep it all under the carpet at Hampden Park.
What a mess….
gebhoy
petec on 7 July, 2012 at 16:40 said:
My favourite night was when Dave Angel took his own unique brand of intelligent techno in there. The crowd didn’t know if it was New Year or New Yorker. :))
Dave Angel !
I remember him taking the 1210 decks apart to speed them up!!
Clever DJ
Source Alex Thomson’s blog:
(ii) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13…
My interpretation of the above is that the member Clubs are asked to direct the ‘The Board to admit the dead club into Division Three but if ‘The Board’ get what they are looking for ‘The Board’ will allow them into Division One.
In my opinion the member Clubs would need to be in receipt of the full facts i.e. what ‘The Board’ to perceive to be an acceptable package in order for them to allow dead club into Division One. If the member clubs having been given the full facts do not agree that the package is good enough, it is simple in my view is that the member clubs do not direct ‘The Board’ in this resolution i.e. allow dad club into Division Three. I believe that is the stance Raith Rovers have taken.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
I’m always disappointed that some people on a site like this always seem to blame Celtic for every ill, and seek to have us damage our own club, who have done no wrong, due to some tiresome conspiracy theories. Celtic are not, and never have been, guilty of tax avoidance, match fixing, or subverting football authorities. And I’m proud of that.
Hail Hail!
hankray on 7 July, 2012 at 17:19 said:
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It’s all over the blogosphere…….
So who makes up the SFL board?
If they put them in Div1 it will seriously compromise the future of many clubs and split their supporters ….disaster! Turning fan v fan when the opportunity is there for progress .
RFC(IL)/Sevco will benefit as at a time when we should be moving on and they should be stranded they will relatively quickly catch back up on us as it will create a rift among our supporters regarding attending matches.
Not unexpected but really disappointing if this gets through.
HH
JP
stevebhoy
Good post mate!
I have my suspicions about a number of regular posters on here.
I love Celtic!
FANTASMA….. 1653
Excellent summary of the difference between the OO-oriented West,and more civilised parts,
You should send that to all the national papers;I’m quite sure they would love to investigate further.
At least,that would be the case in any other country,I suppose.
In some respects, Doncasters actions are more understandable, driven by his masters wishes and his own bonus.
Regan and Ogilvie are truly shocking – they have a wider responsibility for the integrity of the game in Scotland. I can only assume that Scottish and UK governments are guiding their hand – what else can explain the 180 degree turn by the SFA with respect to the independent panel verdict and the fact that inevitable future issues with regard to EBT’s etc. are being conveniently ignored?
I suspect that the Div 1 membership also comes with an amnesty???
stephbhoy on 7 July, 2012 at 17:05
Good comment and I agree with you.
Getting into the Celtic Academy is very hard to do no matter what the physical attributes. To be fair the community coaching is definitely geared towards the technical side of things from very young ages all the way through, Scottish kids have to develop the techniques all across the board and not just at professional clubs. I am sure Celtic will share all of their vast knowledge with all of the clubs to help transform the game in this country.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 7 July, 2012 at 17:07
That disnae sound like you at all :))
I believe you because you are now a wise old chap and we all, especially me, done stupid things when younger.
It’s simple: let Sevco in and place them in division three. But let the Board promote them by two divisions if they get a big enough bribe.
They’ve given up on secret corruption and are now trying a far more open approach. If the SPL wants Sevco in division one it will have to pay up.
Why does the document mention Sevco Scotland Ltd (correct) then say Rangers FC, when they don’t exist, Sevco haven’t bought Rangers FC name??
ParkheadcumsalfordwhoisNeilLennonand PaulMcBrideandTrishGodman on 7
that does not happen often, so i’ll blame hearts fc, even though the rest bought into the ugly game
Lennybhoy ….. Just realised that, if sevco are parachuted into Div1, the top teams in Div 2 & 3 will lose out on promotion …. That cannot be allowed, and I am confident the other Clubs in the SFL will not allow that to happen ……… Surely…..!!!!!
Just when I thought we might have a couple of days repite from the fandango and along comes AT’s exposé in stark outline that the masonic tendency will stop at nothing to have their bigoted outfit get preferential treatment…..as usual.
Will the rain not just wash them away? Please.
:-(
Philbhoy – It’s just the beginning! on 7 July, 2012 at 17:32 said:
Cheers, mate. I try to scroll on by, but sometimes, they get on my goat.
RIP Lurgan53. Condolences to his family and friends and all those who knew him through CQN.
It’s astonishing that a world famous football club like Glasgow Rangers was allowed sink into the mire through corruption and dodgy business incompetence. What happens the 47,000 spectators who fill Ibrox every other week?
I cannot see Celtic having it all their own way in the SPL despite Rangers demise.
If the first proposal is rejected then it matters not a jot what happens, all following proposals are rejected too.
proposal 1 is a change in the rules and requires 66%
Paul67 et al
The reference to Rangers FC should render everything in these proposals thoroughly redundant. Rangers FC still exists as an entity, albeit not one being addressed by either the SPL or the SFA. I can see real strength in the position adopted by Raith Rovers. Address the outstanding issues first, before any consideration as to whether or where, or indeed when, Sevco (if properly constituted as a Football Club) can be admitted to the SFL.
STEPHBHOY 1705
My sister told me that was the case about 2005.
I couldnae believe that a nation of tanner ba’ players were being converted into a nation of hammer-throwers,but she was right,as you are right.
Bad enough dragging them away from their Playstations,but they have to be giants?
Most of the big guys when I was at primary stopped growing(relatively) when they hit puberty. Kids should be judged on ability.
ESPECIALLY at Celtic,consider how tall Jinky and Henrik weren’t.
hankray on 7 July, 2012 at 17:40 said:
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stevebhoy
Supporters, REAL supporters need to stand shoulder to shoulder with Celtic Football Club.
The Management, the players, the staff, the board AND the supporters!
We need to be together right now, probably more so now than at any time in our history, apart from Fergus’s rescue.
Most importantly, we need to trust each other!
We also need to be positive.
We need to support Celtic!
No doubting Thomas’s!!!!!
petec on 7 July, 2012 at 17:34 said:
you do need to be at a good level to get into the celtic academy, but let me tell you a story, when my boy was there, there was a parent’s meeting called and tommy burns RIP was giving a presentation about progress through the system and the way training developed and at each level it showed emphasis being placed on technical ability training and physical training on a pyramid system and by the time the boys reach 18 or so the technical side was about 20% while the physical side was 80%, it was almost the reverse to age 11/12 year olds. i did not and do not agree with that. we also happen to offer english/ irish boys 3 year deals while offering scottish/ local boys 2 year deals when they are 16, which is the reason the boy wilde went to rangers.
wee james forrest was always a good player, but did not get offered a contact with celtic until he was 16 1/2 while others with less ability got offered deals of 2/3 years. his ability was never in question, his other atributes were. sometimes academy coaches need to focus on ability first then physical stuff will come and can be developed. high should not be a deciding factor when talking about footballers, afterall they are not playing basketball or airball.
there’s a change of mindset needed.
Palacio67 on 7 July, 2012 at 17:44 said:
Ignore and show no encouragement :-)
oh joy of joys..
the bigots of G72 have returned….
I dont normally do this, but my ten year old is online playing FIFA. He just came up against somebody who chose to wear the colours of a now defunct club from Govan, and they played in the same manner! I couldn’t help bribing, threatening, cheering and screaming at my son to win the game. He did. Now I suppose I have to reward him so he won’t report me to the boss…
;)
So get it’s …..get the SFL to vote them in , The SFA then give them a license (!!!) and the SFL “board” takes the bribe and puts them in Div 1 , 1000’s of real football “hand in their pocket” football fans enraged and lost to the game for the forseeable! and their clubs damaged, possibly fatally.
Meanwhile “The r*****s c recover now having their revenue streams returned ,using same stadium ,playing in the same strip , same badge etc .
Supporters and creditors shafted ….
It might take them a few years but their reincarnation could be back soon and their going to seriously damage our game to get them there!
HH
Palacio67 on 7 July, 2012 at 17:44 said:
That’s what I thought also …..LOL
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 7 July, 2012 at 17:43 said:
most people who have had kids going through the youth system in scotland will know that is the facts and is generally the reason we get results at 14/ 15 but fall on our arse by first team level.
alex thomson@alextomo
RANGERS TOMOBLOG http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons- …
Philboy,
I agree 100%. And hopefully, it is just the beginning!
Hail Hail!
rip lurgan53
MM : how’s the 3 weeks in the sun going?
visited the camp nou yesterday, teenager wearing a rfcia top looking in the cabinet with the 4 CL trophies……says i to him : doesn’t matter how hard u look son, they’re not on it. Childish, but made made me and my bhoy giggle.