You wonder if Ally McCoist rues the day he called for the public outing of members of the SFA Judicial Panel which imposed a player registration ban on his club. One judge, one journalist and one football club, Raith Rovers, were soon outed. Crossing the Fifers was a mistake.
Raith Rovers are now pointing out the same facts we have discussed here for months:
“We are also concerned that there has not as yet been an opportunity for clubs to receive legal advice from the SFL and/or debate the potential consequences on the smooth running of our league in the event that the Courts are asked to annull/strike down any of the corporate transactions that have led to the current position of Sevco Scotland Ltd as owners of certain assets of the Rangers oldco.
“Indeed, the position as regards the potential sanctions to be applied by the Scottish FA via its Appellate Tribunal has also still to be bottomed out.”
In short, Sevco’s ownership of Ibrox may be nullified by the courts and the SFA will be forced to subvert judicial oversight if it wants to guarantee Sevco participate in football next season.
While these concerns were only expressed online, the SFA were able to ignore the issue, but with Raith Rovers asking the questions Mr Regan will have to look SFL clubs in the eye and tell them what he’s going to do with Lord Carloway.
Lurgan 53
Dwyer O’Hagan, or Lurgan 53 as he was known here, passed away on Wednesday after an illness stretching back to last year. Dwyer enjoyed our triumphs and defeats on the blog for many years and will be sadly missed by us all. Our condolences to his family and friends.
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Free beanfeast @ the sfl meeting?! Jabba’ll be crashin’ it like a hippo with the munchies….
RIP Lurgan53
Long may FPLG manage rangers. He has done as much damage to rangers on and off the park as Craig Whyte.
This weather is murder, my tan will fade within days…
Philbhoy,
The only people who will effect any change in Scottish football are the supporters – and that is the supporters of all clubs excluding Sevco.
Only the threat of reduced season tickets brought the SPL into line – they were faced with a financial alternative worse than life without Rangers.
However, notice how Doncaster is still in position despite calls by many on this site (including Paul 67) for his removal and/or confidence votes – cue tumbleweed.
Similarly both Ogilvie and Regan by their actions and words should have been in resignation positions by now – but still they sit tight and tough it out.
Only supporter power will effect change – and that might involve a few more financial threats…
Hankray (or is it Hankie)
I thought FF was being closed down once the Liquidators take over ….. Have they done it early ..??
Probably just me,but in AT’s blog there is a reference to SEVCO and also to RANGERS FC
Not being pedantic,but I didnae notice an AKA,if you see what I mean.
I genuinely believe that document-in it’s current form-would be torn to shreds by anyone with a brain.
Or an agenda.
Or a sense of right and wrong.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on 7 July, 2012 at 17:35:
Exactly mate and all is not lost, the next challenge has been laid down.
There needs to be a concentrated effort in highlighting this to the Chairman/Directors of the SFL Clubs. That they CAN control the outcome and that “…the vote that never was” as predicted by Alex in reality becomes the vote that is made to tell ‘The Board’ (SFL Board) that they will not be bullied and that the dead club will be treated the same as Clubs that have gone before them e.g. Livingston. No special treatment, they were kicked out of the SPL for their years of cheating, if resolution (i) is passed to allow them into the SFL then resolution (ii) MUST not be passed, if this is defeated they will HAVE to start in Division Three. It really is that simple. We must get it out there, SFL Clubs vote no to resolution (ii) and they are in Division three.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
stephbhoy,
Again, I agree. My hope is that next season might see a return to teams playing football, as it should be.
Do Celtic have a position on whether the sevco huns should be allowed into division 1?
Or have they now washed their hands of the matter?
stephbhoy on 7 July, 2012 at 17:46
Thank You for the very informed insight, I appreciate it.
Talking about young James, I feel he will have an even better season this year. James was sensational last season and he is the type of player we have to nurture through continuously. I am a big fan of Victor and Beram and I know Beram will drive Celtic on superbly well this season but for me, James will be the real star of Celtic this coming season and, if I am right, we should all be very proud of Celtic’s youth system.
AAfter eading tha tim’s post earlier, should that document be sent to the trading standars authority for comment as it is as he says tantamount to supporting fraud
Meanwhile on RM their busy factoring in black and beattie(once embargo is squashed!) into what remains of their squad (no laughing) and being smug about getting put in Div1 because Scottish football can’t survive without them!
Geezo!
HH
JP
alex thomson@alextomo
Please don’t worry – am onto FIFA and UEFA but these guys, well, they have weekends etc
pedrocaravanachio67 on 7 July, 2012 at 17:51 said:
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I remember when me and my Bhoy done the tour of the Nou Camp in 2004 just after the king signed for them, could’nt help but notice how friendly the staff were, right down to the security guards. The two of us were decked out in the full hoops kit.
Cannot forget the look on the girls face when I bought my son the Barca top and asked her put Larsson on it, apparantly the staff were discussing that they had run out of the letter ‘s’ and they were hoping the customers asked for Eto and Deco. Anyway the girl had to go somewhere to pick up more letters, must have been a good walk we had to wait for 15 miniutes, Her face was a picture.
HH
Looks like whoever came up with the latest strategy never checked FIFA Statues (thanks to steer from alex o henley)
Will the SFL Board apply the first principle of sporting merit?
Do Sevco meet the licensing requirements unde 2? The SFA should advise.
How will the SFA explain away 3 to FIFA?
How do the SFA explain 5?
or are FIFA Statutes not so much rules but (in pirate terms) more guidelines?
Article 19 Principle of promotion and relegation
1 A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship
shall depend principally on sporting merit. A club shall qualify for
a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division
or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.
2 In addition to qualification on sporting merit, a club’s participation
in a domestic league championship may be subject to other criteria
within the scope of the licensing procedure, whereby the emphasis
is on sporting, infrastructural, administrative, legal and financial
considerations. Licensing decisions must be able to be examined
by the Member’s body of appeal.
3 Altering the legal form or company structure of a club to facilitate
its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence for
a domestic league championship, to the detriment of the integrity
of a sports competition, is prohibited. This includes, for example,
changing the headquarters, changing the name or transferring
stakeholdings between different clubs. Prohibitive decisions must be
able to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
4 Each Member is responsible for deciding national issues, which may
not be delegated to the Leagues. Each Confederation is responsible
for deciding issues involving more than one Association concerning
its own territory. FIFA is responsible for deciding international
issues involving more than one Confederation
ernie lynch on 7 July, 2012 at 18:00
They have left it to the SFA from what I gathered.
that should be 4
So let’s not have any more of this media nonsense about relegation.
The proposal is simple: the SPL can buy Sevco a two division promotion.
Wrt to generating opposition to the latest SFL proposals I thinkoffers of financial rewards from fans of other clubs are likely to be more effective than financial threats – a pledge from fans of SPL clubs to attend at least two ganes per season at their local SFL club should more or less cancel out potential shortfalls
VertWolf
everyone needs to relax a little, i think these proposals add up to eaith a yes to 3rd division or yes to 1st division subject to structural changes.
proposal 1 = vote to be assocaite member and therefore the right to apply for sfl league status, if successful every club starts in 3rd division.
proposal 2 = vote to allow them into 1st division and we’ll make sure we get changes agreed.
both of these require, i suspect would require a 66% vote because both involve rule change, is that not the case
hence, these proposal could actually be a good thing, did anyone actually think the would word the question in such a way that it would alianate the huns fans should they be playing in the slf?
A wee scenario on Rankers and why going into Div 1 could be a good thing …
Lots of talk at the moment, that the Green consortium has limited funding. It is also rumoured that season ticket sales are non existent.
If Rankers go into Div 3 , I suspect that either through a second bout of administration caused by a lack of income or , some other force, net result is that THOSE WAITING IN THE WINGS ( Brown, Walter etc), come in , the fans rally behind, start and within 3 years they are back …possibly burdened by the football club not owning the stadium.
Option two is they go into Div1, Green and co try to make a go of it, stumble through for 12 /18 months and then go into administration again, caused by a ‘get them out campaign’ led by Brown etc. The current circus starts again, and a 3/4 year recovery becomes 6/7 years.
Ask any fans of Rankers and their preference is to go into Div 3, which is why I am in the Div 1 camp.
Driving my black hack around the streets of Glasgow tonight, and the DOB’s are hanging around the usual “manky spots”.Eglinton St., PRW, and Duke St.
Looks like the begging light will be permanently in the “off” position tonight. Selective pick-ups only.
Tims may be hard, but standards must be maintained.
Hate having the b@$?€&s in my cab.
simple vote yes to proposal 1 and no to proposal 2 and its done
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 7 July, 2012 at 18:05 said:
Auldheid why the desperation for the SFA/SPL to continue down this road even though it would mean the death of all sporting integrity in the game.
They know this will mean the death of the game so what’s the deal here behind the deal??
Tims=times.
starry plough on 7 July, 2012 at 18:14 said
Ludge desperation
Evening bhoys, hot, but hun free.
Had a quick glance throught the thread, came upon this post
Thai Tim on 7 July, 2012 at 15:40
Hit the nail on the head mi amigo.
Dismayed that it’s being allowed to happen, this is corperate fraud, and nobody gives a toss.
We are talking hunderds of millions here, the money that has been stolen from the creditors, the purchace of assets that should be going to the creditors, and all the while the powers in scotland are facilitating this fraud.
Scotland, whas like us.
cant believe there are people on here advocating the hundead are given the green light to jump a queue of qualified applicants.
PETEC 1734
I like your style-a wee bit of the Philadelphia lawyer there,I think-but sadly mea culpa.
Not a great believer in accepting being wronged at the best of times,but when there is a rather cute blonde involved,well,I think we would all have done the same thing.
And,trust me,she WAS a honey……..
Cant be long now till theres a few arrests…..i will love it when they snap the cuffs on these conmen.
Sleekit Sally seems to be in a bit of a daze….doesnt know the team he used to manage is dead….denial is a bad thing.
HH
I’ve just listened to Off The Ball from today. If you haven’t listened to it please do. Anyone who doesn’t think that Archie McPherson isn’t a raging, panicking hun after this is kidding themselves. Regardless of how many Jock Stein books he got paid.
for.http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01kjfyq/Off_the_Ball_07_07_2012/
leftclicktic on 7 July, 2012 at 18:17 said:
Where’s the sacrifice normally the shiny beasts offer up a sacrifice so that they think they have pulled the wool over everybody’s eyes, DD HD etcetc…
Not been on for a while….so its such a joy to see us all revel in their demise.
HellslapitintaethemCSC
stephbhoy
No. There is no provision in the rulebook stating that new clubs must start at the bottom. If they vote yes to measure 1), and no to measure 2), Rangers enter the SFL. It would then be at the discretion of the SFL board, consisting among others of Rangers shareholder David Longmuir and fellow shareholder and RFFF supporter Jim Ballantyne, as to which division they play in. Yeah.
SFL board apparently: Gordon MacDougall (Livingston), Jim Ballantyne (Airdrie), Ewan Cameron (Alloa), Anne McKeown (Arbroath) Gilbert Lawrie (Dumbarton), Malky Mackay (Queens Park), Ken Ferguson (Brechin), Jim Leishman (Dunfermline)
They will be the ones asked to take the bribe of future changes in exchange for moving them up from Div3 to Div1.
Geezo!
HH
JP
canamalar
Obviously the preference is for no huns at all, but you know as well as the next man that ain’t gonna happen.
Jeezo, I was shocked that they were not allowed into the spl.
I suppose the best we could hope for is the 3rd div, and going by clashcitybhoy’s post, div 1 might not be the disaster we all think, the competition is stiff enough there, especially for a decemated team.
But unless the referees are sorted, it matters not a jot where they end up.
Sort the referees, sort the problem.
Had the referees been sorted in the past, they would have been dead years ago.
The fat bitter useless manager of a Hun just cant help having a dig at us.
“Our good friends at Celtic across the city
issued a statement that stated that integrity was of paramount importance to Scottish football and we totally agree with that, and I would imagine the vast
majority of all SPL chairmen agree with
that statement.”
The SFL members should vote no to all proposals if they wish to safeguard sporting integrity and avoid being landed with the basket case that is Sevco FC, and the resulting fixture chaos that will ensue.
TET,
cant agree, I believe the demand for integrity is growing