I continually read misleading interpretations about the alleged second contracts at Rangers. Rangers may, and almost certainly did, insist at the First Tier Tribunal that the letters in question were not contracts. This point is important to the tax authorities but completely irrelevant to the football authorities.
The SPL specifically:
“Impose a prohibition on players receiving payments for playing football or participating in an activity connected with football except where such payments are made in accordance with a form of contract approved by the SPL and require that all such contracts are submitted to the SPL within 14 days of being entered into”.
The SFA require:
“All payments, whether made by the club or otherwise, which are to be made to a player solely relating to his playing activities must be fully recorded within the relevant written agreement with the player prior to submission to this Association and/or the recognised football body of which his club is in membership.”
So, for clarity, side arrangements do not have to be part of a contract before they become subject to SFA and SPL regulations, but “payments… connected with football” or payments received by a player “solely relating to his playing activities must be fully recorded”, otherwise the player has been improperly registered and his team would be awarded a 3-0 defeat for each game he played.
The Sun’s landmark story on this issue claim’s one Rangers player was due £1200 appearance money per game, clearly “connected with football”.
In point 14 of his statement today, concerning Rangers being stripped of their disputed titles, Dave King said, “I am absolutely confident (now that I have a good sense of the true position) that this will not happen”.
The “true position” will be established by SPL inquiry. If they have all letters issued to players of the kind produced by The Sun, or given as evidence to the First Tier Tribunal, Rangers have no case to answer, but we have to wonder, if this is the case, why the inquiry?
I note the swift and robust defence issued by Sir David Murray against allegations levelled by former college Dave King. I also note the swift and robust defence issued by Sir David Murray against allegations levelled by former college Hugh Adam of side-contracts being issued to players.
Wait a minute, Sir David hasn’t uttered a word about Hugh Adam’s allegations!
I would like to be the first to congratulate St Johnstone on winning the League Cup in season 1999-2000.
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Wow talk about trying to make yourselves relevent!
Well done St. Mirren the most bizarre non statement award 2012 is all sown up.
Timabhouy
Wheeeeeech !!
billyconnolyCsC
ibleedgreenandwhite1 on 7 March, 2012 at 15:52 said:
Those lacking reality are those in the media who have spent the last three weeks ramming it down our throats just how badly we need THEM.
Paul or anyone who can answer
Has anyone, anywhere, to date, [publicly] asked any former Rangers player whether they had a side/second contract? Surely if just ONE came forward then this is all the evidence we need?
Further, would any such player be himself subject to legal proceedings and/or football authority investigations?
Agent Craig “Green and” Whyte!! on 7 March, 2012 at 15:54 said:
“HAHA I thought you had made that up.I cant believe thats an official statement.
HH ”
Truth is stranger than fiction.
cheers
laters
p
i think the automic clock has ticked its tock
duffers and phlips meeting all staff at murray park
and ipox in a synchronised meeting.
cavansam \o/ on 7 March, 2012:
Well done St. Mirren the most bizarre non statement award 2012 is all sown up.
I don’t know. As bizarre and irrelevant as it was, some of Duff and Phelps recent efforts have been just as bad.
Mort
come out come out
where ever you are
the man in the lobby
doing a jobbie
As I understand it as of today the First Tier Tribunal decision is still being written?
If this is the case then surely the person or persons writing up the decision—unless of course they have moved to the Planet Zork—must be noting the goings on at Ibrox.
There are more dodgy characters coming and going than visiting day at that other big house Barlinnie.
Must be difficult for Lord Glennie or whoever it is to remain objective with all of the revelations and accusations of illegal and unethical practices.
Might the final decision of the FTT refer the findings to the COPFS?
That St Mirren statement is pure sophistry…a classic case of circuitious thinking…what they call in rhetoric a tautology…maybe there is some vacuous truth in there for those who care to analyse…
Mort 16.00
True the competition was fierce.
Mort on 7 March, 2012 at 15:57 said:
As I recently observed on this forum.
Patriotism is the last refuge a scoundrel.
Mort,
Poppy Scotland collected £3,920 at Ibrox.
Bringing Martin Home’s intrepid team of bucketeers collected £10,000 at Celtic Park.
rangerstaxcase Rangers Tax-Case
If the SPL “botch” the inquiry into 2 contracts and flagrant breach of league rules, it will be left to others to present the facts.
This strikes me as a serious warning.
Stewart Gilmour has just released another statement.
” I will have dinner tonight, although i dont know at what time.
If asked i will be unable to say what im am having for dinner or if i will be hungry.
Im sure i will eat at some point but when and what i dont know until i have eaten something at sometime, somewhere.Where i dont exactly know until i am there eating food.I hope this answers all your questions….now breakfast!!!”
have duff and dumber had enough
and now they mention the LIQUIDATION word
you heard it from timabhouy first
Questioned yesterday role of agents in double contracts.
It appears that they are swarming round Murray Park like fleas on a dunghill.
No pun intended.
Ron Bacardi on 7 March, 2012 at 15:04 said:
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 7 March, 2012 at 14:48 said:
Ron Bacardi,
It’s not entirely clear when the relegated team ceases to be a member of the SPL. The Rules only say that it doesn’t require the consent of the board, it just happens.
As it’s effectively a transfer of a Share from the relegated club to the one promoted it could be assumed that the switch takes place as soon as the season ends.
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maybe a couple of weeks grace to wind things up and allow time for any possible appeals about rules being broken?
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just a thought would the SPL share stay with relegated team until the promoted team is confirmed that it has met the SPL rules regarding memebership – all seater stadium, undersoil heating etc.
then switcheroo happens when conditions met or no relegation occurs ??
fat sally is planing to speak to the rangers crowd just like neil lennon did last year and say ‘this is not the beggining it’s the end’
Mort on 7 March, 2012 at 15:57 said:
“So RFC as club provided nothing, their supporters donated just over £6k. Quintesential Brits my behind.”
This reminds me of the dear departed Cap’n Bob when he used the money donated by Mirror Group readers to inflate his own ego, raise his own profile and ….. what was that other thing that needed doing ….. oh yes, act as if it was his money and give some to starving people in Africa.
So Poppy Scotland collected less than 10 pence per Hun ?
They should have used the online pledge system.
Paul67
Is this an official response from St Mirren in respect of your closing remarks on this article ?
HH
Statement just in from Donald Rumsfeld
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don’t know we don’t know.
I think that should clear everything up.
Is our very own Declan a director of St Mirren ?
I think we should be told.
HH
Alex O’Henley @UEFAcomAlexO
Fiduciary duty – two words we’ll be hearing a lot about as the #RangersFC story continues to unravel
didn´t the Gilmours sell up at St. Mirren ?
The huge poppy display they had probably cost more than they collected. Quintessentially British until you need to put your hand in your pocket, very much like their share issue.
Duffer and Flips still stringing things out I see.
MayoD on 7 March, 2012 at 16:08 said:
Alex O’Henley @UEFAcomAlexO
Fiduciary duty – two words we’ll be hearing a lot about as the #RangersFC story continues to unravel
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Another word I’ll need to google.
DougC,
From memory, teams looking at promotion to the SPL in the summer have to confirm that they own or have access to a suitable ground somewhere around April.
TheGreenManalishi(WithTheTwoProngedCrown) on 7 March, 2012 at 15:56 said:
St Mirren statement reading between the lines……….
as you know this club has been up for sale for some time (where have I heard that before) we are currently being tapped up as to a proposed merger with a nearby club, but cannot make any further comment till they are flushed away
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Surely you mean
We at St Mirren hope to purchase our new training ground at Edminson drive govan as soon as we get change of this £20 note, and chase away the vermin that currently has free rein in the building.
Some post from Hun Media: (I’ve censored the swear words)
f@*$ and C*%@ at B@£*%@ so we F@*£% up the Taig S*@$…
very informative and lucid…
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy on 7 March, 2012 at 15:54 said:
iki on 7 March, 2012 at 16:06 said:
Wasn’t Capt’n Bob fondly or otherwise, known as the Bouncing Czech
There is a secret message in this wee rhyme!!
Just ….hmmmm……..well I’m sure you’ll work it out! (I had to cheat a little on the last line as I had used all my letters, but not as big a cheat as the huns who had used all their cash!)
You’ve heard the tale of yesteryear
Of heroes clad in blue
Used by bigots, crooks and spivs
Lost like a ghost ship’s crew!
Lying wrecked on wave crushed rocks
No more to sail the line
Evermore with Davy Jones
Vanquished deep in brine.
“Each loyal bluenose, ‘gainst all foes
“Rise to yer cause so dear
“Who’s that?”. “Hector’s at the door!”
“Ah think the end is near”.
“Ledgers forged!” The taxman said
Klaxon-like huns wail
As Murray, Bain an’ Johnston too
Look forward to the jail.
“Oh haud a sec, what is this here?
“Nae ticket cash for years
“Every Fenian’s wish come true……………… Ice Cream!…..Jelly! ………. Beers!
So every first letter spells …..
Ok another one to follow shortly, BUT to make it difficult there will be no bolding!!
Snowin in the Gorbals….nope sun shining now…wait a minute snowing…..
Hail Hail
Estadio
Hi All – I’m laughing out loud as I type.
Earlier Roddy Forsyth on five live spoke about the gift that just keeps on giving.
The comments on here are just brilliant and hilarious.
King, Johnston, Murray, Whyte, Duffer, Ogilvie, Duff, Duffer …….
This story has now got more bad guys than “Con Air”.
BTW – £600 per hour for a seven hour day (at current exchange rates)?
I know some of us are keen for the plot to speed up but perhaps Duff & Duffer’s motto is “another day, another 6,600 dollars”
Hail Hail
what about us at c.q.n.chipping in for yogys
67 euro cup medal
any thoughts ?
hi paul . dont you feel we should be taking this rangers ( ia ) scenario out of this country now . All these administration delays are for only one reason to aid rangers f.c . I feel it is now time to let the rest of the uk know what is actually going on up here . Like many others i watched the stage managed show last night with mclean and scotlands no 1 brown nose traynor . A programme again designed to make a case for rangers fc . The severity of the crime is not being reported here in this country , all that matters is rangers survive , and rangers get back into the spl unpunished , and that rangers dont lose their alleged tainted titles . It is unbelievable that an outfit with so many alleged accusations pending have so many well wishers. Paul we have on this site ,and indeed other celtic sites , some very clever guys who know about the implications of alleged tax avoidance, about the alleged use of EBT,s . and guys who can convey the unfolding story very very well indeed our own JAMES FORREST being the one who springs to mind , why dont we involve the english broadsheet media , who dont give a hoot about scotlands establishment club , but may just be interested that a football club may not be paying their tax and could get off scot free or without too much hardship .. Would it be wrong of me to ask why we the celtic support are sitting here giving all the time in the world to the friends of rangers to look for solutions and excuses to aid them, because in my mind that is what is happening from the administrators to the media to scottish footballs HQ . We are not going to see justice being done up here . Will we ever hear the full and honest outcome from the BIG enquiry . Will judgement be without fear or favour , cant see it myself . But in our midst we have guys who can carry the true account of whats been going on up here over the years to the. eyes and ears of the rest of the UK and beyond . We have fan bases all over the world . There are newspapers out there not governed by the laptop loyal . I dont know about the rest of you but i am scunnered letting the friends of the gers control the agenda .
jimtim
Just a query – on March 2nd, Duff and Duffer said they needed to save “approx” £4.5 million to survive until the end of the season.
Given that the biggest outlay at Ibrokes, aside “from that stash under the bed that the taxman doesn’t need to know about” is player wages, which continue to accrue daily, and that precious little of these have been ‘slashed’ so far during the ‘savage cuts’ (can’t imagine Wylde and Cellik being particularly high earners), and that the season ends on May 12th, does this mean that they still need to save £4.5million 6 days later?
Given this, and the media’s calculation that this meant “just over £1million per month”, should we now be revising that as them needing to save £1.8million per month (which is “just under” £2million per month) to survive till the end of the season??
Pedantic, perhaps, but let’s just remember that every day that passes, the ice-cream gets tastier and the jelly even wobblier. :-)
BBCchrismclaug: #Rangers players told no decision on their futures till Friday.