We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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G64- good mate,enjoyed the game last night,Sammi, Wanyama, played really well but for me Kayal set the tone for the team and back to last years form HH.
Off tae bed..
Lawwell if your lurkin…still not forgot about you… !
Cults
I rarely post and very often find your posts a tad too negative.
Everything you’ve said about Sammi tonight I agree with.
See ya
Bloke109 is Neil Lennon says: 5 November, 2011 at 00:54
Nah, still a bit under the weather. Cough. See?
Excathedra/MWD
Cheers bhoys.
Right time for the ol spiderman jammies, shattered after the long drive north.
God bless you dad x
It’s a long time now since my father passed on and as the years mount up the bourdon of loss does not lessen, the opposite if the truth be known and I wouldn’t want it any other way. Time and compassion are good friends in times of sorrow and they will nurture the strength you require to carry the heaviest load a man can carry… his love for his friends and family. As each year passes, another layer of affectionate memories are glossed with care over the previous; they do not cloud nor confuse the memory of my dad, they are just another silent chorus to be added to my own hearts treasures where I often love to visit. Grief is a long gospel.
It was my dad, over decades, who taught me the depth of meaning that shrouds our club. I came to terms with my dad passing years ago but I miss him as much today as I missed him ever. I know it is not very manly to talk of love but I don’t really give a toss about such nonsense. After all these years I still love silently talking to my old man and trying to figure out how he would resolve my daily trials and tribulations; invariably I am left smiling and I hope it is so until it is my time too.
To those that have recently lost a loved one and are hurting please know that it is love that is the cause of your hurt. The pains of love can be the most severe and yet paradoxically… the sweetest.
My sincerest condolences to those who are hurting; I hope you can soon harness your sorrows and pay testament to your loved ones, both living and passed on, with smiles.
RIP Alex Adair
Horrendous crash on M5 near Taunton,a few fatalities.
Kitalba
Beautiful and very, very true.
Night night
!!Bada Bing!!
If the players had shown half the desire as they did
last night against Killie and Hibs we would be a lot better off.
kitalba says:
5 November, 2011 at 01:08
1000 words to same 10, but everyone worthwhile. Why would I expect anything less?
Hail Hail my friend
CRC
Hmilton Tim, Salve salve;- Going to bed now but this reminds me of my relationship with my Dad.
For you
Greenwells
Pax vobiscum
nite G64 and fellow handsome tims.xx
HamiltonTim
Logged in late, sorry for your loss.. I was onto to my niece in upside-down land (obviously Australia) re. her dad that just died and she had sent Mrs EBee and me a dvd of her dad’s life and it brought back so many warm feelings for a guy I only new fleetingly so your your loss is heartily felt. Keep the faith. Pass on our thoughts to yopur mother.
Hamilton Tim, Salve salve;- Sorry messed that up for you and your mum
All the best
Greenwells
Pax
A song that says it all – sometimes goodnight – sometimes goodbye………
Songbird!
!!Bada Bing!!
Good night pal.
CultsBhoy,
IMO Celtic have been struggling because Scott is not in the team at the moment, he gives us drive when the games are flat.
The good thing is we are coming through this difficult period, and it will be the making of a few of these very young players.
I said a few weeks back that we really needed Scott Brown at that moment, it is good to see these young players develop and starting to step up to the plate.
Neil Lennon has an incredible will to win, it is obvious he is a very clever guy to have the confidence to take the Celtic job on as his first one.
Neil Lennon used his brain to become the player he was, he never had any sort of pace, and that is incredible in the modern game.
The Scottish establishment have thrown everything at Neil, and I would suspect tried to find trojan horses to destroy what he is starting to build.
Celtic in Europe this season, despite being in a Champions League group (skill level) have a real chance of progression and if they had a little more luck and belief at those times they would be top dogs.
I hope the attendance at the Atletico game is very healthy and that we exact real revenge and keep alive a Truly Unprecedented Quadruple with this Incredibly young Celtic team.
Believe in Miracles?
You better believe it.
The amount of
HamiltonTim
I’ve just remembered a story from around that time.
The artist had been working for a few weeks, always at the weekend and with each passing week the “art” was getting more daring and more prominant.
There was a lot of talk at the time, the huns were not happy at all, there was genuine threats that if it didn’t stop and they caught the culprit they would “slit his throat”. No one knew who it was, well no one but me ;-) It was the talk of our supporters nus and the usual suspects were being mentioned, but as one wise old fox said on the bus, “if any of they usual suspects done that 1. they would be shouting and boasting about it. and 2. they would have got effin caught by now – that’s five or six weeks in a row its been going on, naw it must be a fly wan” This is where I think the idea of a plan was thought up to catch the “artist”.
Now I don’t know if there was a discussion on the various tactics they could use to try and flush out this cunning and clever operator or if they just got lucky.
A night or 2 before the next home game, the “Artist” had got to work on his most daring project yet. It was on the side of a corner shop just by the BP station. A massive WHITE wall. The wall was newly roughcast then painted after about 20 years of it having 1690 & UVF emblazoned on it, untidely in blue paint. Now this wall was right on the main road, every car coming in to town passes it, it was also directly underneath a street lamp. This provided the”artist” with major problems, the first how could he possibly finish his work on this busy road (busy even at 2am) and more importantly how under the light of the streetlamp could he distinguish between the green and orange tins of spray paint? :-)
He quickly decided the very small hedge gave adequate cover and he could dive down quickly when he heard traffic approaching, however it took him a bit longer to realise he could read the tin to see if it said “Signal green” or “Electric Orange”.
With the two major problems addressed, he proceeded to get to work. A massive tricolour, using the green and orange carefully, with the white backdrop providing the third colour. Above which in big capital letters was the pronouncement “TIOCFAIDH AR LA”. Although not the neatest piece of artwork the “artist” had produced, it was certainly the biggest and most prominent. It was also his most “popular” piece. That simple Gaelic phrase along with the Irish flag triggered fever pitch, the huns were outraged and the tims were delighted but puzzled in equal measure, that was until the bus journey to the home game.
Everyone had been talking about the latest addition to the town’s art collection, what would be his next project? The huns are raging! Who is daft enough to be trying to get away with that? On the bus, as we drove past the work of art, everyone jostling for position to get a look out the back or side windows of the bus, as leaving town we couldn’t see it in its full rebellious glory, a streetwise head on the bus shouted “but look, he’s spelt Tiocfaidh ar La wrong!” that was when bjmac stood up and rather too quickly and robustly told him to “shut-up ya eedjit its spelled exactly as it should be….” the silence, smiles and knowing looks followed ;-)
hh & Tiocfaidh ar La
bjmac
“The amount of”
Curtailed. hehe
It was getting into long post territory.
PS I mentioned the previous artwork on that wall was there for 20+ years, the beautiful new piece of work was there for about a month!!!
kitalba says:
5 November, 2011 at 01:08
Kitalba,
I don’t think there is a poster on here who puts up articles more than your Good self that are totally from their heart. Every post is a must read especially as it is from a Kind Heart.
PPS Conamara Bhoy – if you’re lurking – old Bennie would’ve been proud of a finished flag;-)
KEVTIC’s XI
GOALKEEPERS
5.Boruc
FULL BACKS
6.McGrain 8.Boyd
CENTRE BACKS
3.Mjallby 4.Balde
MIDFIELDERS
2.McStay
12.Lennon
11.Moravcik
FORWARDS
3.Larsson 4.Sutton
11.Van Hooijdonk
im off now
but its been great to see the messages of support passed onto our fellow bhoys.
i say that because i know the comfort i got from it when my own father AKA Oceallaigh to people that remember his posts.
i have to say that he liked the Friday night tunes on here and we would post back and forth some classics.
celtic quick news was more than just tictalker talking tic then. it was building positive memory’s.
when i read the messages passed on it warms the heart as i feel empathy for you guys.
so to finish my night i will put a song up that makes me laugh with my memory of the oldbhoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4tQvOv-Bv0
tictalker talking tic
petec says:
5 November, 2011 at 01:38
I have to agree with you there, Petec.
Another outstanding contribution Kit
hh
hh & Goodnight CQN
oh and one other thing before i go.
the best players of the last 25 years.
one of the most technically gifted players was missed out.
The German bomb Andreas Thom
if only he came two year before he did
stunning left peg
Tictalker talking tic
Roll on Sunday – fully expecting three points for the Sons of Darkness.
Seems to be forgotten that we took three points from a European game in which we were behind after 2 minutes.
Larsson, Sutton and co managed it against Juventus – del Piero not score first?
Liked listening to Big Dan at the today’s press conference – has years of experience, doesn’t give a s**t about anybody else’s opinion.
PaddyGallagher
If you are about just spoke to my wee sister who was in Rennes for the match and she said she was talking to one of the Jersey Bhoys before the match and he knew John Kerr was it you?
Some what peed as the beer ran out a while ago and now drinking Brandy + White Lemonade. The hospitality here in Lurgan is great :-)
2010 Never Again
You’re a good man Kit with a good heart
Hail Hail
tictalker says:
5 November, 2011 at 01:40
I never realised (perhaps forgot,apologies) who you were but I remember your old man being a top man on the friday nights, he wisnae on that long though unfortunately. :((
What I will say is, I think you have some of the best analysis on this site, if not the best when it comes to Celtic and its tactics and even other teams tactics.
And there will be no doubt that your Old Man will have got you into the Tactical side of things early.
God Bless Oceallaigh.
Kitalba–I miss my dad so much, and he’s dead over 40 years. The youngest son, I had to watch my mum loving me so much and my dad trying to keep a balance. I would give a year of the life I have left just to have him here for one day. Just to tell him how much I loved him and to explain that I didn’t know how to tell him that simple and lovely truth. He had Parkinson’s, and still set up a pensioner’s trade union when he retired. I watched him hold his his writing hand over the paper to steady his handwriting. Jack Jones wrote to him often. The morals I have and the rage against injustice I got from him. I’ve passed that to my children, and my regret is that they never met a proper man.
owen says:
5 November, 2011 at 02:03
PaddyGallagher
If you are about just spoke to my wee sister who was in Rennes for the match and she said she was talking to one of the Jersey Bhoys before the match and he knew John Kerr was it you?
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Not me amigo, went a man down at work and couldn’t get away, but loads of the lads were over.
Happiness Something in my own place I’m stood here naked Smiling, I feel no disgrace With who I am
I am a Very lucky Man.
As there is noone on….
heres a different type of track from 2 decades ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCN1DhHTZA
The Prodigy before they walked off the stage they headlined at the First Ingliston Event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4eav7dFvc8