We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother says:
5 November, 2011 at 09:06
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Here is my attempt – no doubt it’ll differ from others!!
GK Boruc
FB McGrain
FB Agathe
CB Aitken
CB Elliott
MID McStay
MID Lennon
MID Moravcik
FWD Larsson
FWD Sutton
FWD Dziekanowski
Hail Hail
Giggs
Gordon J
Motherwell have scored a number of goals from set pieces this season, their height is a threat.
Keeping in mind our failings to implement zonal marking, its imperative that we limit them to as few opportunities to corners and free kicks around the box as possible.
I have a feeling in my watter(whit does that mean?)that the huns are going to drop points today.
hamiltontim,
Set pieces are a concern against anyone at the moment. And I’m pretty sure Scottish refs know that …
Voguepunter
Excuse the ignorance, who are they playing?
Who are the huns playing today please?
Celtic Soul Brother at 9.06 –
I’ll go with…
Boruc
McGrain, Boyd
Aitken, Elliot
Lubo, Naka, McStay
Larsson, Cadete, McAvennie
jobo
Orangies are playing the Tangerines
D united
my team would be…
muggleton
sinclair
mcgugan
oleary
rogan
crainey(danny)
sullivan
halpin
archdeacon
melrose
payton
only kiddin!
hail hail
Cmon the Dundee Hibernian!
Gordon_J
Get along to BBC Scotland with your camera and some sound recording equipment.
I hear the Hun Tenors are playing outside there today at around midday.
I know you like your music. ;o)
MWD
huns are skint …theyve nae tenors left
ItaliaBhoy says:
5 November, 2011 at 10:08
Who knows? it is a tremendous story, abysmally covered by our sports and business media.
How many have already started on the book of the “inside story” quite a few im sure
Who will write the definitive book, the truth of it all, certainly no one from the LL
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 10:23
You still going out tonight ht?
ItaliaBhoy at 10.08
Chapeau.
MWD
Hun/tenners now there’s an oxymoron :)
MWD,
A selection from their usual repertoire is it? Or are they doing early xmas numbers?
Voguepunter
Aye mate, still a ticket available if you fancy it :)
celtic soul brother
Boruc
McGrain,Izzy
Reiper,Elliot
Mcstay, Lubo, Petrov
MacAvennie,Larsson, Sutton
Morning bhoys, much cooler, wet, still hun free.
Someone is backing Whytie to the tune of 1mil per week, why is what I ask, the tax case decision won’t be for another 12 weeks.
He has to limp through to the end of Jan, cos any fire sale will take place the last week of the window, so 3 months wages will have to be paid.
Whyte has to be a patsy.
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 10:29
I fancy it,but if I have a drink through the day I would give you a showing up :O)
You enjoy yourself,and take care .
TET
what`s in it for anyone to front up £1m per week ?
i can`t fathom out what Whyte`s game is
realistically i keep coming back to the notion that he`s F`ed it up and been sold a turkey …also Mccoists ability to have them horsed out of every cup competition at the first hurdle ..hasn`t helped
HT
VP is still on a curfew from when he was 16.
He’s not allowed in Ruglen Main St after dark.
PFayr
That’s the mystery, and swally sure has fecked up.
If it’s solo whyte he dosen’t have or won’t part with 12 mill for the next 3 months, he has a history of not paying his dues.
If he’s been sold a turkey and is way out of his depth, he would have pulled the plug weeks ago saving himself a mill a week, somebody is funding this for reasons unknown, but I imagine most will come out in the coming months.
Or they could win their case, and then we will be……..
just had a call from Mrs BT (snr)
she was at a charity night last night..
my dad donated a ball signed by the hoops..
my mum won(?) a tour of Ipox for 5…… o))
THE EXILED TIM says:
5 November, 2011 at 10:35
Got to be player sales in January
Whyte has already stated millions in a black hole in this seasons accounts
Will Lafferty be offered a new improved contract
HT
enjoy your night tonight and keep my old man of the brandy shady….
I see malmo are doing brilliantly in the Europa league. What is it that is unique to the spl that allows the huns to only have good performances within that competition when they get beat by crappy teams outwith that competition.
What is it that allows Celtic to get beat in that competition by rubbish teams and beat better teams outwith that competition?
Something isn’t right.
Voguepunter
Pmsl now if you knew my mate Ziggy, now that’s a showin up :))
Enjoy your day mate.
lionroars67
I aqgree player sales will happen but not untill the last week in January, buyers will wait till the last few days, bluff and counter bluff if you like, everybody and his dug knows there financial problems.
And when they are punted, he will get nothing like their true worth, my guestimate is 15mil tops for the lot, that would account for the outgoings.
He may take the ground and murray park as settlement and lease them back, he will have all the cattering, hospitality and merchandising assuming a newco.
Interesting time ahead.
BT
Tell your mum to take the opportunity, in a few years time the trophy room will be Tesco’s frozen chicken aisle :)
Conaghan
Craig
McNeil
Balde
Hay
Mcluskey
Petrov
Kean
McLaughlin
Nicholas
Mcinally
HT
thats what I told her… o))
she is going to donate it to Yorkhill hospital…
Hamilton Tim was thinking of you yesterday.
YNWA
Vinny
blantyretim says:
5 November, 2011 at 10:48
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So when are you going then??? :-)
HH
Giggs
Maribor and malmo,
Played 8 games in Europa league.
Conceded 23 goals between them, only scored 7.
They have managed to get one point between them.
And we’re scared of a team that got horses by both teams?
Mickbhoy1888@ 10:57
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