We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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I have already entered a team but my eldest son (who is 18 and a year older than Marcus Fraser !) wants to enter the following team as the best of the last 25 years.
Boruc
Izzy Hinkel
Bobo Mjallby
Lubo McGeady Lennon
Larsson Hartson Van Hooijdonk
I see the Huns are doing their bit for the war veterans buy giving them free access to the game today,
What about their donation to the poppy fund? Have they matched our 10k Donation yet?
HH
Rangers potential quadruple would have been unprecedented but only because we done the octuple.
Usual ones + Glasgow Cup + Reserve League + Reserve Cup + Quizball.
Hail hail
Estadio
Yes guys the ole Glasgow Cup did make it a Quintuple!
MWB- ‘Junky Red Star’ – did you know me in my student days?
Hail hail
Neillennon @1220
Sorry mate but I’m a bit sluggish today. Been dreaming of Scottish Football without der hun and sons of william frae Enbra, what a dream!!
Anyway here’s my pick although I did have difficulty with the 3 forwards
Boruc
McGrain & McKilnlay
Reiper and Elliott
McStay, Burns and Moravcik
Cadette Larsson and McClair with Sutton as twelfth man.
Hail Hail
KINGLuBO
ps World beaters and Barca, eat your heart out
overseasbhoy says:
5 November, 2011 at 11:04
I think your comparison with European and the SPL results, is a valid point.
It leaves us exactly where we were before, in the doldrums of the low level of Scottish Football in general, and in Celtic’s case with a very unusual start to the SPL.
Celtic haven’t played well in the mundane SPL bread and butter games, whilst Rangers with an arguably poorer squad haven’t even needed much of a helping hand – yet.
However, we are in Europe, having just beaten a fair French side who came to Celtic Park to try and play football.
Celtic will face something very different at Fir Park tomorrow, that’s where we need to become a proper Celtic side.
I suppose that, strictly speaking, Rangers were going for an unprecented quadruple as no Scottish team had won the domestic honours plus the UEFA Cup. The fact that they did not win either the League or the UEFA Cup is apparently unimportant!
JJ
Celtic need to be tough in the midfield tomorrow. I’d go:
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Zaluska :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Matthews :::::::: Fraser :::::::::::: Majstorovic :: El Kaddouri
Cha :::::::::::::: Kayal :::::::::::::: Wanyama :::::: Mulgrew
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: McCourt :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Samaras ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Stokes and Hooper aren’t right for Fir Park if last time round is anything to go by. Sammi excels there. Paddy’s warming up – he will provide the necessary element of the unexpected, and needs game time if we’re to get the best out of him.
Yep. From tomorrow we need to start grinding out some results and get on a run of wins.
Palacio67 says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:30
“I see the Huns are doing their bit for the war veterans buy giving them free access to the game today,
What about their donation to the poppy fund? Have they matched our 10k Donation yet?”
What a GREAT QUESTION…
Lets get that out there, all you who sometimes frequent those places of the dark forces on t’internet get that question asked, lets phone in tonight and ask for clarification of how much their donation is por cierto.
Remember Remember – admin in November.
quadruple???
and Bobby Lennox won the greyhound derby at shawfield in ’67 as well por cierto
Por Cierto says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:40
Palacio67 says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:30
What about them paying their taxes which funds the armed forces. Should be pointed out to them that tax evasion costs lives when fighting illegal wars
We will be tested physically tomorrow at the family club
Rogne to come in for the injured Loovens, Ledley in for Paddy.
………………………….Fraser………………………………..
Cha………………….Rogne…………… Dan…………………Matthews
Kayal………………….Wanyama…………..Ledley
Forrest…………………Stokes…………………………….Samaras
up over goal
that team might work
however not sure on Mccourt ..away at the sand pit …not really set up for his type of football
i`d play Hooper or stokes in his stead
after some thought i would like to change the team i posted at 09 36 this morning ( I wasnt properly awake honest) and remove le petite merde from the equation. Ne team as follows :
Boruc
McGrain
Izzaguirre
Aitken
Valgaeren
Burns
McStay
Moravcik
Larsson
Sutton
Cadete
—————Forster——————-
Matthews Rogne Mulgrew(c) El Kaddouri
——Kayal Wanyama Ledley———
Forrest————————-Samaras
————–Stokes———————
Subs Zaluska Majstorovic Hooper Commons McCourt Fraser George
if Ledley doesn’t pass fitness test put Mulgrew in at left mid and Dan at centre half
Poppy debate?
Mail Online Article
I like Ki,,,i rate him as a footballer,but the morra i would give him the day off,have to go with Kayal,Wanyama and Ledley if fit,because i can guarantee the Lasley, Jennings and co will be firing into tackles like men possessed,,,and they will get away with murder into the bargain!!!
So come on Celtic,,lets fight fire with fire,,lets destroy M/well the morra and send a message out to everyone that we are back!!!
Hail hail
up_over
I agree with the midfield sentiment, but not the personnel, I also agree with ditching 4-4-2 and playing one main striker
– but it won’t be Sammi,
* Ledley more likely than Mulgrew (is he fit?)
* Forrest never gets dropped
* Paddy always does
* El Kaddouri has and will probably be, overlooked (NL sees him everyday in training)
* Stokes is a racing certainty.
I’d leave Hooper on the bench, where his appetite seems to be coming back, retain Sammi anywhere behind the main striker whom as I’ve said, will be Stokes because he’s just scored two on Thursday.
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother says:
4 November, 2011 at 22:52
Boruc
McGrain Reiper Mjallby Boyd
McStay Lambert Moravcik
Larsson Sutton McAvennie
PFayr
The sandpit doesn’t suit passing football, but great dribblers don’t need an even surface.
The main thing is not to let the Mothers bully Celtic out of the game – Sammi can take the hits.
If he’s successful – maybe we can sue Burley for his comments!
Tevez to sue Souness.
Is the team selections all time players or restricted?
I haven’t read back.
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother: 5 November, 2011 at 09:06
From the squad you selected I would pick the following as my first 11…
Boruc
Agathe
McGrain
Rieper
Balde
McStay
Lambert
Lennon
Nakamura
Larsson
Sutton
bournesouprecipe
Ledley is a major doubt, otherwise I’d have him in the team. Forrest has improved since last season, but is still inconsistent – at Fir Park in February, he came on as a sub and was hopeless.
Agree with you that yours will be closer to Lenny’s pick. Is El K that bad?
O.G. – Newcastle go 1 up.
paladin says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:46
Good Man-no problem sorted!
Kayal33 says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:52
What No Kayal?!
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby says:
5 November, 2011 at 12:55
Yes restricted -see my post at 09.06(both Lennon And Mjallby are on the list!)
up_over_goal at 12:59
Forrest has improved since last season, but is still inconsistent
He’s only 20 and not playing in the greatest Celtic team of all time or anything close so off course he’s going to be inconsistent. He has however, taken charge of many number of games and dragged us back from the brink.
At 20 years old he has already played 46 games for the club, scoring 10 goals and making 8 assists.
That compares more than favourably to our most recent youth products playing a similar position, Aiden McGeady and Shaun Maloney.
Mort
CSB
How long have we got?
HT who is no sure but thinks he suffers from indecisiveness
My prediction for tomorrow.
Our players will be kicked all over the place.
MIB will make a lot of honest mistakes.
We will win by a four goal margin.
Bonner
McGrain Aitken Stubbs McKinlay
Lambert McStay Moravcik
DiCanio Larrson Hartson
Spelt Larsson wrong and haven’t read the rules either doh!
bournesouprecipe
You’#re right. Mulgrew is injured! Is there an undicovered uranium mine beneath Lennoxtown?
OK.
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Zaluska ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Matthews :::::::: Fraser :::::::::::: Majstorovic :: El Kaddouri
:::::::::::::::::::: Kayal ::::::::::::: Wanyama :::::::::::::::::
Cha ::::::::::::::::::::::: McCourt ::::::::::::::::::::: Samaras
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Stokes ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
If Forrest plays tomorrow and does well, he’ll go a long way to winning over the sceptics (me included).
hamiltontim says:
5 November, 2011 at 13:08
Probably finish it sometime tomorrow-depending on the result!
CSB
What page is your post on pal?
Mort
Interesting stats – the signs are good, then. However, I’ll stick to my guns and maintain that Fir Park is no place for young James!