We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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2 – 0 to the Magpies OOOOFTTTT !!!
Stunning volley for Newcastle’s 2nd goal.
Team for tomorrow fitness allowing:
—————Forster——————-
Cha Rogne Mulgrew(c) Matthews
——Kayal Wanyama Ledley———
Forrest————————-Samaras
————–Stokes———————
Today’s fact:
25 years ago Ferguson lost his first Man U game 2-0 at Oxford. The bottom 4 that day was: Chelsea, Man City, Man U, Newcastle, the current Prem top 4
On Thursday night against Rennes, 17-year-old defender Marcus Fraser stepped on to the Parkhead pitch for his debut with the Celtic first team. Surprisingly, it wasn’t his first taste of European football this season.
Fraser has formed a vital part of Celtic’s Under-19s side that are currently playing in the Nextgen Series against Barcelona, Marseille and Manchester City.
A new venture that aims to be the youth equivalent of the Champions League, the series has already provided Celtic with an opportunity to test its youngsters against the cream of world football. In Fraser’s case, the series has helped him accelerate his development into a potential first team player.
But can the same success be said about the series as a whole? The answer, much like many things in football, is a mixed one.
It may seem obvious, but for the teams performing best in the Nextgen, the tournament has received nothing but praise. FC Barcelona, with their lauded youth system that has produced the likes of Pepe Reina, Gerard Pique and Lionel Messi are, unsurprisingly, romping to victory in their group.
The team have played so well that they have even been making the pages of the Catalan sports press, an accolade normally reserved for their Champions League winning superiors.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, there has been little noise about the tournament from Manchester City. City currently sit bottom of their group having been on the receiving end of humiliating back to back defeats courtesy of Marseille, Celtic and Barcelona.
The Manchester side have recently announced a plan to invest £100m in a new youth training campus in east Manchester. Their displays in the series to date suggest that they may well need this investment if they aim to succeed in the tournament in the future, though this is unlikely to give Roberto Mancini nightmares with the backing of Sheikh Mansoor’s millions.
In truth, youth football rarely grips the public imagination. As such, the one area in which the tournament has succeeded most is in getting both supporters and the media discussing youth football. The crowd at Parkhead for Celtic’s first home game in the series was admirable for a youth fixture, filling one of the main stands to capacity.
In the media, coverage of the series has began to increase. The aforementioned presence of the Barcelona youth team on the pages of Spanish sports papers is a clear example of this, and the official website for the series now boasts a piece from veteran Spanish football expert Graham Hunter, praising the aims of the tournament, and highlighting several key players to watch in the future. Celtic forward Tony Watt is one of those that Hunter thinks has great potential.
There have been criticisms of the Nextgen however, with the main one being that it is an elitist venture, due to entry to the tournament being granted by invitation only. Whilst this is in many ways valid, it’s also worth noting that the old European Cup started as an invitation only event, and eventually developed into the tournament that has captured the minds of clubs of all sizes across Europe today. Everyone has to start somewhere.
To return to Celtic, Under-19’s coach John Kennedy still has a battle on his hands if his team looks to get out of their group. Celtic have three games left to play and sit on three points.
Their nearest rivals Marseille have more points, with a total of six, but less fixtures, with only two games remaining. The task is clear: if Celtic can win their last three games and better Marseille’s goal difference, they will qualify.
Fortune and fixtures have dealt Celtic a lucky hand that may help them on their way. Celtic’s next opponents are bottom side Manchester City. City were beaten 4-2 by Celtic in Manchester, and now have nothing left but pride to play for.
If Celtic can reproduce their away performance against them and win at Parkhead, they will stay on course to travel to Barcelona on the 23rd with qualification within touching distance.
Fortunately for Celtic, Barcelona have already ran away with the group and qualified. Celtic will go to the Miniestadi knowing that the Catalans have little need to risk key players (some of whom already participate in the senior B team), having already guaranteed progression.
If Celtic can produce a performance akin to their away win in Manchester, they will be confident that they can topple a makeshift Barcelona side, and go into their final game with all to play for.
Celtic manager Neil Lennon was in attendance for the club’s only home game in the series, and certainly paid attention to one player in particular. If more of Celtic’s young players can perform to the standard of Marcus Fraser then perhaps they could catch his eye too.
Concerning the game in Barcelona, no official word has been given as to whether Pep Guardiola will attend, but if he does, Celtic’s youngsters may have an extra spring in their step. After all, what better place to impress as a young footballer than Barcelona?
Less than 100 huns protesting outside the BBC buildings, I am hearing from an employee.
HH
up_over_goal
I’d be inclined to keep the team as close as possible to Thursday’s starting 11 with some minor personell changes. Adam Matthews to right back. Thomas Rogne in for Loovens and Kris Commons for Paddy.
Hooper to remain on the bench.
Interestingly, Thursday was the first time Gary Hooper has come of the bench to play for Celtic. His previous appearences were all from the start.
Mort
Team for tomorrow with injured players not back:
—————Forster——————-
Matthews Rogne Mulgrew(c) El Kaddouri
——Cha Kayal Wanyama ———
Samaras————————Commons
-————–Stokes———————
Does anybody have a definite list of who is not available tomorrow?
Bloke109 –
I’ve borrowed that fact and sent it spiralling out into the Twittersphere.
Jobo
Mt team for tomorrow:
—————Forster——————-
Matthews Rogne Dan El Kaddouri
——Forest Kayal Wanyama ———
Samaras————————Commons
-————–Stokes———————
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby says:
5 November, 2011 at 13:15
Page 14-will probably re post it when Paul puts up a new thread
Blantyretim:
I’m going tonight and shall introduce myself as Lennybhoy…you might want to give him the heads-up in case he thinks it strange…
hamiltontim:
Really looking forward to tonight mate and thanks for lift.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Dominic Cervi out on loan to Morton until January
http://inverclydenow.com/sport/morton/5865-morton-bring-in-celtic-keeper-on-loan
Everton nick a goal back in 1st half injury time
up_over_goal:
Whilst it is good see young Frazer make his debut and in a european game as well, I think tomorrow is a game to blood him in the SPL…they will kick lumps out of us in my opinion. It will be a tough game and one in which I would stay as safe as we can be and stick with experience.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
up_over_goal:
is a game NOT to blood him in the SPL…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother at 09:06
My team of the quarter century. This is based on my favourite players rather than necessarily the best.
GOALKEEPERS
5.Boruc
FULL BACKS
6.McGrain 7.Izaguirre
CENTRE BACKS
1.Stubbs 3.Mjallby
MIDFIELDERS
2.McStay 11.Moravcik 5.Burns
FORWARDS
3.Larsson 4.Sutton
Mort
Tomorrow is a chance for us to show the hammer throwers in the spl we aint taking this anymore! Send them a message that the 4-4-2 and 4-2-4 soft centre Celtic is gone for good.
Imagine if we had everyone fit and could put this team out week in week out:
—————Forster——————-
Matthews Rogne Mulgrew Izzy
——Kayal Wanyama Ledley———
Brown————————Commons
-————–Stokes———————
You think any team would look at that and laugh and think ‘yep kick them off the park tomorrow’.
Play broonie where he was most effective as a hibs player. The great thing about the above formation is we have a squad that could fill in even when injuries kick in.
Neil you have a couple of times now seen the formation that suits us the best. Please, please dont ditch it and go back to the 4-4-2.
Just been reading the latest update on RTC with a sense of utter incredulity.
If Craig Whye had taken Rangers into administration prior to the Big Tax Case, he could conceivably have brought them through it all with a minimum of pain and hardship, with a little help from his friends up at Hampden and elsewhere.
However, by selling the family silver to Close Brothers for a fistful of dollars to tide him over, Whyte is clearly taking a massive risk, by gambling on the Big Tax Case coming to a big fat zero.
Having taken out a very expensive loan, secured against the assets of the club, Whyte will have absolutely nothing to work with, if and when Administration follows a crippling tax bill, assuming they survive that long. The money from Close Brothers will probably be enough to see them through till January – then watch the fire sale as players are pushed towards the exit . . . for a few dollars more.
Whyte has now played his last joker. If he loses, there will be no way back for the Rangers we all know and detest. Remaining in the SPL will not be an option, because they won’t be able to carry on until the newco resumes next season in the third division, by which time the Whyte Knight will have ridden off into the sunset.
I wonder who will play him in the movie.
Team for Celtic Soul Brother poll:
Boruc, McGrain, Izaguirre, Mjallby, Aitken, McGeady, McStay, Nakamura, Larsson, McClair
Celtic Soul Brother ——-
Boruc
McGrain Boyd
Aitken Rieper
Lubo Lambert McStay
Larsson Cadette McLair .
My all time [ mid 50s onwards ] would beat the above.
Torrential rain —–way down south.
Tell the original holy goalie that Vinny and Margret Fae Blackpool were asking for him.
Have a great night!
V
HH
Mort says:
5 November, 2011 at 13:37
Great team and would win most games with only the ten players but you can pick another forward if you like!
Celtic Soul brother,
As the song goes,,’We only need 10 men’ apparently
Add Sutton
Boruc, McGrain, Izaguirre, Mjallby, Aitken, McGeady, McStay, Nakamura, Larsson, McClair, Sutton
Hooooooops,
That post was for Lennybhoy!
V
HH
10 men won the league!
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother at 09:06
My team of the quarter century. This is based on my favourite players rather than necessarily the best.
GOALKEEPERS
5.Boruc
FULL BACKS
6.McGrain 7.Izaguirre
CENTRE BACKS
1.Stubbs 3.Mjallby
MIDFIELDERS
2.McStay 11.Moravcik 5.Burns
FORWARDS
3.Larsson 4.Sutton
Mort
…………………………………………………………………………
not a bad team but you only have 10 players
Vmhan who Supports Neil Lennon says:
5 November, 2011 at 13:47
Thanks Vhman, guessed it was for me and I will tell the Holy Goalie you are both asking for him and have a great night.
Did you have long session yesterday with Ton Che and Derryghirl?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother at 13:48
D’oh
Thought it was a 4-4-2 so named strikers first. I’ll have to go with Van Hooijdonk then, if for no other reason, the goal in the 1995 Cup final kick started our ressurgence to the top.
Mort
jockcfc at 13:51
Only need 10 to beat all the rest of the teams. :-)
Mort
Lennybhoy
No problem buddy will phone later for directions and pick you up about half 6 if that suits.
Celtic Soul Brother
Boruc
McGrain, Elliot, Rieper, Boyd, McGeady, Lambert, McStay, Moravick, Di Canio, Larrson
Read the rules
Bonner
McGrain Aitken Stubbs McKinlay
Lambert McStay Lubo
McClair Larsson McAvennie
Off topic, but has anyone ever had to do an essay on company law about lifting the veil of incorporation.
Boring stuff and certainly not what I want to do on a Saturday.
Going back to study seemed like a good idea at the time. Not so much now.
Mort
Tom McLaughlin says:
5 November, 2011 at 13:45
I wonder who will play him in the movie.
Will Ferrell?
Not sure of the lineup for the Mothers. I would tend to go with a horses for courses approach. It may need to be a blood and guts victory. James Forest should be rested, he has worked his jacksie off in the last few games and I know if he plays he’ll have a bullseye on his back. A five man midfield of Sammi, Beram, Victor, JL and KC with Stoksey playing up-front would do me.
gsu
My team:
Boruc
McGrain Mjallby Elliot Izaguirre
McStay, Moravcik, Lambert Lennon
Henrik Sutton
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!