We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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we played well against Udinese, then ran up against the jam tarts (or was it Killie) and weary legs and totally different style of footie foxed us. A little bit of the old Glesca gallus in your gave footie required,
hopethisplaneturnsupcfc
Sammi always shows up well when playing counter attacking game and there is plenty of space in front to run into, like last night when he dragged the team up the field.
Not effective against a packed midfield and defence.
Question is, will Motherwell take us on in a game, or sit back and try to hit on break?
I think the latter, as they’re no Rennes.
Stokes 33/1 for a hat trick on Sunday,might be worth a shilling.
Hypocrisy of EFA…appealing Rooney ban. They suspend theory own players for three games for violent conduct. Hope EUFA slap another game on.
They are so far up their own archies.
THE EXILED TIM says:
4 November, 2011 at 18:01
I agree with your MIB angle but IMO the MIB don’t distinguish to the extent that one player would stand out .
Whatever part of my club is dependent on Rangers I am willing to lose – formerly known as Malone19 says:
I would only lat Sammi in a 4-5-1 ,I think he excels in this role with Greece that would leave us with the option of a spare man in midfield ,my choice would be Paddy in the hole behind .
The bottom line here is that any Celtic striker with a record of I think (5 goals in 60 games ),don’t know if that is correct ,would not even be debated about .They would be chased .
hail hail
After that morale crushing start to last night’s game the team recovered to give a classic European performance of clinical finishing of the only three goalscoring chances they had in the match.
Celtic appeared to stop playing for a period in the second half and gave the French far too much possession, presumably this was a tactic to funnell back and give protection to the young central defender who made an excellent debut.
A terrific team performance and great to see the strikers doing the business brilliantly. Thought Paddy was a bit off the pace last night.
Methinks that Samaras really shines when faced with continental opposition who play football and don’t try to kick him off the feckin park. Young Forrest seems to have filled out over the summer and what an exciting prospect this boy is shaping up to be. Glad to see the Kayal engine is in turbo shape again.
Pity we don’t meet teams like Rennes in the SPL who are prepared to attack and leave space for our strikers to exploit. Suppose it’s back to massed defence at Motherwell next Sunday.
Spotted at last night’s game – Duffield.
Anyone know why he was in a hospitality box behind the press section?
Hmmmmmm!
fergus
We will have to agree to disagree re th e cheats with whistles and flags, or is it coincidence that Kayal, Big Dan and the rest of the team turned up last night.
Last night we took the chances that came our way ,so hopfully our luck is turning .
I think if the team can believe this we may pick things up .
Good to see Lenny smiling in a couple of PC lately .A guy with his history of depression ,could not have picked a tougher job in football .
You should not be cutting your teeth at Celtic but I hope our board have his best intrests at heart .
hail hail
Apologies if this has been linked to earlier.
Must read
Parkhead in the 70’s
ET
Believe me we agree regards the MIB ,where we differ is again the influence Sammi has in games .
Let me say this I rate Sammi as a footballer ,that’s why he frustrates the Celtic support .
How many times does he go for high balls in games ,how many goes against him .I would love to see Sammi’s stats against Hateleys .
What I am saying is that should still not stop Sammi from taking MOTM awards in more Spl games .
Do you think the bangura signing has given him a shake .
hail hail
Murderwell we are going to stuff you, we will harry, chase and score
Reporting Scotland, as usual, lead with a negative Celtic story (injuries), not the great win last night. Not a peep about Rangers recent financial peccadillo.
Who does peccadillo play for anyway?
fergus
Maybe if he was played as he was last night things might come good for him, too many times has he been played as a lone striker, imo that’s not his best position, at least not with the current players around him.
I must be sole destroying knowing you have made a fair challenge for the ball and get a foul called against you.
As for Bangura, naw Sammi has no fear of him, neither would any other player imo, I think we have bought a pup there.
Forgot to acknowledge your article Paul,well done.
Hi Terry
Hope you’re well.
Have you been on your favourite radio station lately?
‘all is not brilliantly well with finances’ Clyde about Rangers – the truth is out !
TerryONeill Neil ah love yae says:
4 November, 2011 at 19:04
Great link there and to be honest the guy seems to have put together a great piece with good points .
I would look forward to challenges as to what he states .
ET
ET
was he played last night differently from where he was played before at times .IMO he was not ,the difference was his commitment IMO .
We are always told he is a confidence player ,well I would say that if you show commitment to the Celtic shirt then the fans will give you plenty of backing
jackie mac says:
4 November, 2011 at 19:07
‘all is not brilliantly well with finances’ Clyde about Rangers – the truth is out !
That’s like saying,Hitler wizny all bad.
No wonder rankers are in such a dire state,it must have cost a fortune
keeping all those journos in beer.
Motherwell 0 Celtic 4, 22-1……Roll on Sunday!!
ElDiegoBhoy
4 November, 2011 at 19:06
Am good thanks hope yiv got a spring in yir step,as fur the fone in have called a few times ma point gets taken but ah must be unlucky this weather they dont call back.
Might change ma name tae Charlie,he’s oan every night.
fergus slayed the blues
4 November, 2011 at 19:09
Cheers always like tae see quality in whatever guise.
Paul, your last 3 words “fit and proper”?
Do you know if Craig Whyte ever went through one of those to gain control of Rangers?
SFFS
Murderwell
We will do them on Sunday and let them know just WHO Celtic FC is
KINGLuBO
fergus
We are going round in circles re Sammi,
I believe that the referees have a massive influence on the outcome of our games, players that are presently at the club are at the club cos we have been downsizing, they are good at times, not so good other times, if we want a player who when a bit off form still does the business we will have to pay for him, unfortunatly we won’t do that, we are playing the jam tommorow game, and when it comes off, it’s a decent earner, but from where I sit, it hasn’t happened yet.
The players we have are decent enough, but their mental strength is probably suspect, not a slight on the players, just an observation.
Top quality costs money we don’t have.
Great article Paul.
Articles like these are the reason your website is so vital.
If 500 people read this – and all tell 10 people, who in turn tell people you have nearly filled Celtic Park of people in the know with no thanks for the so called national ‘media’.
Well done big man
Terry
Try calling in as John Kennedy fae Coocaddens:o)
B.t.w. Torontony is quiet these days.
Sky Sports 1 – N.I. v Scotland (under 16’s).
THE EXILED TIM says:
4 November, 2011 at 18:57
Just got the impression Sammi played well because he had a fraction more room. He is at his best when running with the ball and at CP he seldom has anything other than a standing start.
BTW, last provided one of the very few occasions when a Celtic striker anticipated a sammi head flick correctly.
Sky Sports 1 – N.I. v Scotland (under 16′s).
5 of the starting line-up Celtic bhoys.
praecepta says:
4 November, 2011 at 19:40
Baggio’s son playing – that makes me feel old!
fritzsong
If you watched Henke he would make run after run in the anticipation of a good through ball, and when it paid off invariably he scored, players like him are quality we are bereft of these days.
Sammi is Sammi, he is superb on ocassion, he is woefull on ocassion, if he was superb most of the time, he wouldn’t be at Celtic park, that’s my whole point, we have players who are good, just not good all the time.
Personally I think it very stupid to be forecasting 3 n 4 nil wins on Sunday,it will be a tough,tough game playing uphill against the establishment backed mullet on the worst pitch in the league but I have hope,yon wee thing wae feathers that perches upon yer soul.
A win will do.
THE EXILED TIM says:
4 November, 2011 at 19:48
Sammi is Sammi, he is superb on ocassion
When dealing in days compared to weeks or months – you would hardly say a leap year comes around ‘occassionally’….
Fergus. I think that we all agree that Sammi has the ability, but often it doesn’t manifest itself on the pitch. I think that a good part of the reason is that he is asked to play as a target man/striker, which he is not – for example for his 7 minutes against Hibs, he was the recipient of high punts. He’s not that type of player; he’s not Chris Sutton, he’s best running into space. A change in position can make the difference between a journeyman (Bobby Murdoch playing inside right) and a world class player (Bobby Murdoch as a right-half; anyone who doesn’t understand these terms, ask your grandfather!). Now Sammi is not a world class player, but he is capable of better, and I think that his best comes played wide, and deeper.
But it’s not just him. It depends how the rest of the team fits together. Playing Paddy and later Commons in midfield also helped.
It could be that Sammi is just not right for the SPL, and may not even be right for the Motherwell game. But he’s a good card to have in the pack – if you play him properly. But I agree that putting the same formation out against Motherwell may not be the solution (or it may, who knows). Still, Sammi gives us our money’s worth, if only in terms of discussion and argument!
I’m encouraged after Thursday, but NL has shown inconsistency tactically. Great against Udinese, poor against almost everyone since. I have my fingers crossed, and I’m hoping that the swallow we saw on Thursday might yet make a summer.
Anyway, I’m signing off to worry about the weather here. 7 killed in Genoa today because of bad weather, on top of another 7 dead just down the coast last week. When it rains here, it rains.
bjmac says:
4 November, 2011 at 19:45
praecepta says:
4 November, 2011 at 19:40
Baggio’s son playing – that makes me feel old!
Fergus coming into CP as Marcus (last night) was coming into the world makes me feel even older! :-(
A good few ‘posters’ are ’missing in action’ after last nights game! No doubt they have their ‘unreason’s’, however, unless i read on this site their ‘act of contrition’ for the unwarranted and ‘unsubstantiated’ diatribe they spewed on these ‘hallowed’ pages, i will be forced to ‘out” them’! The ‘first initials’ of their ‘handles’ can be found in the ‘Phonic Alphabet’