We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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Apricale says:
4 November, 2011 at 19:54
Inside right/right half?
My two granda’s passed on ,you are an auld codger,whit does it mean ?
B B
Stokes hatrick 33/1? WHEEESHT!!!
EWO
So what’s the answer ?
Why don’t we buy Pedro from Barca in the window.
Sammi is at Celtic cos he obviously isn’t consistent enough for a top club.
We expect players who play for Celtic to be world beaters, it ain’t gonna happen for the forseable, we are on a downward spiral, we have bosmans, freebies and players costing very little in the grand scale of things, cos that’s where we are.
The players we have are well capable of winning the league, but that depends on a level playing field, temprement costs money, mental strength costs money, all round quality cost money we don’t have, unfortunatly the combination of cheats who oficiate our games and sub standard players are our lot.
Good evening chums, good result for the Bhoys last night, let’s kick on now, starting with the team managed by the ‘Haircut That Time Forgot’.
Hey ghuys,less of the hat trick for Stokes ,and 4-0 scores lines
against the Motherwell flute bands.
1-0 to us ,will do me .
donttempfateiknowitsalotofcrapC.S.C
THE EXILED TIM says:
4 November, 2011 at 20:06
What’s all this ‘we’ve nae money ‘patter,heard you got a winner last night.
Celtic are entitled – given past experience – to expect kicks, trips, barges and one long term injury on Sunday with minimal intervention by officials.
Bada Bing 18:17
Hey Jude 20:03
Not sure about Sunday, would be delighted with him being the only goal scorer with one but this is a bet I like.
Anthony Stokes still 8/1 to be top SPL goal scorer.
The current leader is hopefully laid up with injury (thanks Karma, knew you would come good) and the other fella from his team a possible candidate for a fire sale, no that they would outscore our man anyway.
EN
Evening Celtic friends.
How’s the craic tonight ?
Spirits lifted after last nights gutsy performance.
VP
I meant the collective we, if you noticed the I word was never used, 900 euros wouldn’t even buy PL’s carry oots for a week.
It will buy my carry oots for the next month :>)
Did the G B get any hassel last night??
TET
I’m old enough to offer the opinion that whilst we’ve always been cheated what we’ve seen in recent years has eclipsed all that went before.
I don’t believe Big Jock experienced what we’re all experiencing now. Clearly we’re in a Save The Hun situation which wasn’t a requirement back in Jock’s time.
I wonder how Jock would react to what we’re having to deal with now.
Saying put the ball in the net more times than the opposition wouldn’t cut it nowadays.
Pretty decent site
http://tictactic.co.uk/
Returned to work this week after a long period absent due to sickness.
Bhoy does work interefere with your blogging.
Anyway good result last night and at this time the results are all that counts.
Wasn’t overly impressed with the performance, first half especially.
BUT I’LL TAKE WINNING UGLY RIGHT NOW.
MWD happy as a pig in poo.
THE EXILED TIM says:
4 November, 2011 at 20:13
Glad you got a winner,go easy now:O)
G64
One of the bhoys posted the ‘come out ya black n tans’ from Treme,
earlier.
huns will be wanting ,billy boys on next week to even things up.
Bhoy, worked seemed a happier place today!! So much easier after a wee victory!
Good to be the weekend and to start it off we are back with the Friday nite footie quiz.
See you all around 9pm.
HH
CRC
Moonbeams
I’m not surprised you’ve had a bad illness,wallowing like a pig in poo.
good to see you well again.
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/
No idea if they did, but certainly didn’t spoil their noise Again superb atmosphere after the first 20 mins, reminiscent of the “big” Euro nights at Parkhead.
Earlier post – any ideas?
Spotted at last night’s game – Duffield.
Anyone know why he was in a hospitality box behind the press section?
Hmmmmmm!
THE EXILED TIM says:
4 November, 2011 at 20:06
No one is asking for world beaters.
Honest tryers and players who give their all is all we ‘expect’ and rightly so.
I would have James Keatings in the 1st team before I would have Samaras – atleast we know Keatings will improve with each game he plays.
Enjoying reading so many positive comments about Sammi although fully expect the usual negativity to return at the slightest excuse and that will probably be very soon.
Guess what? Neither trend will affect nor change Sammi as a player, although continued positives could help. Players apparently need a run of games to help their performances – surely a run of positive support from our loud fans wouldn’t be a bad thing either?
Sammi is a footballer, through and through, it’s all he want’s to be and, seemingly, with us at CP.
I’m a fan of Sammi just as I feel the same frustrations as most others at some of his performances. The question must be why?
He is tall
He is well-built
He is strong
He is unusually quick for such a big man
He is even more unusually skillful for such a big guy So, where does it go wrong?
Two possiblities
Flair players just can’t maintain the same level, week in, week out. I’ve watched Wee Jinky sometimes, not often, and thought I could do better and I was rubbish and knew it. Most of the time I simply regarded him as someone from another planet.
I have posted before, on more than one occasion, about our tendency to sign competent (or better) players and then expect them to desert what they are good at and have built careers upon and fit into our team plan by filling a role for which they are not suited.
Sammi will play wherever he is asked to, he just wants the chance to play and will always put in maximum effort – even when he knows he is in the wrong position. For that he should be commended, not condemned.
He is not the one man up front, but will always do his best, sometimes with great effect.
He is not a wide player – see above for the rest.
He is like Beram and Viktor, a roaming midfielder who can defend, better than our CBs, and attack although I believe Sammi is better at picking a forward pass. OK, it doesn’t always come off, so what?
Many on here love to warble on about playing the Celtic way. Sammi, in my eyes, certainly tries to do that.
If we can’t find a way to make best use of his talent it is certainly not his fault.
Build a winning team on a regular basis? We have the players, just play them in their best positions, let them gel and teach them how to defend set pieces! Sammi is also best at that! Why is so much criticism directed at him?
Who Knows, who cares?
Cheers
Alex
EDB
I have often had the same thought myself, and I couldn’t honestly answer your question.
Operation Save the hun is so in your face it’s laughable, but they get away with it, maybe the law will now take it’s course and the hun will be rendered a wounded animal for a few years, but I have no doubt that the self same operation will be ongoing to get them back on top, we can’t win in scotland.
I come from a family who cared not a jot for football, I remember asking my Da in the late 60’s why he didn’t like football, his reply, why would I give my money to a team when only one team is sure to win [the hun ]
Big Jock was a unique man, he had a vision that very few men on the planet have had, his like are few and far between, I am gratefull that I lived through his time with us.
Our board are working on getting us out, of this I have no doubt, tis only a matter of time.
Vote for the Greatest manager from Scotland, England & that.
Can only be one winner…
Praecepta 20:29
Theres always a lot of folk collecting for charity at Celtic games…
EN
watch
stay for 50 years Neil
Good evening CQN
Any of the financial literates among us tell me what this http://rangerstaxcase.com/2011/11/02/borrow/comment-page-13/#comment-22284 means?
SwanseaBhoy
EWO
The majority of posters who don’t rate Sammi nearly to a man think his best atribute is he never hides, he tries his hardest, you obviously don’t think he does going by your post.
We are where we are cos of the downsizing, the players do try their best, I will repeat untill the cows come home, the referees have the biggest influence on our team, sort the cheats we will prevail, everything else is secondary.
We are in the spl hell, where footballers are not allowed.
And…..have to say I thoroughly enjoyed being at the game last night.
I could pick apart this or that about the performance but the main feeling I had as I departed Celtic Park was the utter joy in being a Celtic fan.
We forget how privileged we are sometimes.
Looking forward to Sunday already – Mon the Hoops.
SwanseaBhoy
TET
There are a number of CQNers I’d love to meet and have a beer or ten with and you’re way up the list.
Did you have a beer with Auldheid earlier in the week?
Evening bhoys,a couple of articles ago there was a post with a freeze frame of ratboy doing the aberdeen player,
anyone remember where it was?
AAFG says:
4 November, 2011 at 20:32
I dont usually respond with such vigour to bloggers or their posts as I feel compelled to do here and big man dont take it personally because I dont mean it that way – but that is just pure, unadulterated guff.
The biggest pile of guff I think I have ever read on here.
Your rousing defence of Samaras flies in the face of the biggest thing cases are usually based on – facts.
The only part I can agree with, is you saying he is not a lone striker or a wide man. however you should have continued by naming every position on the football field.
He has played as a lone striker and not scored, with a dozens of partners and not scored, on the right and on the left and not scored.
He has played on good pitches and not scored and he has played on bad pitches and not scored.
He has played in good weather and not scored and he has played in scottish weather and not scored.
He has played against good opposition and not scored but most often and almost every single week, he has played against woeful, close to semi professional opposition – and NOT SCORED.
anyone wishing to denounce my post feel free, that is the beauty of this blog.
I probably wont respond – because everything that can be said is ‘see above with reference to non scoring striker’.
On reading back the Craig White interview, the following answer is astonishing
“CW – I decided when I took over the club, that while I would address media imbalance, I would start with a clean slate, and expect the same in return. After seeing Mr Spiers’ involvement in the BBC Documentary, we were considering whether to withdraw all press privileges, but decided against it, as we were of the view that his influence and readership is not significant enough to trouble us.”
So its not if its right or wrong, its the size of the audience that determines who you decide to censor.
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ says:
4 November, 2011 at 20:13
Yes, now a common occurrance, at every game and it’s Police not the stewards.
Nirvana night on BBC4 from 9 o’clock.
A lttle taster from unplugged.
something in the way
Estadio Nacional says:
4 November, 2011 at 20:38
Something wrong with that poll,don’t see wiley walter’s name.
EWO
at the game last night ??
seen much of Keatings ??
St Paul
what a majestic post. Just back from the gowf.
Nowhere to run to, baby, they got nowhere to hide…..
goodmorningvietnamcsc
….PFayr says:
4 November, 2011 at 20:51
Have also seen every one of his previous 62 games, which yielded 6 goals from 4 of those games.