We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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1. Which London club did Martin O’Neill finish his playing career at? chesterfield
2 How much did Kenny Dalglish cost Liverpool when he left the Hoops£440,000
3 Which 2 English clubs did John Collins play for? Everton fulham
4 What season did Paul Lambert sign for the Hoops? 97/98
5 How many times did Celtic win the League cup under Jock Stein’s management? ,5
6 Who managed Celtic from 1897 to 1940? maley
7 Which Lisbon Lion started his football career with Queens Park as a 14 year old Bertie Auld
Round 1: If You know your history?
(2pts per correct answer if you are first to answer correctly, 1pt if you answer correctly but not first. Remember one submission only per round)
1 Which London club did Martin O’Neill finish his playing career at? Wycombe
2 How much did Kenny Dalglish cost Liverpool when he left the Hoops(£250,000, £375,000, £440,000 or 550,000)
440k
3 Which 2 English clubs did John Collins play for?
Everton & Fulham
4 What season did Paul Lambert sign for the Hoops?
1998
5 How many times did Celtic win the League cup under Jock Stein’s management? (3,4,5 or 6)
3
6 Who managed Celtic from 1897 to 1940?
Willie Maley
7 Which Lisbon Lion started his football career with Queens Park as a 14 year old?
Wallce
Using phone as my internet connection so apologies for delay, I’d be quicker openin’ the windae and shouting ma answers to ye, CRC!
hh
Steinreignedsupreme says:
4 November, 2011 at 14:56
A bit late to acknowlege but succinctly expressed sentiments with which I fully concur!
Keep the Faith!
CRC
1 FULHAM
2 £440K
3 FULHAM AND EVERTON
4 97-98
5 6
6 WILLIE MALEY
7 RONNIE SIMPSON
bjmac says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:11
Ha ha wait till the pic round !!
I do know how to spell acknowledge btw!!
Marc Crosas response to Big Rogne telling him that he’d be better off in Glasgow –
https://twitter.com/marccrosas/status/132564187753885696
Hail! Hail!
DavieL
lads i know the oul quiz is in full swing but has anyone a link to last nites highlights,only caught the last half hour
prestonpans
My grandson said its getting worse every week and Saturday was really bad. Polis shoved a young Bhoy against the steps and he broke 2 fingers.
P L & co need to be told whats going on.
bjmac says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:11
Paddy McCourt…………………….sing it……………..
Answers to round 1
Fulham
£440,000
Everton
1997-98
6
Willie Maley
Ronnie Simpson
I am Neil Lennon on a celticrollercoaster says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:13
Firstly I should get double points for the answers I give as I cannae cheat like everyone else ;-)
Secondly, can you get the wife to hold the pictures up at your bedroom window, then I’ll see them ok :-)
hh
Scores after round 1
setting free the bears 16
Bobby Murdoch’s Curled Up Winkelpickers 8
lostinbonnybridge 8
Jobo Baldie 6
pracepta 6
Celtic Champs Elect 6
Seven Fishes Four Steaks 5
prestonpansbhoy 5
bjmac 4.5
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother 4.5
the long wait is over 3.5
thomthethim says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:10
Does anyone else know your ‘revelation’ because it doesnt seem like many peopleactually know that
http://www.celticfc.net/player.php?id=3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Samaras
Can you also let Wenger know, because he was also mistaken when he had his shortlist of replacements for Henry and Samaras was on it.
C’mon pal – catch a grip (unless ofcourse you were taking the michael and I didnt catch it….!?)
EWO
not on the wind up mate
i agree Sammy is far from consistent …it would be difficult to name a CFC player who has been consistent
as for Keatings i have never seen the youngster play …i was interested in your observation …btw my pet hate is posters calling for the inclusion of players they have never seen, particularly when these players are youngsters with no first team experience
Round 2: Name the team that the current Celtic loanees are currently playing for?
(2pts per correct answer if you are first to answer correctly, 1pt if you answer correctly but not first. One submission only per round)
1) Josh Hooiveld
2) Nial McGinn
3) Efrain Juarez
4) Daryl Murphy
5) Darren O’Dea
6) Morten Rasmussen
7) Josh Thompson
8) Richie Towell
bjmac
I canny cheat either,not with my Dad’s valve-operated laptop and a 0.63Mb BROADBAND.
TALKTALK should be ashamed of themselves.
It took three attempts to post my answers,and this is now the second try at this post!
Ex Ludo says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:01
Treme is on Sky atlantic tonight at ten,2nd series almost finished.
Same makers as The wire,with a couple of actors from same show.
Steve Earle was busking on show but got shot last week by mugger.
played a good part .
PF
was one who I have now managed to turn towards the light when it came to Joe Ledley..
I know #i have a harder task to turn more toward big Sammi…
but what do I know,, it’s only my opinion against yours…
we are all entitled to an opinion,,,
I disagree when we decry a Celtic player because we where never good enough to live the dream…
Round 2: Name the team that the current Celtic loanees are currently playing for?
(2pts per correct answer if you are first to answer correctly, 1pt if you answer correctly but not first. One submission only per round)
1) Josh Hooiveld – Southhampton
2) Nial McGinn Brentford
3) Efrain Juarez real Zaragosa
4) Daryl Murphy Ipswich
5) Darren O’Dea Leeds
6) Morten Rasmussen Sivassipor
7) Josh Thompson Stockport
8) Richie Towell -Hibs
Josh Hooiveld-Soton
2) Nial McGinn-brentford
3) Efrain Juarez-Espanyol
4) Daryl Murphy-Ipswich
5) Darren O’Dea-Leeds
6) Morten Rasmussen-Mainz
7) Josh Thompson-Peterboro
8) Richie Towell -Hibs
share
for the record (not that one )
I agree regards Sammi in the Celtic
Noticed Paddy had a couple of lumps on his neck last night. Best get that checked out A S A P Paddy.
1 southampton
2 brentford
3 zaragoza
4 ipswich
5 leeds
6 sivassapor
7 peterboro
8 hibs
1) Josh Hooiveld doncaster
2) Nial McGinn doncaster
3) Efrain Juarez doncaster
4) Daryl Murphy doncaster
5) Darren O’Dea doncaster
6) Morten Rasmussen hertha berlin
7) Josh Thompson doncaster
8) Richie Towell doncaster
ImgoingtostartgooglingCSC
4 November, 2011 at 21:19
Round 2: Name the team that the current Celtic loanees are currently playing for?
(2pts per correct answer if you are first to answer correctly, 1pt if you answer correctly but not first. One submission only per round)
1) Josh Hooiveld SOUTHAMPTON
2) Nial McGinn BRENTFORD
3) Efrain Juarez REAL ZARAGOZA-sp
4) Daryl Murphy
5) Darren O’Dea LEEDS U
6) Morten Rasmussen MAINZ
7) Josh Thompson DONCASTER
8) Richie Towell HIBS
Round 2 –
1. Southampton
3. Real Zaragossa
5. Leeds
8. Hibs
More to follow…
ThomTheThim
I was wandering around in the dark then but meeting up with Noel90 changed my life forever:o)
Hope he’s looking in.
2. Brentford
7. Chsterfield
1) Josh Hooiveld – Southampton
2) Nial McGinn – Brentford
3) Efrain Juarez – Zarragoza
4) Daryl Murphy – Ipswich
5) Darren O’Dea – Leeds
6) Morten Rasmussen – Silvasspor
7) Josh Thompson – Peterboro
8) Richie Towell – Hibs
1) Josh Hooiveld southampton
2) Nial McGinn brentford
3) Efrain Juarez zaragosa
4) Daryl Murphy ipswitch
5) Darren O’Dea leeds
6) Morten Rasmussen aalborg
7) Josh Thompson doncaster
8) Richie Towell hibs
6. Some Turkish mob?
4. Ipswich
All done now!
Round 2: Name the team that the current Celtic loanees are currently playing for?
(2pts per correct answer if you are first to answer correctly, 1pt if you answer correctly but not first. One submission only per round)
1) Josh Hooiveld Southampton
2) Nial McGinn Brentford
3) Efrain Juarez Zaragosa
4) Daryl Murphy Ipswich
5) Darren O’Dea Leeds
6) Morten Rasmussen Svisspor
7) Josh Thompson Peterborough
8) Richie Towell hibees
1) Josh Hooiveld southhampton
2) Nial MGinn no idea
3) Efrain Juarez Zaragoza
4) Daryl Murphy Ipswich
5) Darren O’Dea leeds
6) Morten Rasmussen Sivasspor
7) Josh Thompson Peterborough United
8) Richie Towell hibs
Cheat?
Moi!
Southhampton
Brentford
Zaragosa
Ipswich
Leeds Utd
Sivasipor
Stockport
Hibees
U16’s – N.I. 2 v Scotland 1.
Like an episode of casualty – ICT v Minis.
New SFA Performance Director Jan Valters (sp) to paraphrase said: too much long ball, poor passing, late tackles – lack of technique.
Answers to round 2
Southampton
Brentford
Real Zaragoza
Ipswich Town
Leeds Utd
Sivasspor
Peterborough Utd
Hibs