We gave STV credit on Wednesday for their reporting on SPL voting process required to decide what to do if a new company applies to join the league after an existing team ceases to exist (through prepack or other means).
I subsequently noticed in the same article they suggest Leeds United went into liquidation and returned with a phoenix prepack. This is incorrect. Leeds United, then in administration, were sold in 2007 to Ken Bates’ newly formed company, with Bates agreeing a deal with creditors. Leeds were, therefore, only liable for the statutory 10 point penalty for entering administration, although the league increased the punishment to 15 points as the club failed to follow correct administration procedure.
I don’t wish to harangue STV on what was an article with genuine information but they cite Leeds as a precedent: “there is no guarantee that the Scottish Premier League would act in the same way as their counterparts in England but the similarities between the regulations mean that the precedent may be used as a guide”.
If I was Rangers right now I would be trying to convince everyone that putting a football club out of existence, only to allow another company to pick up its league share, with a points total calculated from the position of the former club, is similar to a common administration. It’s not. This would be a completely different scenario.
Having discussed this matter with many people throughout the game and the media, I can find no precedent for a football club going out of existence and phoenix-ing back into the same league spot.
Airdrieonians failed in 2008, when the owners of Clydebank FC moved to Airdrie and renamed to Airdrie United. Gretna FC were voted into the space created by the absence of Airdrieonians (then a Second Division team), but entered at the bottom of the Scottish Football League.
Gretna failed in 2008 and a new club based at the same ground successfully applied for membership of the East of Scotland Football League. Annan Athletic entered the bottom rung of the Scottish Football League after Gretna’s demise, not into the First Division spot Gretna were unable to fulfil. Third Lanark were in the bottom division of the Scottish Football League when they were replaced by Clydebank.
Gretna-Annan, Clydebank-Gretna, Third Lanark-Clydebank are the only precedents that exist. If you fail, the team that replaces you joins the bottom rung of the Scottish senior league structure, there have been no exceptions, in Scotland or in England.
The SFA have a say in this matter also. They must ratify any decision of the SPL board and grant a licence to a new club before if can play in the SPL or Scottish Football League. The national association is made up of member clubs, most of whom stand to gain considerably if a Rangers Newco FC were to enter the Scottish Football League.
Irrespective of the SPL’s decision, the SFA better have some pretty good lawyers if they deviate from precedent. The football authorities have a duty to ensure their competitions observe meritocratic and moral correctness. It’s only ‘fit and proper.
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….PFayr says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:17
Ok, well based on the evidence of 6 goals in 62 games, there is only 5 possibilites – or less than a 10% chance our kids could have produced a worse goalscoring record.
These kids are there for a reason, they are considered to be among the best for their age.
Do you reckon they would or could have done worse than Samaras has (consider the ‘small games’ as well as big games he has let us down in).
One of my opinions, is Celtic could have a 1st team squad of 10 handsomly paid ‘quality’ players and then the rest filled with out with our kids. Young Fraser coming on at the age of 17, a young O’Dea in Milan, a young Marshall in Barcelona tells me the quantifiable difference between them and our current ‘squad’ players isnt that great and that these bhoys can do it if given the opportunity.
We have 3 right backs – ok 1 is a kid, but the other 2 are picking up decent wages and they aint much better than that kid is now.
We have half a dozen centre halves and in my opinion none of them very good – all picking up decent wages.
We have a massive, massive squad – all on decent wages, with only a couple what I would consider as ‘outstanding’.
I accept my theory could be blown completely out of the water, for example in the face of our current injury crisis; but the majority of our games are against fellow ‘kids’ who have just been thrust into a 1st team with one or two ‘senior’ players. Motherwell are an example – so how much worse off would we be?
My point with Keatings is that kids improve with 1st team experience – thats pretty much an agreed fact with all in football. Samaras hasnt and wont improve a single percent in all those games.
That aint progressing. Thats standing still.
Maybe it all falls down because its quite heavily based on ‘hope’, I realise – id rather watch the Cel’ic in hope than in present knowledge.
Eyes Wide Open says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:17
Only going by what the man said himself when asked the question.
Because he was played as a striker, according to Wiki, only underlines the fact that he was played out of position.
He is an attacking midfielder and a good one.
Scores after round 2
setting free the bears 30
lostinbonnybridge 15
pracepta 14
Seven Fishes Four Steaks 13
Bobby Murdoch’s Curled Up Winkelpickers 13
bjmac 12.5
prestonpansbhoy 12
Celtic Champs Elect 12
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother 11.5
Jobo Baldie 10
the long wait is over 3.5
Hmmmmmmmm’
Can I request a slight change to the rules,like a bonus if the player was EVER on loan at the club I gave as the answer?
LosingtrackoftimeCSC
can we ban sftb…………….
Right bhoy, I’ll tell SFTB we are on a break!!
Bjmac, starting looking out the windae!!
Round 3: The Celtic Picture Board
Name the players that are currently on the books of Celtic
(2pts per correct answer if you are first to answer correctly, 1pt if you answer correctly but not first. One submission only per round)
http://i44.tinypic.com/zm00sz.jpg
prestonpans bhoys
My cheque for overdue quiz taxes is in the post
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:31
You got your points query in quick enough, ya rascal….
TalkTalk are magic compared to this
hh
towell is at hibs but on our books
stokes
wanyama
commons
loovens
mulgrew
Towell
Stokes
Wanyama
Commons
Hooper
Loovens
towell stokes wanyama commons loovens mulgrew
setting free the bears says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:32
at least you pay them unlike………………
stokes
commons
mulgrew
loovens
ElDiegoBhoy says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:23
ThomTheThim
I was wandering around in the dark then but meeting up with Noel90 changed my life forever:o)
Hope he’s looking in.
He’s never far away. I can feel his presence!
Noel does have a life changing effect on people.
He sent me a text today, telling me that his wee lad fell asleep on his lap. He took him upstairs and put him down.
He went back down stairs to relax for half an hour, but the other bus passengers threatened to report him!
That’s Mr.90–all heart.
WTF
My Mum just said-I thought you would be going down to the pub.
See ya!
BMCUWP who loves his Mum……..
Towell
stokesy
VICTOR
Commons
Glenda
The Babysitter Cha
1.
2. Hooper
3. Wanyama
4. Commons
5. Mulgrew
6. Loovens
Jobo
Towell
Stokes
Wanyama
Commons
Mulgrew
Loovens
1. Towell
2. Stokes
3. Victor
4. Chris Commons
5. Chas Mulgrew
6. Glenda
Samaras- an attacking midfielder played out of position? I would buy into that theory.
Towell
Stokes
Victor 67
Commons
Mulgrew
Loovens
Towell
Stokes
Wanayama
Mulgrew
Loovens
Commons
CRC
Yer Mrs got the order of the last two photos wrong and tell her to get some clothes on…. ;-)
meant to add that tonight’s quiz effort is being sponsored (cough) by Brahma – cerveja do Brasil sinds 1888.
jobo
ThomThe Thim
I recall a photo of the wee fella Noel posted.
Think he must have taken his mum’s looks:o)
Towell
Stokes
Wanayama
no idea again!!
Loovens
Commons
ttt
In all honesty it’s no hard to see what’s going down, and I believe most see it, but they don’t want to cos it’s far too scary to contemplate, so they avert their eyes.
For long enough the club have kept a dignified silence in the knowledge that they were on a loser, the hun have self inflicted their own wounds, the club have been waiting for the oportunity and the time is now.
DD is a squilionair cos he is a shrewed man, the long game will out.
bjmac says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:38
Right Im going out to have a look :-)
CRC
If Sammy is a midfielder why does Lenny (and his previous managers at Celtic and other clubs) play him up front?? Also why did Sammy sign a new contract if he’s constantly played out of position, and spends the majority of the time on the bench. Strange very strange.
Quiz dead easy tonight!! Im getting them right as well :-)
Answers
Richie Towell
Anthony Stokes
Victor Wanyama
Kris Commons
Charlie Mulgrew
Glenn Loovens
Swlanex ferguson 25 years with ManU, how many times did he beat Celtic?
Beautiful, beautiful Celtic.
Great times, great great times.
Scores after round 3
setting free the bears 35
Celtic Champs Elect 24
lostinbonnybridge 21
pracepta 20
Seven Fishes Four Steaks 19
bjmac 18.5
Neil Lennon Is A Celtic Soul Brother 17.5
prestonpansbhoy 17
Jobo Baldie 15
Bobby Murdoch’s Curled Up Winkelpickers 13
the long wait is over 7.5
baldybhoy 6
Ten minutes break
Everyone, there will be a 30secs break in the quiz while CRC goes up stairs… ;-)
Hooper? Hooper? I meant Stokes, obviously…
*hangs head in shame*
jobo
I’m behind bjac………………..meer drink pl………………….
Heard that Michael Owen is launching a new aftershave for Christmas.
It’s called My Cologne.
Jobo
Treme sky atlantic
http://youtu.be/clvni7i9sIw
prestonpans bhoys says:
4 November, 2011 at 21:46
You should be used to that by now, JT – that happens eveyr week we’re both on ;-)
You going Sunday?