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It will surprise no one that Uefa have charged our football club with “the displaying of an offensive banner and setting off of fireworks [sic]by fans”, this action was as inevitable as the dawn.  At least some of our number believes setting off flares in a football stadium is a reasonable action and that provoking European football’s governing body is a smart thing to do.

In terms of protest, “**** Uefa” is not quite up there with Martin Luther’s Thesis or what we’ve witnessed in the Arab world this year.  It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.

Forget calls to self-police, I’ve never seen it work with a football support.  Ever.  If you think you are going to convince anyone the folly of profane banners, flares or even IRA chanting at a football game, save your breath.  Those who are up for the protest (whatever the subject is) are more likely to find your call for restraint as complicity.

This series of protest and consequence will run for years, will split the support and damage Celtic.  Neither the club nor the support has the leadership to do anything about it.  Copy and paste the thoughts you write on the subject, you can use them again without having to retype.





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  2. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Celtic_First says:

     

    19 December, 2011 at 13:04

     

     

    denying lies wherever they occur shame your not on the board mate so that I can tell my grandchildren to inform their grandchildren that Celtic will indeed one day to start to act even half way honourably

     

     

    Yeah it has now became a battle between Murray and Whyte. Murray has his establishment cronies on his side but Whyte has the welfare of Scotland’s most beloved on his … not to be sneezed at my friend I would assert.

     

     

    Whyte seems to have always rustled up the money …. I wonder if DD is somewhere down the food chain ? ;-)

     

     

    I agree with you and I would add it has been better than the entertainment passed as football that they should be sued for.

     

     

    Hail HAil

  3. Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on

    Tom Devine from the Herlad:

     

     

     

    The flawed, ambiguous and unnecessary Offensive Behaviour at Football Matches Bill is now on the statute book.

     

     

     

    There is therefore little further point in rehearsing again its many weaknesses. Iain Macwhirter has already dealt with these comprehensively (“This dumb unjust law is Salmond’s first own goal”, The Herald, December 15).

     

     

    The issue now is where to go from here. The Herald has outlined part of the way forward in general constitutional terms by encouraging debate on how scrutiny of newly passed legislation at Holyrood might be improved for the benefit of our democracy.

     

     

    But there remains the more specific problem which the Bill was intended to partly address, though the term is not even mentioned throughout its many clauses and sub-clauses: the thorny question of sectarianism in Scotland.

     

     

    Irish Catholics and Protestants settled throughout the world over many generations, however ours is the only jurisdiction which has anti-sectarian legislation in its criminal codes in 2011. This suggests that there are specific Scottish issues which need to be addressed.

     

     

    Understanding what these are will be vital and indeed the sine qua non for the implementation of any effective long-term strategy to root out the disease once and for all. Yet convincing analysis of the problem, even within the academic community, remains thin, shallow, partial and contested. At one extreme, some social scientists argue that sectarianism in Scotland is a myth; at the other, the Catholic Church asserts that the issue is not sectarianism at all but, in the words of the Cardinal Archbishop of Edinburgh, “blatant anti-Catholicism”. In between these two poles sits the Justice Committee of the Scottish Parliament which concluded after its lengthy deliberations on the aforesaid Bill that it could not even define the term sectarianism.

     

     

    Such intellectual confusion on such a pressing and important challenge for public policy can only be addressed by careful and through investigation which is prepared with honesty and transparency to face all the relevant questions without fear or favour.

     

     

    Such a review, comprising an appropriate membership, should not be like the Royal Commissions of old (famously criticised by Harold Wilson “for taking years taking minutes”) but time-limited, authoritative and credible with its terms of reference subject to all-party consent within the Parliament.

     

     

    I know that some senior members of the SNP favoured such an approach before the Government embarked on its recent legal adventuring. It is not too late to began such a process now. Only such a wide-ranging inquiry can hope to lay the intellectual and evidential foundations for a reasoned and just way forward on this age-old problem.

     

     

    TM Devine,

     

    Senior Research Professor in History,

     

    University of Edinburgh.

  5. jock tamson on

    i’m quite ambivalent.

     

     

    i abhor the glorification of, well, you know who…

     

     

    and i abhor those who would deprive the freedom of speech to express admiration for them.

     

     

    i do wonder though, should UEFA impose sanctions against those expressions… isn’t there a court of human rights that are bound to advocate freedo of poitical opinion. if only we knew a QC.

  8. david.axiom on

    It wasn’t so long ago that we all sat with smug grins reading about the huns being punished for the behavior of their halfwit fans. Now I thought the game was that if we toed the line, we made them look worse. We were playing that game pretty damn well for a while, earning our support plaudits across Europe for the way in which we conduct ourselves. How can we have been so stupid as to have been sucked into this mess? It is a fact that we were and continue to be persecuted by the SFA and the media in Scotland, but up until now UEFA have been on our side. Regardless of how you feel about how our songs are interpreted, singing them is hurting our club, and letting THEM off the hook in their weakest state. Argue all you like that we have a right to sing them, but do so in an appropriate legal forum and leave it off the stands before we become the halfwits.

  10. ohits on

    Bhoys

     

     

    Does it make much difference if its Gollum on the 28th , look at their last 2 home games a penalty for a dive against Dunfermline the player then gets a 2 match ban for simulation , result 2 points gained.

     

     

    Saturday versus ICT 2 penalties for Caley denied and a debatable offside against Foran , result another 2 points at least gained.

     

     

    We need to keep up the pressure on these repribates regardless who it is.

  11. Steinreignedsupreme on

    ernie lynch: 19 December, 2011 at 13:04

     

     

    To answer your question – I think they went on strike because Hugh Dallas told them to go on strike after Steven Craven decided to resign.

     

     

    I’ll ask you again – do you think our manager is to blame for the situation we are in with UEFA?

  13. philvisreturns on

    Gordon_J – I read the MacWhirter piece. This bit sums it up:

     

     

    Anyway, there are worse things than singing Up the ‘Ra at a football match. Using the law for political purposes is one of them. This legislation is otiose, contradictory, authoritarian, subjective, illiberal, anti-democratic and contrary to internationally accepted definitions of basic human rights. It is threatening and offensive to freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of thought and to personal liberty. It hands discretionary powers to the police that are wholly inappropraite in any civilised society, effectively giving individual officers the power to deprive people of their liberty if they don’t like the way they are behaving.

     

     

    It should be remembered at the next election that every single SNP MSP voted for this.

     

     

    (thumbsup)

  14. Celtic_First on

    Awe Naw

     

     

    Wherever the cash is coming from, he cannot keep going back for more.

     

     

    My guess today is that he will give it a go until January to see if he can raise cash through player sales.

     

     

    If he doesn’t, and if the FTT concludes, it’s surely all over.

     

     

    Even if he does bring in a few million, Rangers fans must be concerned that he could just call time when the cash arrives to have more to waltz off with. I guess HMRC will be happy to let them bring that cash in so that they can arrest it.

     

     

    Hail hail to you too.

  15. ernie lynch on

    Paul67

     

     

    I can’t help noticing there are an awful lot of spelling mistakes appearing on the site.

     

     

    Now I know that nowadays in these easy go lucky times of moral, and every other sort of, relativism people aren’t as concerned about such matters as they once were, but this sort of thing might be regarded as an embarrassment to some involved in the leadership of the Club.

     

     

    Perhaps you should ask people to be more careful in future, if not for their own sakes, at least for the sake of the Club.

  16. The Honest Mistake on

    hen1rik 19 December, 2011 at 13:09:

     

    I posted earlier about a perfect storm that is going to hit Celtic on the 28th.

     

    To me it looks planned. The outcome will be arrests, action against Celtic and act as a distraction and will weaken Celtic’s position to act against the problem developing across the city.

     

    If I were involved in a plan to make this happen, I would try and rile the Celtic support before the 28th. I would try and fan the flames by going on about injustices, I would even try and raise sectarian tensions. Do you know anybody that has been doing this in the past weeks?

  19. hamiltontim on

    Paul67

     

     

    Think you’ve hit the nail on the head with one.

     

     

    Yesterday, at Perth, when the support were singing The Celtic Symphony,when it got to the ‘contentious’ bit most around me did one of three things:-

     

     

    1) Sang ‘oo ah Samaras’

     

     

    2) Sang ‘oo ah up the Celts

     

     

    3) Stayed silent

     

     

    However, one young guy in front of me, aged around 20 chose to sing ‘oo ah up the Ra’

     

     

    Now it crossed my mind to say to this bhoy, listen son are ye daft, have you not read the papers or seen the television reports?

     

     

    But then I thought to myself. This guy is partaking in a right of passage that many, many of us (some even possibly post on here) have done.

     

     

    I let him be. If he chooses to sing ‘oo ah up the Ra’ then that it is his right.

  21. starry plough on

    david.axiom says:

     

    19 December, 2011 at 13:12

     

     

    We weren’t sucked into anything, we were reported by Eddie Smith to UEFA, an action unprecedented in the Scottish game.

     

     

    Last seasons target to keep the Orcs afloat was Neil Lennon, this years target is our support, we have to box clever for sure but we should never ever take the soup.

     

     

    The smear campaign is meaningless outside of Scotland, we are only in UEFA sights because we were reported.

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    SP

  22. philvisreturns on

    hamiltontim – I let him be. If he chooses to sing ‘oo ah up the Ra’ then that it is his right.

     

     

    Not any more.

     

     

    It is now a crime, thanks to the SNP. (thumbsup)

  23. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Celtci_First

     

     

    can they arrest it though or to be more precise by the time they arrest it … it will be gone.

     

     

    They have already arrested the money for the small tax bill.

     

     

    The 1st case tribunal does not even resume again until the 24th.

     

     

    It is in Whytes interest (I Think) To have as much cash in situ when he decides to call it a day (I.e before the tribunal makes any decision) .which will not happen until at least errrrmmm circa beginning of April …. which effectively means no carper to be pulled until the summer at the very earliest

     

     

    Will CW have an idea of a clearer future for the hun by then …. I reckon so

     

     

    Hail Hail

  26. ernie lynch on

    The Battered Bunnet says:

     

    19 December, 2011 at 13:14

     

    Ernie,

     

     

    ‘I doubt I need to remind you about the tragedy at Cardiff Arms Park.’

     

     

    De omnibus dubitandum. You’ll have to remind me.

     

     

    ‘I’m sure though that you will appreciate the incongruity of the following’

     

     

    That was a firework, not a smoke bomb/flare.

  30. Snake Plissken on

    tomtheleedstim

     

     

    As low as Wee Jimmy apparently. Horrendous.

     

     

    If I were mean spirited, I’d say its funnier than their careers and I am.

  31. ernie lynch on

    tomtheleedstim says:

     

    19 December, 2011 at 13:23

     

    ‘Anyone recognise these two fraudsters’?

     

     

    I think the real fraudster was whoever sold them the CCTV.

  32. philvisreturns on

    tomtheleedstim –

     

     

    I see the Krankies have admitted “swinging” in earlier years.

     

     

    They’re not the only ones with dark secrets.

     

     

    Timmy Mallett has admitted to getting hammered every Saturday morning in the 80’s.

     

     

    (thumbsup)

  33. Summa of Sammi.... on

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    phil01..

     

     

    Welcome to CQN..The other Posters are a Wee Bitte Cliquie..But I’m Not..As no One Speaks to Me..Apart fae BT..(But he Speaks to EnyBody)..

     

     

    EnyWhooo Welcome Buddi..

     

     

    PS..I’m 001 are we Related..?

     

     

    Summa ft SpreadTheLoveCSC

  34. Big Packie's Accent on

    ‘The Celtic Family’ – It’s just not evident any more.

     

    ‘More than a club’ – are we ?

     

    ‘All inclusive’ – aye, if you toe the party line of Corporate FC.

     

     

    All 3, which we have valued and cherished, are increasingly empty, cliché corporate rhetoric.

     

     

    Ghuys, for those of us who wish to see our club as more than a sanitised, empty corporate shell,

     

    devoid of the principles, integrity and the general ethos that we hold dear,

     

    ACTION IS NEEDED NOW.

  35. hamiltontim on

    Philvis

     

     

    Buddy did you have the opportunity to see the first few posts of yesterday’s match summary from Paul67 :))

     

     

    My point in the above post was that I certainly won’t be stopping him.

  37. hen1rik on

    The Honest Mistake says:

     

    19 December, 2011 at 13:18

     

     

    So what is the reason then.

     

     

    And do you think appointing brother willie is part of this ie give dodgy decisions and this will start the ball rolling or am i way out.

  40. bamboo on

    I would think the 28th would be the day when we see first-hand whether the sectarian bill is going to be implimented fairly.

     

    If the huns refrain from singing sectarian songs at Celtic park then it will be the first time.

  42. Saint Stivs - Kano 1000 - Glasgows Green and White on

    I wont post the link but the DAILY MAIL has an online story about the “safe standing ” announcement.

     

     

    3 pictures accompany the story –

     

     

    1) Huns at one of their Union Jack fests, all standing with wee flags.

     

     

    2) What looks like a packed out 50’s crowd scene from a Edinburgh derby …….

     

     

    and number 3 is ?

     

     

     

    3) Neil Lennon being restrained as his assaulter lies on the ground.

     

     

    f the press.

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