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Newco scored from a free kick they won after 67 seconds, but even at that early stage, the pattern of the game was already evident.  When the home team pressed, they pressed together, and Celtic were unable to pass through them.

Week after week, we bemoan playing against teams who refused to come out, then when given the opportunity, we cannot pick a pass through a press.  It is clear the recruitment job for next season needs to replace Boyata, Benkovic (probably), Lustig (whether he actually goes or not) and Dembele, but the mix is not right in central midfield.

If yesterday was a Champions League qualifier, we would have the luxury of blaming whatever financial, recruitment advantage, or more competitive league our opponents had over us that enabled them to close us down so comfortably.  The reality is we were mugged by an average team and if we go into the qualifiers with the same central mid, we can expect the same outcome as we experienced against AEK in August.

I am fond of all our central midfielders, including Olivier Ntcham, who for various reasons has not had a great season, but this is the most crucial area of the team and the one I am most concerned about.

Back in the 90s Celtic were world class at winning late in the season when it didn’t really matter.  The Knicker Wetters should know that nothing that happened yesterday changes the fundamentals in Scottish football, which remain as they were.  We have a big rebuild job to do, but we have the resources and appetite for the task.

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  1. Matt Stewart on

    A fleeting visit to honour and mark the passing of that wee secret Fenian-Taig-Tim-Reb, Doris Mary Ann Kappelhoff…..This is from Saturday, August 18, 2007…..

     

     

    Flickin through my old copies of Doris Day albums, I came across her underground version of Secret Love….it was recorded as ‘Secret Wish’.

     

     

    I think it is quite TIMeous to repost it.

     

     

    So clear that throat, get singing, and convince your family that you have totally flipped!

     

     

    If you don’t know the tune here’s Doris in all her glory (and tight trousers obviously singing the official version)

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8P_p7dB2dw….you can of course always sing along with the underground version below and give it laldy.

     

     

    So………

     

     

    SECRET WISH!</i?

     

     

    Once they had a secret wish

     

    The huns would win the euro cup

     

    Instead their wish turned into pish

     

    Its time to wind the bigots up!

     

     

    The judge has put on his black cap

     

    And told sir Minty – he’s fur jail

     

    Cos Bain refused to take the rap

     

    And Findlay wullnae pay the bail!

     

     

    First Chorus

     

     

    Now I shout it out frae Garrowhill

     

     

    Across the town and up to Jordanhill

     

     

    The huns are heading furra clink

     

     

    And aw their mingin fans ….are jumpin …..in the drink.

     

     

    How he cried when came the news

     

    That London’s cops were headed by a Pape!

     

    So he and Wattie hit the booze

     

    While Bainey burnt incriminating tape.

     

     

    But the polismen had nabbed their man

     

    Now Minty’s just a sad pariah

     

    He’s on his way tae Glasgow’s can

     

    Banged up inside the black mariah

     

     

    SECOND CHORUS

     

     

    Now their rabid fans huv had their fill

     

     

    And wish that Minty’s mum wis oan the pill

     

     

    Or even better, he’d bought Ayr

     

     

    Cos their secret dream’s ….a screamin ……NIGHTMARE!

     

     

    FINALE (if you’re a bloke then pull those trousers tight and really hit that high ‘C’)

     

     

    Now I shout it out frae Parkheid cross

     

     

    They’re no jist skint, their scabby side is dross

     

     

    And Minty’s found a new hotel

     

     

    Behind steel bars……locked inside……the Bar-L

     

     

    Eat yer heart out Paul Francis Webster and Harry Fain !

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    Matt

     

     

    p.s Do you think the Green Brigade could do it at the cup final (minus that friggen drum of course) ? ?

  2. CONEYBHOY on 13TH MAY 2019 4:42 PM

     

    Tontine Tim at 3.40pm

     

     

     

     

     

     

    re Doris Day

     

     

     

     

    *my first crush Jimmy, well before Bobby Evans that is, even back then before I had made my First Holy Communion.

     

     

     

     

    ##########################

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Apparently her first film role was in Young Man With A Horn…

     

    …………………..

     

     

    Easy there Commander !

     

    HH

  3. I could be wrong, but did not Lenny state on a few occasions that he was playing the team in the style of Brendan ? He said he did not want to change things too much as the formula was working. Maybe, just maybe he let John Kennedy “run” the team and tactics until the title was clinched. Then next season he will hope to impose his own style of play on the team.

     

    As I say, I could and probably be wrong.

     

     

    KINGLuBO

  4. I have little doubt that Neil Lennon was in the frame as a possibility for permanent manager, when he agreed to become interim manager. I retain my severe doubts as to whether it is a done deal that he will get it. Certainly, the prompt action over Timo Weah does suggest that he is acting as a manager with next season in mind at Celtic. It suggests it a lot more than Paul’s leader yesterday did.

     

     

    Ask yourself this! If the Machiavellian Board and Peter Lawwell were out to make a “cheap” appointment and give Lenny the job, when would they have announced it?

     

    Would it be after a fine performance at a difficult away ground where we clinched the league with a 3 goals to zip win? Or would it be after a dismal defeat at an equally challenging away fixture?

     

     

    They would deserve to have their “Sleekit Devious Cheapskate” badges all removed if they launched their “It’s Lenny!” campaign on the back of that match. It would be like having Danny Baker propose to one of the Royal Princesses this week.

     

     

    Neil Lennon might be the next Celtic manager- who knows?

     

     

    But I doubt that our “suits” are as stupid as they are being painted with the recent version of events. I do not rate Ian Bankier but I think he is capable of a a higher standard of deviousness, salesmanship and strategy than this. And Peter Lawwell most certainly is.

     

     

    If it don’t make sense, it don’t make sense.

     

     

    If the board see grounds for confirming Neil Lennon in the job, it must be based on the players’ reaction to having him around and available and on his efforts to get this squad over the line. It was not decided on the basis of his Ibrox performance. Nor should it be.

  5. People seem to forget that Neil Lennon managed to win titles. In a single season he put together 99 points and lost one game. He qualified for the CL and got the club to the last 16.

     

     

    So far, since he was appointed at short notice, we have lost only one game. A game where nothing was at stake but bragging rights.

     

     

    He deserves better than the level of respect he receives from some. He isn’t “an easy appointment”.

     

     

    He’s a man who’s done the job before and has credentials. His record against Stevie G as Hibs manager wasn’t to be sniffed at. This isn’t an appointment that would be made out of sentimentality. It’s time some people put some respect on his name.

  6. TRADITIONALIST88 on 13TH MAY 2019 2:23 PM

     

    THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY on 13TH MAY 2019 1:56 PM

     

     

     

    Around 10%.

     

     

     

    Did you pluck that figure from out of your head or did you conduct a survey?

     

     

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    Yes, an estimate straight from my head, which wis why I said ‘around’ 10%, and based on my experience of reading Celtic supporters comments online and talking to fellow Celtic supporters at matches and in bars. Hope thats alright!

     

     

     

    Not sure where your post came from but I’d hazard a guess it was a hole somewhere else.

     

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    Wooft touched a raw nerve there. I don’t think you like being challenged but you don’t mind having a go at the “10%” you claim never name a replacement manager.

  7. I used to pride myself on my English studies at school until one day the English teacher asked Me…..

     

    ” Wee Jimmy…where’s your Grammar” ?

     

     

    “At the Bingo Miss”…I replied.

     

    HH

  8. TIMALOY29 on 13TH MAY 2019 5:09 PM

     

     

    I remember the general feeling when he left was one of disappointment. He certainly left on better terms than most of our managers have over a long period, and not just because of the abuse he took for being Celtic manager. There certainly wasn’t the strength of feeling to get rid of him as there is now for him not to be appointed

     

     

    Maybe we’ve got short memories or our maybe our expectations have been raised so much by BR’s time here that the prospect of a repeat of his last time in charge isn’t enough anymore

  9. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ TIMALOY29 on 13TH MAY 2019 4:41 PM

     

     

    We have lost at Ibrox in similar circumstances on both visits this season. We have been poor in the league through a combination of staleness, injuries and lack of investment in the summer. People are being willfully flippant if they are considering the game at the weekend in isolation.

     

     

    “When they needed to win at Parkhead they fell short.”

     

     

    The emphasis on this sentence makes it sound as if Newco should think about coming to CP and turning us over. Is it not of more concern that we have only managed two 1 goal victories against them at home- the latter came in a game when we played 10 men for 60 mins and scored in the last 5. We are the ones with the turnover 3 times theirs.

     

     

    “our financial strength has not translated to strength on the park”

     

     

    The winning of 8 in-a-row and the team stagnating/Sevco getting closer are mutually exclusive. 8 in-a-row has been glorious. But we are supposed to be a well run club; a club that prepares for the future and has contingencies in place. There is an expectation of competence. 8 in-a-row will be of scant consolation if we blow 10 being so close and with such a colossal financial advantage over Sevco; they have only been in the premier division for 3 years after all!

     

     

    “I don’t necessarily agree. Neil Lennon inherited a poorer side than Rodgers did.”

     

     

    Ridiculous and revisionist. Neil inherited a team going for a treble treble; Brendan inherited a team that had not made the CL for a couple of years and only one the league the season prior. They also lost to division 1 Sevco the season prior.

     

     

    Do you really believe that Celtic are in a worse position now than they were when Brendan took over? You cannot be serious.

     

     

    If Neil is such a good manager, why were his two jobs post-Celtic with Bolton and Hibs? People talk about Brendan being damaged goods after Liverpool. What does that make Neil then? Neil was the perfect candidate for the caretaker role, but he is not the man to take the club forward in the same way that the majority on CQN would not advocate the return of MON.

  10. I cannot believe the number of people hoping and praying for a better yesterday.

     

    We have a lot to thank NL for — coming in at short notice to close out the season.

     

     

    However we need a total transformation next season starting with the manager and coaching staff.

     

    That means that we should be looking for a manager / coach who will be a significant improvement on BR — he might be good enough for Crisps FC but he was not good enough for us.

     

     

    Consequently we have a lot to thank BR for but he was not the man to take us to the next level.

     

    And unfortunately neither is NL, MO’N, RK or DM.

  11. I don’t like being accused of lacking respect for Neil Lennon because I don’t want him as Celtic manager.

     

     

    That’s simply a classless accusation to make to Celtic supporters that want nothing only the best for the club.

  12. The hysteria verging on delerium at ibrox yesterday that greeted the result was quite astonishing for a Rangers team that failed to win any one of the three trophies on offer during the season. Some might say a team of chokers when it came to achieving the big prizes. At least the 45000 or so fans went home happy and easily pleased.

     

     

    Celtic were in relaxed mode the big prize already in the bag and waiting for next week’s presentation. That is the modern player or millenial, the hard work has already been done why bother. Scott Baine should have never been beaten by that free kick he lacks height for a modern day ‘keeper. For all their energy and hunger it took Gers long enough to seal the deal with that second goal against a Celtic team in practice mode.

  13. THE HANDS CANT HIT WHAT THE EYES CANT SEE on 13TH MAY 2019 5:38 PM

     

     

    he is not the man to take the club forward in the same way that the majority on CQN would not advocate the return of MON.

     

     

    Not in the same way. The circumstances have changed considerably since MON was here and successful. Not so with Lenny.

  14. Lenny’s been a good Celtic manager before, I’m not sure what’s happened since then to convince people he wouldn’t be a good one again.

  15. TheLurkinTim on

    Curious as to why some posters think that a pre-requisite for a new manager is a knowledge of the Club and the SPFL…if that was the case all good managers would stay in their own national leagues…

     

     

    On to yesterday…getting beat is acceptable…but to get beat without showing up is definitely not. Sure, the players may have been thinking about the SC Final…but based on some of yesterdays performances…some of them should have played themselves out of the team.

     

     

    H.H.

  16. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ CELTIC40ME on 13TH MAY 2019 5:57 PM

     

     

    Neil’s circumstances have changed as well. He didn’t push on from Celtic. He managed Bolton and Hibs.

     

     

    Should a manager who got fired from Hibs mid-season really be considered an attractive prospect for a Celtic team two years off 10 in a row and with the greatest financial muscle we have ever had?

     

     

    Looking at it objectively I would say no.

  17. THE HANDS CANT HIT WHAT THE EYES CANT SEE on 13TH MAY 2019 6:09 PM

     

     

    I don’t know about the circumstances of his time at Bolton and Hibs, but I do know, like the rest of us, how he did as Celtic manager which is the job we’re talking about.

     

     

    Would you take a repeat of his previous time?

  18. TheLurkinTim on

    Celtic40Me…

     

     

    If you don’t mind my tuppenceworth…Lenny’s last time was of the time…football has moved on…pretty sure he hasn’t or why wouldn’t he trust Proffessional players to implement any change in formation/tactics that he may have to improve our playing style

  19. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    Yesterday was desperate and also predictable. Had been coming. The same players have carried us for years, surrounded by a non-contributing squad of mostly dross. We could easily justify c20 players leaving this close season, if other teams would take them. A real and systematic failure of recruitment strategy over the past few years. These duds did not come cheap.

     

     

    It’s not surprising this core was tired and relaxed their efforts after clinching the league. Yet again. They were red rotten, but deserve our support for what they’ve given us these past years.

     

     

    If it’s Lenny he needs to be genuinely supported to build his own team. Guys who owe their loyalty to him. The current team is reaching the end of its cycle. It would be a mistake not to undertake a major renovation, just as the old Rangers did in 1997 – trying to eke one final year out of the old guard.

     

     

    I agree with Paul. The midfield is the priority, especially if we can keep Benkovic. We were weak as water yesterday against a bang ordinary team. Even at Parkhead I was concerned about our inability to control that area, which is where games are won and lost.

     

     

    I’m encouraged to hear there is an appetite to tool up in the Boardroom as my concern is that a minimalist approach will again be adopted. That would not be easily forgiven if it risked the 9 when the means were in place to up the ante. I will remain sceptical until I see some proper first team ready signings. I can barely remember the last time we did that. Even Eddy came in as a long-term project. It would be a mistake to prioritise our resources to sign a bunch of young boys from obscure European leagues who might or might not prove to be the real deal in 2022.

  20. TheLurkinTim on

    James Forrest…you can’t deny that the line in your deleted post where there was an implied threat to a poster on here was crossing the line? As for petty insults in your direction…why don’t you treat them for what they are and stop rising to the bait?

     

     

    H.H.

  21. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ CELTIC40ME on 13TH MAY 2019 6:21 PM

     

     

    I would prefer a repeat of MON’s time, but the game has moved on and each of MON’s and Neil’s circumstances have changed.

     

     

    Neither of them should be hired for the permanent role.

  22. THE HANDS CANT HIT WHAT THE EYES CANT SEE on 13TH MAY 2019 5:38 PM

     

     

    “We have lost at Ibrox in similar circumstances on both visits this season. We have been poor in the league through a combination of staleness, injuries and lack of investment in the summer. People are being willfully flippant if they are considering the game at the weekend in isolation.”

     

     

    They beat us once when it mattered. Celtic still won the title with games to spare. Don’t be hysterical.

     

     

     

    “The emphasis on this sentence makes it sound as if Newco should think about coming to CP and turning us over.”

     

     

    Celtic won the game when it counted. They needed to win if they wanted to truly challenge us. They weren’t up to it. They have won 8 titles on the spin. The structural advantages are felt over the long term. Anything can happen in 90 mins. FC Bayern have the same structural advantages and have struggled this year.

     

     

    “The winning of 8 in-a-row and the team stagnating/Sevco getting closer are mutually exclusive.”

     

     

    Actually that’s not true. We can’t control what they do 34 games of the league season. By the time we won the title we had won 3 out of 2 head to head. That’s acceptable.

     

     

    “But we are supposed to be a well run club; a club that prepares for the future and has contingencies in place”

     

     

     

    We have prepared. We have contingencies. That’s why we are consistently winning trophies. We have the basis of the squad signed up on long term deals

     

     

     

    “Ridiculous and revisionist. Neil inherited a team going for a treble treble; Brendan inherited a team that had not made the CL for a couple of years”

     

     

    I was talking about the side he inherited from Mowbray.

     

     

    “If Neil is such a good manager, why were his two jobs post-Celtic with Bolton and Hibs?”

     

     

    Neil picked up a Bolton side bottom of the championship with serious structural issues. He kept them up but still was hindered. What’s happened to Bolton since he left? The club is looking at extinction. NL was not the reason they struggled. Utterly baffling to me that you cannot identify that and you expect to be taken seriously.

     

     

    He picked up a Hibs side in the championship and got them promoted and then almost pipped sevco to 4th place. Steven Gerrard failed to beat him when he was Hibs boss. Overall his time at Hibs was a success. Talk about revisionist.

  23. !!Bada Bing!! on

    JF- you were on here last week, calling guys idiots,what’s the difference?

  24. TheLurkinTim on

    PLB…dunno where your hearing about an appetite in the boardroom to tool up…if it’s true then it’s encouraging news…but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s more a case of them protecting their own legacy

  25. James Forrest comes here to advertise his blog and accuses Paul of being disingenuous. Disagreements are fine but don’t question his sincerity. Especially if you are using his blog to get people to read yours.

  26. In 1995 when Celtic won at Hampden in the last game , we finished fourth.

     

     

    Its folly to dismiss yesterdays result . It should be a wake up call

  27. Steve Clarke has been the breath of fresh air that scottish football needed. Admittedly I am afar but I sense his teams play football instead of the aggression that Aberdeen have resorted to. Massive game now for them to get third place. Better than the Motherwells and Hearts and the highland hoofers that populate the league. ANY improvement in the quality of the sport is to be applauded. But they play on plastic?? Yet again the game is a bogey in Scotland!! Apart from Celtic!

  28. THE HANDS CANT HIT WHAT THE EYES CANT SEE on 13TH MAY 2019 6:42 PM

     

    @ CELTIC40ME on 13TH MAY 2019 6:21 PM

     

     

     

    I would prefer a repeat of MON’s time, but the game has moved on and each of MON’s and Neil’s circumstances have changed.

     

     

    That makes no sense.

     

     

    I was referring to the circumstances in which Celtic found themselves when the two managers were in charge at Celtic. 2004 was very different to now, 2014 much less so. If he gets the job he will, hopefully have a bit more money to spend as well.

     

     

    If you look at the CQN article that announced his leaving in 2014 the comments are entirely positive about his time in charge and the success we enjoyed while he was here.

     

     

    I’m not sure about him being unable to adapt to the new football paradigm. I only watched Hibs when they played Celtic or the Huns and they always seemed to play a pretty progressive game. High press, high tempo, all that. I didn’t see any sign that he hadn’t learnt, but I would t know for sure.

  29. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ TIMALOY29 on 13TH MAY 2019 6:43 PM

     

     

    “They beat us once when it mattered. Celtic still won the title with games to spare. Don’t be hysterical.”

     

     

    If you can’t see that they are getting closer to us through a combination of being a better team and us being a poorer team, then I don’t know what to say- keep sticking your head in the sand, i guess. At CP they played the game with 10 men for 60 mins and we got a winner in the last 5 minutes. Over the 4 games, they have a better goal difference. You do realise we were beating this mob by 4 and 5 goals a game in the last couple of seasons?

     

     

    “The winning of 8 in-a-row and the team stagnating/Sevco getting closer are mutually exclusive.”

     

     

    What I mean is that the winning of the league this season still doesn’t hide the fact that we have regressed/they have gotten closer.

     

     

    “If Neil is such a good manager, why were his two jobs post-Celtic with Bolton and Hibs?”

     

     

    The point I was making here is that if Neil is a quality manager why were the only teams interested in taking him on/the best he was able to get, Bolton who were/are in financial meltdown and league 1 Hibs? Why were there no EPL teams or decent Championship sides in for him?

     

     

    We have gone from a manager who has managed Swansea, Liverpool and now Leicester (who are a solid EPL team), to one who has Bolton and Hibs on his CV. That’s a significant step down.

     

     

    Neil’s CV is representative of his skill level when club association is stripped away. No one on this blog would want the appointment of a manager with Neil’s recent CV if there was no Celtic connection.

     

     

    I would love to see Neil with a position at the club, but not as manager.

  30. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    TheLurkinTim

     

     

    Just reading between the lines of P67’s blog. Might have read it entirely wrong. Wouldn’t in the least be surprised if this summer’s recruitment is more of the same…

  31. Evening all,

     

     

    Gorgeous weather on the southside of Dublins fair city. Would lift anyone’s mood except yesterday isn’t easily forgotten!!

     

     

    Where to start.

     

     

    NL is absolutely not the man to lead us for a number of reasons. BR, apart from his obvious managerial and coaching ability, had a presence ( an aura if you like ) he was calm, measured and transmitted that to his players which was illustrated at times during his 7/7 trophy laden tenure.

     

     

    NL is old school ( A Martin O Neill type manager ) football players these days, particularly millionaires, don’t respond to that type of management. Everyone should be massively grateful to NL however if / when he is appointed we are taking a monumental risk. A risk I honestly believe ( A ) won’t pay off and ( B ) is unnecessary given our finances.

     

     

    If we don’t sign a Stilyan Petrov type player ( we absolutely should have signed John McGinn but Lawwell massively messed up ) we will continue to be beaten with ease at the bigot dome. We are crying out for that type of player. Strong, athletic, a winner and technically proficient.

     

     

    Clearly we need an RB, CH, wide left and a striker also but a CM is every bit, if not more, important.

     

     

    We made poor players in CM area of pitch look excellent yesterday.

     

     

    As I say, we will be soundly beaten, regularly, at the bigot dome if we dont sign a CM. Its as clear as night follows day.

     

     

    We, for me, are starting to self destruct through sheer stagnation. NL, as gaffer, will add to that stagnation. This Summers transfer policy including managerial appointment will give the clearest indication of where we are going in the short to medium term. I can’t say I am in any way optimistic we’ll take the necessary steps to reaffirm our dominance.

     

     

    HH

     

    Roccobhoy

  32. The hands cant hit what the eyes cant see on

    @ CELTIC40ME on 13TH MAY 2019 7:06 PM

     

     

    Each of MON’s and Neil’s circumstances have changed in that neither are particularly attractive candidates of late.

     

     

    MON was not particularly loved for his time with Ireland- generally regarded as a dinosaur- and a far cry from the manager at Celtic/Aston Villa. The best Neil could muster since leaving Celtic was Bolton and Hibs; it’s not a great resume and our standards should have been sufficiently raised in the interim that we are now looking beyond that calibre of candidate.

  33. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    Lot of heat (and rather less light!) the last couple of days. The last time we had this much panic was after our last (domestic) defeat, 4+ months ago. Back then it was all about how we were going to lose the league. How did that work out?

     

    We have just had a season with more managers than strikers and still won the league pretty convincingly. No need to panic but definitely need to improve.

     

    Not convinced we need a huge overhaul. Quantity out, quality in.

     

    Defence needs the most work, but the other big issue for me is how to get the best out of Odsonne. He isn’t Dembele. He’s not a ‘hold up’ player. Either we play him coming in off the left or we go with two up front and allow him to drop deep and get some space to attack.

     

    For games against the lower end of the league bus-parkers, I’d go 3-2-3-2. Two full-backs, one CB, McGregor and a DM who can also play as a CB (this would be my priority signing). Can rest Brown in these games.

     

    For games where we are being high-pressed, we need better movement to give options for the player on the ball. If there are three opponents surrounding one of our players we will have the numbers advantage elsewhere! The Ajax players always had options and were intelligent enough to move around, make angles for each other and someone else would plug the gap. They moved the ball really quickly, not just the quickness of the player making the pass, but also the pace put on the ball itself. That of course requires a good touch to control it!

     

    We played some really good football this season, particularly October-early December and January-February.

     

    We need to get a good manager/coach who can get us back playing that way, developing the players further and improving our defending, particularly for Europe.

     

    It’s a bit worrying that if it was “known” nearly a year ago that Rodgers would be leaving, it doesn’t appear that we were in any way prepared for what comes next (unless Neil Lennon was always the plan).

     

    Show some ambition (cut the defeatist ‘nobody good will be interested’ guff) and we could have a really good team for the next few years.

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