Well done to the Daily Record for revealing that SFA referee, Eddie Smith, was the policeman who reported Celtic fans to Uefa for singing offensive songs against Rennes last month. Smith was one of the referees who declined to make his services available as referees went on strike last season while Celtic took-on the SFA amid accusations of lies, bullying, sectarian behaviour and cover-ups among referees at the association. He is no longer on the Grade 1 list.
Following the strike the SFA Head of Referee Administration was removed from his post and referee, Dougie MacDonald, who was accused of lying to Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, resigned, prompting then-Celtic chairman, Dr John Reid, to say the club felt vindicated in raising their concerns.
Vindicated, no doubt, but with more than a few feeling bitter towards the club.
While the Daily Record can reflect on some good work today, bizarrely, the Scotsman newspaper accused Celtic fans of sectarian chanting at the Rennes game, something even police-gossip, Eddie Smith, didn’t accuse them of.
Why stop at accusations of sectarian behaviour? If the Scotsman are going to be ridiculous, why not accused Celtic fans of genocide and treason? Better still, just say lots of them have funny names, go to strange schools but will never ascent to the British throne.
Celtic have 123-years of non-sectarian history, it is downright offensive to suggest otherwise.
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Truth 4767, agreed.
This deflecting and denying does no one any good.
gerryguk7 says:
14 November, 2011 at 12:08
No, no, no – the context is entirely appropriate and not deflective. One word, “agenda”.
If we are correct in our own assumptions that this allegation is without basis then we must ask what is the agenda behind the complainant, and I think ‘we’ all know the answer.
greenjedi says:
14 November, 2011 at 11:41
Definitely seems that way. Shameless careerist just like the rest of them. I was naive to hope otherwise really.
Hooooooops
The BT roots I was alluding to was this yin!
BT’s first Love :¬)
V
HAil HAil
I also attended the Rennes game and was delighted with the GB that night even when we lost that early goal.They sang and sang and encouraged participation from all areas of the stands. I commented to my son that they played a big part in Celtic’s performance that night in creating a great european atmosphere in a half full stadium.
I was shocked to hear the comments of “number of instances of singing of offensive songs”. “illicit chanting”,”sectarian chanting “, ” discrimatory chanting ”
dependant on what rag you pick up.
This story is growing arms and legs by the press and is another example of what we face.
Even the sunday story re. Anthony Stokes could not help but to throw in old bits about anti queen comments, ira gangs and drugs. Disgusting story
COME ON YOU BHOYS IN GREEN
truth4767 says:
14 November, 2011 at 12:03
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Yir not wrong there.
V
JinkyvJohnGreig-saysitall
I will reserve my position regarding what should constitute offensive and non-offensive chanting, they are arguments for another day.
However, agenda or no (and there are plenty of people who detest us, granted) either the charge will be upheld or it won’t. That’s the story. Eddie Smith, or anyone else, including FARE for instance, are entitled to complain to UEFA. If their complaint is baseless then it’s baseless, end of story and more fool them for wasting their own and everybody else’s time, and making themselves look rather silly in the process.
Personally, my own “assumption”, having attended the game, is that there is a stateable argument that the complaint is not baseless. I heard alot of fans singing about the Provisional IRA, a procsribed organisation. Whether that breaches UEFA’s codes of practice is for someone else to consider, but I think we all could acknowledge is the fairly wide-held belief that this type of chanting is capable of breaching various items of the code of practice.
Craighino
So what your saying is that we should sing
Let the people sing
But we should not sing about our stories and our songs or music of our native land
Am I missing something?
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SFTB
So I should just trust our PLC without reservation.
I’m trying but it’s not working. Any advice on how I can force myself to trust them while they undermine my complaints to the BBC is welcome. Every twist and turn they have lost us that battle.
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Truth1690/Super slimy or whatever your name is today.
You talk PISH.
MWD
coorslad is Neil Lennon says:
14 November, 2011 at 11:56
Wee horse for today..Sligo Publican,1.10 @ Limerick..
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I want to know how my best pal is suddenly giving me all these ringers………I’ve naw picked up my winnings from Saturday yet :¬)
V
HH
petec @2.16
You said:-
“Your (meaning SFTB’s) initial comments are nowhere to be seen in the Constitution, especially not where you claimed they were, they sounded like an interpretation by a person, definitely, but no way was Your initial comment anywhere to be seen, unfortunately for you….
Ammendment 14 section 2 Specifically states Indians Not Taxed. If you are wanting nothing to do with a Government would you want to pay taxes to it?
The Indians had no choice as the dominant ones accessed their land, unfortunately. The Indians did however get recognition in the Constitution though despite what you are thinking. And they were protected by the Constitution as much as any other person was.”
Now my initial comments @ 1.00am said precisely that and I reproduce them in full:-
“Though forcibly emigrated slaves and native americans were not granted voting rights for themselves, they were counted as 3/5 of a person in calculating the total state electorate power.
Nice of them to be so liberal, eh?”
Surely you can deduce that, since I said that neither they, nor the slave population, had voting rights, I would not have assumed they were a taxed people. The slogan “No representation without taxation” was their founding phrase was it not?
As for them being protected by the constitution as much as any other person, you cannot even believe that they were given even 3/5 of the protection that other groups, of European origin, were given and that is even taking account of the strong streak of anti-catholicism that was present in the early and middle years of the USA.
The Native Americans tried to use the Constitution to defend their rights but any gain they won was temporary as their rights were swiftly overturned once the needs of railroads, commerce, or mineral mining impinged upon them. Anyway, as PJ BHOYNYC pointed out, the Constitution was quickly neutered by the Patriot Act and it always has been neutered at times when the US was in war fever.
I’m afraid you imagined something in my post which was never asserted by me but I’ll let you have the last word, since I have no interest in getting too deep into the areas that dominate your posts to CQN. I do not want to get dragged in to the twilight world of arguing about imagined and attributed freemasonry (as opposed to the real thing which exists and is fairly stupid).
gerryguk7 says:
14 November, 2011 at 12:19
Yes ~ exactly. We need to seek out the high ground and KEEP IT against all comers!.
HH Gerry
AwNaw
I can feel your pain but I personally don’t think you give the police enough credit. Sure there are liars in the police like everywhere else but to claim they are worse than MIB etc is stretching the argument too far in my opinion. And I know from first hand that the police were steeped in masonics for decades but I really do, like the masons generaly, think that is being confined to the histroy books slowly, but surely.
If we cannot belive that as a society then in the immortal words of Private Fraser,”We’re dommed, doomed”.
Hail Hail
KINGLuBO
Rogue Leader @ 11 56—-
With a bit of imagination it is mathematically possible ! –
Lennon n Mc Mjallby.—— @ 11 58 —-
I think UEFA might do what it thinks it has to do . Part of the Sion case relates to Sion’s concern that they were punished far more severely than other much bigger clubs had been for the same offense. UEFA accept that but state the severity of the punishment was to send a clear message to Clubs which chose to break UEFA Rules and Regulations [ an Encourage The Others kind of thing ]
UEFA see Scottish football as being a primitive , insignificant little backwater . The European media portray Scottish football as being a sectarian backwater —— Old Firm this -Old Firm that —— Catholics and Protestants etc etc.
UEFA have being forced to mucky their hands with Glasgow Rangers ——- they are very keen to be being seen to do something without actually having done anything . It might suit them to be being seeing to do something about politics ,ideology and sectarian behavior in football . It might suit UEFA to clamp down heavily on Celtic . It might suit UEFA even more to rid themselves of the Sion problem —
Again ——It’s Just My Imagination.
Hoopeddreams,thanks,feeling a bit better..
Vmhan,nip out and get your winnings and have a wee punt/pint on that one..
Lies1690 says:
14 November, 2011 at 12:03
You know what this is like reading Rangers forums after their UEFA charges.
1. Who reported us?
2. What songs offended them?
3. The press are against us?
4. Can’t believe there doing this!
5. We have a right to sing what we want.
6. He would say that he’s a(fill in the blanks)
7. There has ben a concerted campaign against us.
8. When were these songs sung?
9. I never heard anything.
Well there is one way to solve it, and the real supporters know it, stop it, now!
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Som mes que un club says:
14 November, 2011 at 12:11
Truth 4767, agreed.
This deflecting and denying does no one any good.
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Indeed.
1. Do they have an agenda for doing so? – an honest enough reason, imo, to ask who reported us.
2. What songs did offend them? Without an answer to this what would you expect us to do? Stop singing everything?
3. Agreed – irrelevant.
4. Without an answer to question 2, it’s an understandable reaction – we honestly don’t know what we are being reported for.
5. I’m not sure anyone has said that.
6. Or that. In fact, quite the opposite.
7. Erm, there has been a campaign to introduce a new law that will see people criminalised for singing songs that are, well, offensive. The stated aims of the person largely responsible for this are public domain.
8. Ties in with Q/A 2 – we don’t know what or when the song/chant was sung.
9. Quite. Neither did I. But again, a knowledge of what we are accused of would help.
Regards
dirtymac :-)
OH OH.
A lot names and numbers guys coming on the blog,we must be in twouble.
Paul67 you’re excused from above.
Paul67,
Great stuff. I hope the Club act as robustly as you write to defend our good name.
By the way, “illicit” means something not done in the approved manner but not illegal. So, if we were singing something like TFS, we would seem to be in the clear, as our Justice Minister reckoned that 20,000 blasting this out created a great atmosphere. It would also seem to be the licence the Polis are looking for in not informing anyone of what they consider “offensive”. They can make it up as they go along. They are claiming the power to make the illicit illegal.
Kinglubo
You sound like Speirs
with his
It used to happen but it doesn’t any more.
Can you tell me something.
What date did all this Freemasonary colluding stop?
MWD
Not as much fun the shoe being on the other foot.
I don’t know what the song is that was deemed offensive it’s probably something linked to the ira.
Regardless of the outcome of this the fact that we have been reported tarnishes the support , mud sticks. Even if there is no case to answer we have got to waken up and move into the 21 st century ourselves.
Please , please , please ,leave the ira songs away from Celtic games.
No I’m not an interloper , just fed up with the fans that keep singing this nonsense and dragging the club down .
What is it you think you are achieving.
KINGLUBO says:
14 November, 2011 at 12:23
I know that it not the case. I see your post as wishful thinking. I dont think we are doomed we just need to keep the leash tightly around the testicles and keep pulling.
GerryBhoy, gerryguk7
For the record I think you two are talking nonsense of the highest order.
Hail Hail
Has anyone seen the actual complaint made by Eddie Smith? Alot of posters seem to think it is without basis so I assume they have read it? If anyone has a link to it could it be posted?
gerryguk7 says:
What did you hear??
Love the tone today Paul67.
BrookNoArgument CSC
Seville67 says:
14 November, 2011 at 11:53
re the chaning across the stadium, one side to the oher side, etc
i think this has been the way of it in the French league for several years
i attended a match at Nice (v Bordeaux) last season – small stadium but crackin atmosphere due to that very activity, generally
one guy at one end with a megaphone whipped up the crowd over there and then another fella with another megaphone whipped up his side of the ground in reply
worked a treat
we tried the same thing last week up at CP at the u19s
200-300 “junior green brigade” chanted come on you bhoys in green, from the back of the main stand, and fans on the other side (north stand) attempted to reply
only thing was, there were only 10-15 fans over there to reply, haha, didn’t quite come off
God loves a trier tho
:)
Just seen the story re young McLean at the Buddies possibly on the move.
Would love to seee him in the hoops, a great looking prospect.
Terrific balance, touch and awareness, smashing footballer.
Jeezo! Moonbeams, yir like a dug wae a bone today!
Keep it lit mi amigo.
V
HH
Looks like a day for new posters to pop up with strange views. Wonder why?
MWD
“So I should just trust our PLC without reservation.”
Not my argument at all.
I just said that I expect they will be defending Celtic against the charge once the charge is known. Whether we have strong grounds for a defence will become clearer once the charge is known too. At the moment we are tilting our lances at imagined windmills. I have been impressed by the number of new monikers, appearing here today, claiming to know exactly what we did at the Rennes game and what we need to stop doing but saying they need not tell us because we are smart enough to know for ourselves.
We sure are blessed as a support to have so many with superpowers amongst our support.
At the Rennes Game? I heard “Ooohh Ahh Up the ‘Ra” being sung during the Celtic Symphony. Arguably (although I acknowledge not definitively” a song in support of the Provisional IRA. In the context of other songs being sang glorifiying the Hunger Strikers I think it’s arguable that “Up The ‘Ra” can be understood as a demonstration of support for a proscribed organisation.
Like I said, I reserve my opinion as to whether these songs satisfy the definitions relevant to UEFA’s codes of practice, but those who feel that this type of singing is acceptable at a football game ought not to fear the ramifications of any scrutiny, regardless the scrutineer. Their case could be made during the investigation.
coorslad
am doon tae ma last 14p on paddy power
have blown the whole lot on the Sligo fella
no pressure
:)
Posting for the 1st time today cos i am pure ragin but am no a hun!
You all sound like huns for not taking this on the chin. There were pure hunners of IRA songs sung at the game. i was there and heard them. i have been going to Celtic Park for 100 years and sit in Row A, Seat 4, Section 112. Cos i know a seat number that proves i am a tim.
doesn’t matter who reported it or even if it was true. What matters is the whole world will now know we have a problem as big a problem as the Rangers have.
Rangers are sitting top of the league, clear at the top should we not be talking about that instead of whether one of her brittanic majestys loyal constabulary told the truth to uefa?
all the lodge jokes are pathetic aswell. there is no way it matters if the guy is in the craft, he heard what he heard.
lets just accept the truth we are as bad as them and then we can concentrate on trying to catch rangers who will win 4 in a row which will make me pure raging. honest
SFTB
Agreed. Apologies.
I love new posters.
MWD
As ‘BOTOB’ seems to be the ONLY song with a problem because of the “I joined the IRA” line – Why not change that line to “I played football the Celtic Way” or “I played the Celtic Way”
It would rhyme in nicely with the song, would promote Celtic FC and of course would seriously piss off the other side.
And you could keep singing it to your hearts content.
We’ve adapted other songs like “Just can’t get enough” to give them a CFC context.
It wouldn’t take much from the sentiment of the original song and would possibly make it more appropriate to being sung at a fooball match.
“.. When being just a lad like you,
I played football the Celtic Way”
What do you think?
Paul67
I expect the nugget in question to hint at supposed ‘death threats’ in the coming days and after a week or so of anti-Celtic headlines to state he never actually accused anyone of that.
Never thought I would see the day, Celtic fans using the word ‘Fenian’ would end up with us being investigated.
All together now ‘PADDY MCCOURT’S….’
HH
Voguepunter
Using numbers is a means of masking their poor literary skills!
I can just imagine the prosecution argument against Josef K ( the Kafka character not the Glasgow band)
“Aye, there’s no charge sheet and you won’t get to hear the complainer or the witnesses but we know that you know fine well what you’ve done”
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon says:
14 November, 2011 at 12:32
I’m not new, but infrequent, but will accept that I do have some strange views!!
Glad you’re back posting Gordon, always enjoy reading your views.
Has FF crashed or something?