Well done to the Daily Record for revealing that SFA referee, Eddie Smith, was the policeman who reported Celtic fans to Uefa for singing offensive songs against Rennes last month. Smith was one of the referees who declined to make his services available as referees went on strike last season while Celtic took-on the SFA amid accusations of lies, bullying, sectarian behaviour and cover-ups among referees at the association. He is no longer on the Grade 1 list.
Following the strike the SFA Head of Referee Administration was removed from his post and referee, Dougie MacDonald, who was accused of lying to Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, resigned, prompting then-Celtic chairman, Dr John Reid, to say the club felt vindicated in raising their concerns.
Vindicated, no doubt, but with more than a few feeling bitter towards the club.
While the Daily Record can reflect on some good work today, bizarrely, the Scotsman newspaper accused Celtic fans of sectarian chanting at the Rennes game, something even police-gossip, Eddie Smith, didn’t accuse them of.
Why stop at accusations of sectarian behaviour? If the Scotsman are going to be ridiculous, why not accused Celtic fans of genocide and treason? Better still, just say lots of them have funny names, go to strange schools but will never ascent to the British throne.
Celtic have 123-years of non-sectarian history, it is downright offensive to suggest otherwise.
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Gerrybhoy
You obviously do not go to Home games or you would realise that “these songs” are not sung.
JJ
Lads why are they calling it Illicit chanting though?
Sectarian —————-> Offensive ———–> Inappropriate ——————–> Illicit.
watchthisspaceCSC
p.s Will Aberdeen fans be reported for self deprecation?
hen1rik
because they can’t use the words ‘sectarian chanting’ as there was none… ;)
Jungle Jim says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:18
Nail On Hit Head.
Coorslad, you’re af the christmas list …… join the que :¬)
13:10 Industry
SP Betfair
1st 14. Rossa Parks 26 150.57
2nd 2. Sligo Publican 11 22.06
3rd 4. Theleze 1.73 1.85
4th 1. Saoirse’s Sister
However on the plus side, I discovered a long lost £50 sitting in a betfair account, it was a wee bit left over from the last time we won the league, had 1K on it…… happy days!
Vinny
HH Coors
2010 Never Again
You can just about set your watch by them. A new article posted and on they come. <:-))
Seville
Very few want to hear about the pira being sung about that wasn’t what you where discussing on the previous thread with bsr and others,the discussion was not a black and white topic of defence and attack of such songs being sung.
Ernie – it’s a big jump to assume that I equate IRA songs/add-ons with the Irish flag. People who find the Irish flag offensive are the reason I support Celtic. People who find the IRA references offensive come from much wider (in mind and in number) part of society.
My point is that we don’t even have to engage with the offensive chanting debate – we don’t need these songs to celebrate Irish culture and they can be easily binned without affecting the expression of Irish culture by our support. We quite rightly fought to keep the Irish flag, this isn’t a fight we need to fight.
Craiginho
Jungle Jim,
Since I live and work in Germany these days, I don’t get there as often as I would like any more but a couple of my M8s do, so I rely on their input, plus I have heard it at away games; no question.
Declan, thanks for that.
ET, no question; I agree with you on BOTH counts.
Awe_naw, words fail me; ’nuff said.
HH Gerry
Steinreignedsupreme @ 13.11
HMRC.CSC
Let me get this straight:
a Tim referee fails and then becomes a policeman who reports Celtic fans for soon-to-be-illegal singing to a hun lackey who now works for Uefa ?
and no consultation with the club ?
and no indication of what the soon-to-be-illegal songs are ?
Jeezo
pigalle
Hi Coorslad, I can’t believe you had CQN’ers betting on this race! even the huns will like this yin.
ps language is not for children.
Coorslad rather rude tip of the day!
V
HH
CELTIC are facing punishment from Uefa over “illicit chanting” by their supporters.
European football’s governing body will decide at a meeting of the Control and Disciplinary Committee on December 8 whether the Parkhead club has been guilty of unsporting behaviour.
And the Glasgow club will NOT be allowed to defend itself at the meeting in Uefa headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, next month.
The charges relate to the club’s Europa League game with French club Rennes at Parkhead on November 3.
Celtic won the Group I match 3-1, but Uefa match delegate Christian Kofoed, of Denmark, mentioned instances of “illicit chanting” in his match report to the governing body.
Strathclyde Police today confirmed that former top flight referee Eddie Smith was the match commander who mentioned “several instances of offensive singing” to Mr Kofoed.
Celtic officials confirmed they are looking into the claims, which are believed to centre on songs about the IRA.
If found guilty, the club faces a range of sanctions, which include financial penalties, being forced to play home games behind closed doors, and their supporters being banned from travelling to European matches abroad .
A Uefa spokesman today confirmed: “Clubs are not allowed to attend the control and disciplinary body meetings.
“If Celtic are found guilty then they have three days in which to lodge an appeal.
“If they decide to appeal, then they will be allowed to represent themselves at a meeting of the appeal body. That will probably be heard early next year.”
The control and disciplinary body will be chaired by Austrian official Dr Thomas Partl.
Those who will decide Celtic’s fate are Jacques Antenen (Switzerland), Sandor Berzi (Hungary), Emilio Garcia Silvero (Spain), Lorentenz Hans (Germany), Jim Stjerne Hansen (Denmark), Ioan Antelo Lupescu (Romania), Rudolph Repka (Czech Republic), James Shaw (Northern Ireland) and Joel Wolff (Luxembourg)
Sandman is Neil Lennon —–
” watching us all over the lunchtime news bulletins ” —
Yes — indeed —
All over the ‘ new media ‘ in Europe too —— ” sectarian ” offensive ” ” IRA ” ” Songs of Hate ” etc etc
People with an agenda —— Scottish politicians/ the Scottish Establishment / The Scottish media / The Scottish Police etc etc will be utterly delighted..
Folk Devils and Moral Panics . Labelling and Reification in action . Something must be done.. Something will be done .
Take care -if you live in Scotland and support Celtic you are being stitched up.
GerryBhoy says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:25
you cant handle the truth ?
When did the PIRA start blowing the windows out of the financial district in Old Holborn that lead to the British government opening meaningful dialogue ?
Clue for you. It wasn´t the seventies ?
This lead to the peace process.
It is not really a surprise that you do not know your history … what with your Stockholm syndrome and all
Hail Hail
2010 Never Again
Did we all agree a wee while ago…that more than 2 huns in the same place equalled an infestation?
GerryBhoy
If your mates tell you these songs are sung at Celtic Park well, let me be kind, they are exaggerating wildly. I sit about 40 yards from the GB and the only thing A SMALL NUMBER of them chant,is Oo ah up the RA. I don`t like it but it is not sectarian.
JJ
2010 Never Again
Is Stockholm near Govan?
TopCorner says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:07
Vmhan
there was music there in the Diore air,
like a language that we all could understand
:)
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Ahhhhhhhh! thats a song I’ll go to my grave to.
HH to ye sir!
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:25
Seville
Very few want to hear about the pira being sung about that wasn’t what you where discussing on the previous thread with bsr and others,the discussion was not a black and white topic of defence and attack of such songs being sung.
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I am now confused. You claim that I have blown my credibility but are frankly all over the place.
One post says fight for every inch the next you don’t want to hear PIRA songs.
I am confused. But never mind I have no credibility.
Seville67
Afternoon all. If this question has previously been asked, I apologise in advance.
So Eddie Smith has reported Cetic fans for offensive singing. Just what criteria does EUFA rely on to make a judgement on such matters? Do they simply work on the say so of a man of potentially questionable motives. Do they make a request to the televison companies for video evidence? Would they talk to the match officials, who, since they aren’t from the UK, might not even have been aware of a song that was offensive in the first place? Or is it a combination of all of them? It also makes you wonder if it is a bit like someone complaining about an advert. In other words, if 10,000 people complain, then the advertising authorities tend to site up and take notice. Whereas if there is just one complaint, then they wouldn’t take matters so seriously.
I’m not saying anyone did, or did not, sing an offensive song. If they did then hell mend them. However, I watched the game on TV, and I didn’t hear anything I would have called offensive. I also work on the assumption that you are innocent until proven guilty.
Hail Hail
GerryBhoy ( and anybody else bleating about what offensive are songs sung at Celtic Park)
Your mates are wrong.
Try and get to a home game, and keep up to speed with what is, and isn’t sung.
BTW you still haven’t said – What is sung? and neither has any poster coming on with indignation about Celtic’s recent history, because they have
been brainwashed by the Press.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:30
I was there in the 70s & my guess is that you were NOT. Since my degree is in English & HISTORY, I don’t need comments from wannabe keyboard hardmen regarding my grip on geopolitics.
Jungle Jim, sorry but it is ‘RA stuff that does not belong at the football club IMO. It may have some validity outside football for some folks but it does us no favours as a great support.
HH Gerry
Regarding the so called “Pro IRA” chants.
I may be wrong, and frequently am, but I do not believe the Provisional IRA to be a proscribed organistation anymore. As I recall following the final report of Sir John De Chastelain’s decommisioning body it was confirmed that the PIRA Army Council had put all its weapons beyond use, stood down all members and disbanded the Army Council. This then lifted the embargo on full implementation of the Good Friday Agreement. It would be impossible to be a member of a proscribed organisation which no longer existed.
i knew when i posted today there would be folk calling me a hun just because i have a view different form the rest. i have told you where i sit at parkhead. i am not a hun, no way. just want to say that
anyway i cant be a hun becase i know how to spell
haha
Jungle Jim says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:30
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Thank you for that affirmation, I’ve been posting similar over the last few days…….. maybe folk will listen to you’re words?
my posts about those particular words ……. are that you’ll hear certain add ons from all around the ground, from where I stand in 111 the Green Brigade area…… they sing oooh ah up the Celts. There are people at the Celtic games who hear what they want to hear IMO
ps TBB this is defo not a dig at you, I mean that in all honesty.
V
HH
ernie lynch says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:12
Superintendent David Brand of the Football for Co-operation Unit for Scotland (FoCUS) took part in an online debate The Final Whistle Scottish Football Show and said: ‘There is no definition of what is a sectarian offence’.’
There’s a definition of what constitutes offences aggravated by religious prejudice, which amounts to the same thing.
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Yeah bud, i know that.
My point was how can they justify tying ‘offensive’ to ‘sectarian’
when in their opinion they have no definition of a sectarian offence?
we have been tarred and feathered here guys.
this battle they have won.
“All over the ‘ new media ‘ in Europe too —— ” sectarian ” offensive ” ” IRA ” ” Songs of Hate ” etc etc
People with an agenda —— Scottish politicians/ the Scottish Establishment / The Scottish media / The Scottish Police etc etc will be utterly delighted..”
when alls said and done, we know what and who we are…that’ll do for me.
BSR,
I never miss a home game.
When were you last there ?
Seville67
I actually thought that Declan Is Neil Lennon 1888 was one of our own, making a parody of the average amateur, undercover hunposter.
If that’s not the case, he might as well dress in black and white stripes and carry a bag with “swag” written on it next time he visits his grandmother.
Declan, read your last line “anyway i cant be a hun becase i know how to spell”
Oh the irony……….,
SFFS
Declan…
Your spelling may be correct but your syntax is dreadful. We use capital letters for I. Jog on.
GerryBhoy says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:38
This is where you are wrong I lived in London from 1975 – 1980. (Streatham)
Geopolitics you haven’t even a scoobie on your local politics.
Stop trying to sound clever your obviously an uneducated idiot and a HUN.
Hail Hail
Seville67
Please list the offensive songs you heard that evening.
DEClan
go back to school .. choose a Catholic one take GeoGerry with you.
Hail Hail
I feel some of the opinions of CQN of late have been a bit OTT in terms of their sense of embattlement. But that’s just my opinion and I come on here precisely because it’s a broad church of different views from entirely well-meaning people.
Just to play devil’s advocate regarding the rebel singing…
Christine Graham and her like are doubtlessly promoting the legislation because they want Celtic to be dragged into the mud alongside the hun, and doubtlessly they are being abetted by elements in the polis. Therefore sectarian singing (i.e. racial and religious hatred) is equated with ‘offensive’ (i.e. pro-IRA) singing.
But what happens if, by changing the law, they inadvertantely HELP Celtic by diminishing or indeed ending the provo singing among our away support, once and for all, thus relieving the rest of us of the embarassment, and making our club more palatable to a many other ordinary Scots and a move to a foreign e.g. English league? I mean, wouldn’t that be a good outcome? (I’m addressing this question to the grown-ups, not the 10% selfish adolescents who still believe singing provo stuff is in our club’s interests.)
The reason I say this is that it is my belief that the huns will NEVER be able to fully ditch their bile and hatred, because that’s precisely what their club is all about, whereas, as Paul points out, ‘Celtic have 123-years of non-sectarian history’, and I don’t think it would take much (e.g. a legal change) to rid ourselves of this stuff which, whether you find it ‘offensive’ or not, has nothing to do with Celtic FC and is about a tragic, violent conflict that is now over.
We should still sing Irish folk songs that celebrate the club’s heritage. OK, struggle is a big part of Irish folk music, so for songs that fall into a grey area, such as BOTOB, why not we agree as a support, as an earlier poster suggested, to change ‘I joined the IRA’ to ‘I joined the Old Brigade’? etc.
We are at a crossroads. But maybe there’s an opportuinity here whereby our enemies have played right into OUR hands?.
owen says:
14 November, 2011 at 13:39
Regarding the so called “Pro IRA” chants.
I may be wrong, and frequently am, but I do not believe the Provisional IRA to be a proscribed organistation anymore. As I recall following the final report of Sir John De Chastelain’s decommisioning body it was confirmed that the PIRA Army Council had put all its weapons beyond use, stood down all members and disbanded the Army Council. This then lifted the embargo on full implementation of the Good Friday Agreement. It would be impossible to be a member of a proscribed organisation which no longer existed.
Owen, that may be very true BUT WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH CELTIC FOOTBALL CLUB? The club has been clear that they want songs/chants relating to those events to cease. What’s so hard to understand?
A section of our support are determined to give the sectarian football association the arms and ammunition to shoot us down and include us with the Govanites. Shame on us for being so stoopid!
HH Gerry