Referees: we can only shine a light

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I doubt very much if there was a conspiracy between referees in Scottish football over the weekend, that does not happen.  They cross the white line making their own decisions.

Whether they are just terrible, compromised, or perform well in difficult conditions, is not the consequence of some grand plan.  In my view, they are not good enough to do the tasks required and on Sunday inhibited Celtic’s chances of winning the title.

They will close ranks this week, they always do. All we can do is continue to shine a light.

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  1. Helensburgh, Mrs TT and I have often said if we went hame tae live we would look at living there, Cardross tae, in fact the last time we were over we rented a flat at the latter. Handy for the Bonnie Banks via the Black Hill.

     

     

    At one time there were allegedly more millionaires per head of population there than any other location in Europe, as such it was always a Tory constituency in red Dumbartonshire West.

     

     

    They are now with Argyll and have regretted that move as they were better treated by the local Labour government in Dumbarton than the torys of Argyll.

     

     

    The only Tim area that I can recall was Kirkmichael which was/is yer typical housing scheme. There used tae be a CSC that ran out of there but it amalgamated with the Lomond CSC in Dumbarton.

     

     

    That bus would leave Alexandria head up Luss Road, over the Black Hill tae Helensburgh and then intae Dumbarton.

     

     

    The day of the last Lisbon Lions appearance against Clyde, we had clinched the Title on the Thursday, we were all blootered by the time the bus passed through Cardross.

     

     

    There is a pub beside Helensburgh Station that is reckoned tae be a Tim shop.

  2. I dont know of a tim shop in helensburgh, and have been there on occasions that thems have been playing and witnessed many a currant bun outside the bottle shops.

     

     

    nice views, bt i owuldnt want to live there.

  3. WO FINANCIAL experts whose actions in trying to save Rangers fell below an ‘ordinarily competent’ standard have been ordered to pay £3.4 million to the club’s liquidators.

     

    Judge Lord Tyre found on Wednesday that David Whitehouse and Paul Clark breached their duties whilst acting as administrators at the then ailing club.

     

    In a judgement issued at the Court of Session in Edinburgh, Lord Tyre ordered the duo to hand over £3,404,500 to financial services firm BDO.

     

    The company had won the sum following proceedings which were heard at Scotland’s highest civil court earlier this years.

     

    BDO’s legal team told Lord Tyre that both Mr Whitehouse and Mr Clark failed to cut costs sufficiently well enough after they were drafted into save the club almost 10 years ago.

     

    Advocate Kenny McBrearty QC claimed the pair could have stopped the club from being liquidated by and made it more attractive to potential buyers by making staff redundant.

     

    Mr McBrearty also told the court that both Mr Whitehouse and Mr Clark could have sold on players like Steven Naismith, Steven Whittaker, Maurice Edu and Kyle Lafferty.

     

    He also said that Mr Whitehouse and Clark should have considered selling club assets like training ground Murray Park. The lawyer said the pair should have thought about a deal which would have seen Ibrox being sold and being leased back to the club.

     

    In a 125 page judgement, Lord Tyre agreed with the submissions made by Mr McBrearty.

     

    Writing about the way Mr Whitehouse and Mr Clark considered redundancies, Lord Tyre wrote that the men relied too much on a report which had been provided to them by manager Ally McCoist.

     

    He wrote: “I address firstly the steps taken by the respondents to inform themselves of the factors relevant to their decision-making in relation to player and non-player redundancies and player sales.

     

    “In my opinion the respondents’ actings in this regard fell below the standard reasonably to be expected of an ordinarily competent administrator in a number of respects.

     

    “I am satisfied that the respondents acted without having taken independent advice on certain critical matters about which they required to be informed.

     

    “As regards player redundancies, they relied upon the opinion of the manager, Mr McCoist, whom they ought not to have regarded as being in a position to offer a dispassionate opinion as to the number of possible redundancies that could be made while leaving the club with a squad capable of fulfilling its fixtures, or the identities of the players who could be released.

     

    “It is noteworthy that his list included only four players proposed for release from contract, three of whom were in any event out of contract in three months’ time, and one (Alexander) in the twilight of his career.

     

    “The respondents regarded Mr McCoist’s proposal as insufficient but failed to follow through the implication of this, ie that they needed to obtain advice from someone else.

     

    “The consequence was that by the time of the negotiations of wage reductions, the respondents did not have a reliable list of potential redundancies to use when making a comparison with the savings obtainable from wage reductions.”

     

    Mr Whitehouse, and Mr Clark – who were employed by financial services firm, Duff & Phelps – were appointed by the Court of Session as administrators after HMRC took Rangers to court for £18m of unpaid tax in February 2012.

     

    The two men went on to sell the business and assets of the Oldco to Charles Green’s consortium for £5.5m before BDO were appointed to liquidate the old company.

     

    The three men were later among seven indicted over fraud allegations relating to Rangers – before the case against them was dropped in June 2016.

     

    Both Mr Whitehouse and Mr Clark raised a multi million pound action against the police and prosecutors last year. Prosecutors admitted the case against the duo was “malicious” and conducted “without probable cause”.

     

    They both received multi million pound settlements.

     

    Prosecutors also admitted that Mr Green, who was also arrested during the probe and eventually acquitted, was wrongfully taken to court – and that the prosecution against him was malicious.

     

    At proceedings earlier this year, Mr McBrearty told the court that the two administrators acted negligently.

     

    He said: “What we have said is that a hallmark of negligence is the failure to take advice. What we have said is that a common hallmark of negligence is a failure to take specialist advice from people experienced in the business of the company.”

     

    Both Mr Whitehouse and Mr Clark denied the negligence claim.

     

    Their legal team claimed that they didn’t want to sell players on, make redundancies, or sell assets as they feared that these moves would put off potential buyers.

     

    However, Lord Tyre rejected the claims.

     

    He said the evidence available showed that by not selling on players or making redundancies, they had failed in their duties as administrators to minimise costs and maximise revenues.

     

    He wrote that both Mr Whitehouse and Mr Clark could have sold on players to clubs outside the transfer window. The court heard such a measure was possible providing that clubs agreed that the moves weren’t completed until the transfer window opened.

     

    He wrote: “I have already observed that I do not accept the respondents’ evidence that they considered and rejected a strategy of player sales because they wished to keep the squad intact for prospective purchasers.

     

    “It is in my view much more likely that they did not fully investigate player sales because they proceeded on the assumption that none could take place except to clubs playing in countries whose transfer window was open, but which were not markets in which Rangers players would usually be sold.

     

    “The evidence..demonstrates that sales outside the transfer window, although uncommon, are not prohibited, provided that both clubs and the player are content with a situation in which the player remains unregistered with the purchasing club until the opening of the next window.”

     

    Lord Tyre also wrote that the administrators should have accepted a £1.7 million bid made in April 2012 from West Bromwich Albion for Steven Naismith.

     

    The court heard that the administrators refused the bid on the basis that Naismith had a £2 million buy out clause in his contract and that the bid was too low to activate it.

     

    But Lord Tyre concluded that Mr Whitehouse and Mr Clark acted incorrectly.

     

    Making reference to calculations made by Duff & Phelps employee Simon Shipperlee about the impact of accepting the bid, Lord Tyre wrote: “In my opinion the respondents were in breach of duty in failing to decide to accept the final offer of £1.7million made on 13April.

     

    “As Mr Shipperlee calculated at the time, the offer to relieve the company of Mr Naismith’s wage bill meant that the offer was worth about £1.85 million, as compared to the figure of £2 million in the buy out clause which in practical terms was the highest amount for which the company could have sold the player.”

     

    Lord Tyre wrote that the administrators should have done more to consider selling on Murray Park and selling Ibrox to lease it back.

     

    He wrote that these moves could have also helped the club’s financial position. This was because the bids being made for the club wouldn’t have allowed it to meet its financial obligations.

     

    Lord Tyre wrote: “It ought, in my view, to have been apparent to the respondents at least from the time when indicative bids of around £10 million were being received, that there was a likelihood that a sale of the entirety of the business as a going concern would not maximise the return for creditors.

     

    “Exploration of other options would have lengthened the period of the administration, with cost implications, but in the predicament in which the respondents found themselves, it seems to me that it was something that had to be done, and that the respondents were in breach of their duty in failing to do so.”

     

    In the judgement, Lord Tyre broke down the ££3,404,500 on the following basis – £977,500 for failing to sell on ‘marketable’ players, £827,000 for failing to sell on Steven Naismith, £750,000 for failing to consider the ‘lease and sale’ of Ibrox, and £850,000 for the ‘loss of chance’ of selling on Murray Park.

     

    Lord Tyre concluded: I hold that the noters are entitled.. to an order that the respondents contribute the following sum to the company’s property by way of compensation for breach of duty.”

     

    ends.

  4. Squirrel King @ 3.53

     

     

    Helensburgh — A bit like FW then?

     

    Still waiting for the CFC pubs in the Fort called Wullie.

     

     

    Surely not Sonny’s / Sammy’s Sports Bar.

  5. Tontine Tim on 6th October 2021 3:51 pm

     

    Saint Stivs on 6th October 2021 3:53 pm

     

     

    Cheers, thanks for the Info. The wife likes Helensburgh, I prefer Gourock, but really struggling to find a house in Gourock that doesn’t need crampons to use the garden. I think the new swimming pool and gym due to open next year are big selling points. Not given up on Gourock yet and I like Greenock west.

  6. I wouldnt call it Tim Friendly, but it does have a fair number of celtic supporters in it, and a supporters bus running from the Royale Club, will post some links when i get home.

     

     

    Some right good Port tims moved down there and changed the dynamics a fair bit.

  7. So the Scottish taxpayers’ money is eventually going to BDO and only resting in the Duff and Phelps lads accounts for a while. Hope they haven’t spent it!

  8. I wonder if Salmond’s protection of ‘ the fabric of Scottish society ‘ will be revealed….

  9. Rock Tree Bhoy on

    My goodness, you don’t half get some junk on the internet, here’s an example from Football Tavern ,

     

     

    “Pundit Alan Hutton believes Celtic are relying too heavily on summer signing Kyogo Furuhashi, Football Insider report.

     

     

    ex Rangers player Hutton, who regularly features on BBC Radio 5 Live, was asked by Football Insider if the Hoops had relied too much on Furuhashi.

     

     

    Here’s what the Scot had to say, labelling the forward’s impact as ‘massive’, believing Celtic could struggle again if Furuhashi is absent again.

     

     

     

    “Yeah, I think so.

     

     

    “I think we’ve seen when he’s out injured there’s that thing of: ‘Right, what do we do now? What plan are we going for?’

     

     

     

    “Ajeti and people like that have come in. They have scored goals but have not been that figure where you think: ‘Right, you’re going to turn this game on its head.’

     

     

     

    bla bla bla, a load of old tosh, which I just thought I would share with you :-)

  10. MADMITCH on 6TH OCTOBER 2021 3:04 PM

     

     

    “Politics dear boy — politics.

     

     

    That and a good memory.”

     

     

    Super. Back to the birthrate and its effect on the economy, what would you say the effect of attitudes that people shouldn’t have kids they can’t afford will have?

     

     

    “The birthrate in England and Wales peaked in 1964 when the number of children per woman averaged 2.93. Last year it was 1.58, well below the 2.1 replacement level needed to keep the population rate stable, and in Scotland it was even lower at 1.29.”

     

     

    In France they’re paying people to have kids, in Italy the government increasing child benefit payments to make having children more affordable. Italy is waking up too late to the problems it’s facing, we’ll be looking at something similar if we restrict immigration, and dont arrest the decline in the birthrate.

     

     

    If we’re telling people they shouldn’t have more children if they cant afford them, the long term economic outlook demands that we find the money for them to do it, rather than making it more difficult.

     

     

    How does Boris’s dream of a highly-skilled, highly-paid workforce fit in with that?

  11. squire danaher on

    Hun administration

     

     

    They tried to sign the apparently out of contract D Cousin the day after they went into administration, arguing that it would make them a more attractive proposition to asset buyers.

     

     

    I recall Dundee FC appointing administrators at 9am on a Friday and half the staff were dismissed that lunchtime.

     

     

    The Huns went into administration and tried to spend even more money.

     

     

    Normal rules do not and never will apply.

  12. C40 @ 4.45

     

     

    We need to increase the birth rate.

     

    We cannot rely on the Global South to do our breeding for us.

     

    Immoral to take their best and brightest to wipe erses in the Global North.

     

    No matter that they want to come — they need to stay and build their own countries.

     

     

    How to increase the birth rate?

     

     

    Cheaper / better child care.

     

    8am till 6pm schooling — Breakfast clubs / After school clubs / Homework clubs.

     

    Universal child benefit with higher rates — might include a taper to help the politics.

     

    More flexible career paths.

     

    Bigger / better houses.

     

    Less emigration.

  13. MADMITCH on 6TH OCTOBER 2021 5:04 PM

     

     

    That’s almost word for word what the report you rubbished is suggesting

  14. Rock Tree Bhoy on

    SQUIRE DANAHER on 6TH OCTOBER 2021 4:48 PM

     

     

    I remember that time quite clearly, here they were going into liquidation because they had no money to pay their mountain of debts and yet they were trying to add to the mountain by borrowing / spending more money so they could by Daniel Cousins.

     

     

    it made no sense at all at the time but it did give us a clue that this would be no ordinary liquidation, they weren’t going to go quietly, still thought they could wright the rules to suit themselves and of course the peepul still think that.

     

     

    What an opportunity lost, if things had gone the way they should have Ibrox would now be just another Supermarket.

  15. BoJo and his new economy — is he going to let one of his brood drive a lorry?

     

    My thoughts are that he has found a new flag and is waving it to take the heat of his other failures.

     

     

    His young team and their “Britannia Unchained” pot boiler let the cat out of the bag.

     

    We are all seemingly skivers and shirkers — clock watchers and pension addicts.

     

    If we go all in on efficiency and productivity there are going to be a lot of casualties.

     

    People on the dole who will need a lot of work to get them up to speed.

     

     

    Since 1979 it has been all about flexibility — the hire and fire of low skilled / cheap warm bodies.

     

    It worked for a while in the 80’s when we were the cheapest labour in the EU.

     

    Not so much when we got our wish and the EU expanded south and east.

     

     

    TB / GB made a lot of improvements with the minimum wage and pointing more people towards higher education.

     

     

    However the ConDemNation austerity cluster *uck stopped all that in its tracks and it was back to hire and fire / cheap and not so cheerful. The only recent positive has been the political posturing over the level of the minimum wage to push it forward.

     

     

    Consequently

  16. C40 @ 5.18

     

     

    The SMF is not a progressive organisation.

     

    It can be radical when required and it can cut and paste with the best of them.

     

     

    The report you highlighted would appear to be at a level I could knock up in 30 minutes based on personal experience and a few school bus stop conversations — I would have hoped for better from a 32 year old think tank if it is indeed top rank.

     

     

    As noted before it has too many LibDems involved to make it truly progressive.

  17. C40 @ 5.19

     

     

    Reduce emigration — better opportunities spread wider at home.

     

    Spread the wealth — stop the thick end of the privately educated middle class from hoovering up the good jobs.

  18. MADMITCH on 6TH OCTOBER 2021 5:40 PM

     

     

    Right. But you’d agree with the reports suggestions, no?

     

     

    How would you implement a no emigration policy?

     

     

    How would our economy grow if we’re limiting immigration to the few northern hemisphere countries that will come here that aren’t in the EU?

  19. squire danaher on

    ROCK TREE BHOY on 6TH OCTOBER 2021 5:29 PM

     

     

    Indeed.

     

     

    If only.

     

     

    Scotland would be a better place.

  20. C40 @ 5.27

     

     

    Emigration and Immigration both have to be managed.

     

    The change that any society can manage is limited.

     

    Especially if it involves external pressures.

     

     

    Open borders will mean shanty towns and tar paper shacks in the areas where most people want to go. If the gap is so wide and the opportunity is so great then people will put up with terrible living conditions for a generation to make the jump.

     

     

    Exploitation would then be endemic.

     

     

    Then you have the issue of fairness where it will be those with the disposable income that can make the jump / afford the travel while the poor are left behind.

     

     

    Then you have the all to likely — see the Tory party conference for evidence — horrible scenario off the new arrivals wanting to pull up the drawbridge after they and their pals have made it to wherever they want to go.

     

     

    Consequently the whole topic is a can of worms.

     

    Individual advancement vs societal loss — discuss.

     

     

    Any country with a poor medical service — for things to improve their doctors either stay or the outside world sends their own to help out.

     

     

    Misery go round would be one way to look at it.

  21. C40 @ the madam

     

     

    I said less emigration would help the birth rate / population numbers.

     

    I did not say stop emigration.

     

     

    I offered suggestions as to how the emigration rate could be reduced.

     

    Your comments are just stirring at a snider level.

  22. MADMITCH on 6TH OCTOBER 2021 5:55 PM

     

     

    “Emigration and Immigration both have to be managed.”

     

     

    Of course, but you seem to be imagining a world where a country can seriously limit the number of people leaving and coming in. On the grounds that you know what’s best for both groups. Ignoring market forces in a global economy and implementing policies which ignore the free choice of individuals.

     

     

    I don’t like the sound of that. And its unworkable in a democracy. And totally impractical if you want a growing economy.

     

     

    Its a crazy way of solving a problem like a low birthrate and will cause more problems than the problem its trying to solve

  23. If I may intrude on MM’s Sociology and Politics lectures, I submitted this to BBC Complaints thus morning…

     

     

    In Sportscene’s coverage of Sunday’s Rangers v Hibernian match, the highlights and subsequent pundit discussion paid adequate attention to the game-changing red card incident in the 30th minute. However, inexplicably, the highlights omitted a similar incident in the 3rd minute, which was not penalised. This incident could also have had a material effect on the outcome of the match and should have provided an ideal opportunity for the pundits to explain why one incident resulted in a red card while the other was deemed insufficiently serious to merit even the award of a free kick.

     

    Isn’t this the essence of why pundits are employed? Shouldn’t they be given the opportunity to share their in-depth knowledge of the game with the viewers?

     

    Sadly, and not for the first time, the editorial team at Sportscene has failed to include a key incident which reflects badly on the Ibrox club. This is a recurring feature of this programme and reflects badly on the BBC. Perhaps having an unbalanced roster of pundits, the vast majority of whom are ex-players of Rangers, is having an unbalanced effect on editorial decisions?

  24. The reply…

     

     

    Thanks for contacting us regarding Sportscene on 3 October and the highlights and analysis of Rangers v Hibernian.

     

     

    In choosing which match action and incidents to discuss in the limited time available, the team base their decisions on editorial merit and on their experience of determining the most significant highlights and talking points in each game. These are judgement calls rather than an exact science, and we certainly appreciate that not everyone will see an incident the same way or agree with every decision that’s made.

     

     

    We can assure you too that the BBC is not biased for or against Rangers FC, or for or against any club. Our reporting is undertaken fully in line with the BBC’s Editorial Guidelines and with the Broadcasting Code which is laid down by the independent industry regulator, Ofcom.

     

     

    Our contributors are appointed on the basis of their experience and knowledge of the game, not which club/s they may have played for during their careers. That Rangers may be one of the former clubs of some of our contributors is not indicative of bias – we’ll continue to hear from a wide range of contributors, whose collective careers span a wide range of clubs, across our coverage of season 21/22.

     

     

    Thank you for your feedback. We’ve shared your comments with the programme team and senior management.

     

     

    Arrogant ✅

     

    Dismissive ✅

     

    Pointless…sadly true 🙁

  25. C40 @ 5.47

     

     

    Improve the UK economy …

     

     

    Upskill at every level.

     

    More and better training

     

    Basic level of education to leave school.

     

     

    Better primary teaching.

     

    Shoot the authors of the Curriculum for Excellence — only flesh wounds though.

     

    More and better STEM teaching.

     

     

    Four week courses in starting your own business.

     

    Management shake up at certain large companies.

     

    Sack Not Jacinda and her crew of useless tw*tts.

     

    Increase investment in most businesses slowly — but do it for a long time.

  26. “I offered suggestions as to how the emigration rate could be reduced.

     

     

    Your comments are just stirring at a snider level.”

     

     

    I’m not. I didnt think that “creating more opportunities” was a serious suggestion. Its looking at the problem arse about face and its not a realistic solution in a global economy.

     

     

    Is this super-economy which will be so attractive to every person in every sector that they dont want to leave the UK or Scotland?

  27. Re Cousin- Willie McKay is his agent, he got his money……you need to get up early iin the morning to get one over on him….

  28. Quick update on Garry Duncan fundraising to support the family deal with the sudden loss of their Dad, a loving Grandad, and a great friend of our community.

     

     

    At 6pm Tues 5th, there had been just under £2750 raised

     

     

    Can we get to £3000 by closing date on Friday ???

     

     

    Will go a long way in supporting the family, deal with the unplanned costs associated with Garry’s sad passing.

     

     

    🙏🙏🙏

     

     

    Please support if at all possible :::::

     

     

    The CQN/Sentinelcelts community, and the many friends of Garry Duncan aka Delaneys Dunky, would like to commemorate Garry’s life and friendship as well pay respect to his recent untimely passing.

     

     

    We have had many great suggestions from you on how we best commerate Garry’s life, including flowers, a memorial brick, donation to Mary’s meals and financial support for the family etc.

     

     

    Garry’s family, like so many others in our world today, is not a rich family and find their wealth is through the happiness of the family, so to have the burden of not only laying Garry to rest, but also the cost that goes with it is horrific .

     

     

    Having spoken with Garry’s son Ryan, we feel it appropriate to pass any monies raised direct to the family to let them decide the best way to use it

     

     

    Anyone who wants to support the family in leaving a long lasting commemoration in honour of Garry can do so through making a donation via bank transfer to –

     

     

    o Account name: Walk With Shay

     

     

    o Account number: 15326765

     

     

    o Sort code: 80-22-60

     

     

    o Bank: Bank of Scotland

     

     

    Please note – tick business account

     

     

    :You can also make a donation via paypal to walkwithshay@yahoo.com

     

     

    Donations will close on Friday 8th October

     

     

    Thank you in advance for supporting Garry and his family at this very difficult time.

     

     

    🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

     

     

    Huge Thanks to CRC for supporting, with the use of the Walk with Shay Legacy Fund/account, ensuring support can get there quickly