News (confirmed by his club) that our next Champions League opponents Juventus have opened negotiations with Athletic Blibao striker Fernando Llorente, ahead of a possible free-transfer move in the summer, appears to put recent fantasy stories about Gary Hooper supposedly moving to Turin in the correct context. Liverpool, who several newspapers also ‘reported’ were interested in Hooper, signed a different striker this week.
The relentless pillage of Celtic player’s names used to sell newspapers is wearisome, probably more so to those at the club hoping to convince Hooper, and Victor Wanyama, to sign new contracts. Chances of re-signing Hooper if he thinks Juventus and Liverpool are about to bid for him: 0%. Chances if it’s relegation battlers from England: considerably higher. I see a new front has been opened today on Beram. We have to ensure another 28 days of this nonsense.
Llorente is a current Spanish international and played a huge part in Atheltic’s march to the Europa League final last season, but I would not be too concerned if Juventus tried to secure him this month. Moving to Turin is notoriously challenging for strikers and Llorente has never been based outside of the Basque country.
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Highly tempremental- that was a great post at 1130am.
You should re-post it.
BBC weatherman has just predicted unrelenting rain for here until, at least, Sunday. Yet he finishes his speel by saying that, crucially, it will be DRY. Obviously, he is only concerned with ENGERLUND. Utter prat.
Paul 67 –
Amazing that people still fall for this stuff.
After all that has happened in the past couple of years, How can anyone believe what they read or hear in the media regarding Scottish football?
tommytwiststommyturns – philvis – all that was missing there was “Rule Britannia” ! Thumbs up…
Unfortunately that song has been tainted by plebs. We could do a few verses of Jerusalem though? (thumbsup)
Philvis
Maybe if people and companies would pay proper tax we wouldnt have to stir up moral panics about the unemployed.
The board will award each other handsome, interim bonuses in line with their outstanding achievements. Shareholders will receive a fat, interim dividend as a reward for appointing such a top class board. Then at year end the big bonuses and dividends will be paid out.
Moving players on might save paying some bonuses. Leaving even more for the bhoys in the boardroom.
Thanks for the replies about the RFC share price.
To be revisited.
Petethebeat
Is your telly broke? Even Jeremy Kyle is better than following the share price of a third division club! Maybe it’s cos their team are 17 points clear and looking forward to banking the 100 quid prize money for winning their league………
HH
Robert Tressell
Every business panders to it’s biggest purchaser.
I have not bought a newspaper for years and know a lot of Celtic supporters who do not now buy the daily record or other hun rags.
They are trying to survive in a market place that is shrinking fast due to the internet and internet bampots like us.
Circulation figures I saw recently had their daily sales down and dropping on a regular basis.
Maybe someone on here can make a wee coffin to place at their front door when they go under.
Well, they did it to us!
…although we did not indeed “go under”.
But you knew what I meant.
philvis
in work poverty is a major concern
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby – Maybe if people and companies would pay proper tax we wouldnt have to stir up moral panics about the unemployed.
Nope and nope.
We could try forcing people and companies to pay 100% tax and – even assuming all legal economic activity didn’t grind to a halt – it still wouldn’t make a dent in the national debt. Tax avoidance didn’t create this problem, government spending did. Grabbing more from taxpayers won’t solve the problem, only spending cuts can.
And there isn’t a moral panic about abuse of the benefits system. We are just becoming less cowed by political correctness as a society. People are less willing than they were five or ten years ago to pretend they don’t notice that there are too many people who are “at it”. (thumbsup)
Azerbaijan home of the Bhoys of Baku csc.
blantyretim – in work poverty is a major concern
And why? Because the government takes too much.
It takes too much from the salaries of the working poor, through income tax, through 20% VAT, through insanely expensive taxes on petrol, and through deliberate government policy (followed by both Labour and Tory governments) of keeping housing expensive. (thumbsup)
Has any one answered celtics request from the loovens incident for clarification and clarity on the proceedure involving the’ let’s make it up as we go along to pump the Celtic officer? ‘
philvis
also low pay, insecure part time employment..
So, the SFA’s Judicial Panel ban big Kelvin for two matches?
plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
“Anybody with the tiniest brain could only regard them as being biased and prejudiced.”
Paul McBride RIP
philvisreturns
13:31 on 3 January, 2013
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon – Yup.
The government may be run by posh boys, but they have put their fellow posh boy Ed Miliband in the awkward position of promising to freeze the wages of nurses, teachers, firemen, and the like, while increasing dole money for Jeremy Kyle’s guests. Let’s see how that one goes down with the unions and working Labour voters at the next election. Miliband has a knack for making Cameron look plausible.
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Most benefit recipients work – legitimately, that is they are not benefit ‘cheats’.
The largest beneficiaries of state handouts by the way? The rich.
How do I work that out?
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/11/21/the-corporate-welfare-state/
Nicholas Ridley is a great example of one of these ‘self made, hard workers’ who according to your world view rose to the top through dedication and hard graft. It’s complete nonsense of course. When this chap ‘took risks’ for economic growth he forced the country to mortgage his future at the start of the great bank bailout.
As usual you aim at the wrong targets.
steinreignedsupreme,
There are plenty on here who seem to be only too happy to regurgitate the rags’ nonsense. They were doing so with gusto this morning and with approval too (at least some of them). Why anyone would want to see the back of 2 of our most important players at this time baffles me? Foster and Hooper are absolutely essential for our European campaign and no amount of money will be worth their transfer at the minute.
Mind you, our manager has already suggested we don’t listen to Clyde and anyone who reads the record or sun, never mind that huge loss maker, the Herald, must have some idea of the audience they are pandering to.
blantyretim – also low pay, insecure part time employment..
Yup.
So if we lowered the cost of creating jobs, and lowered the tax rate of the working poor, we’d improve their lot, no? And in a way that is sustainable and rewards workers, not the workshy. (thumbsup)
philvisreturns
What we need to do is replicate the sort of societies our immigrants come from: poor wages, dangerous working conditions, no welfare system, no nhs, minimal education.
That way we’ll incentivise workers to work for pay and conditions that will allow investors to make a decent return on their capital.
Philvis
Im not talking about the abuse of the system,the way these islands have been run through my life rigs itself against unemployment being a temporary measure and as youve stated,we pay crazy money to live here.
Its as simple as this,there are plenty places to look before you start on the unemployed.
RobertTressell – Most benefit recipients work – legitimately, that is they are not benefit ‘cheats’.
That is a shocking indictment of the mission creep of the welfare state. No wonder we’re bankrupt.
The largest beneficiaries of state handouts by the way? The rich.
Nah. The top 10% of earners pay more than 50% of all taxes, according to the socialists at Al-Beebra:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8417205.stm
In contrast the bottom 10% contribute only 0.6 of taxes. Clearly then, the rich aren’t the biggest beneficiaries of government spending. The poor are. (thumbsup)
Are my eyes deceiving me or did I see advertisements for RTE on CQN? I can’t believe it!
ernie lynch – What we need to do is replicate the sort of societies our immigrants come from: poor wages, dangerous working conditions, no welfare system, no nhs, minimal education.
Doesn’t sound that far off the communist societies you so admire Ernie. (thumbsup)
philvisreturns
13:50 on 3 January, 2013
blantyretim – in work poverty is a major concern
And why? Because the government takes too much.
It takes too much from the salaries of the working poor, through income tax, through 20% VAT, through insanely expensive taxes on petrol, and through deliberate government policy (followed by both Labour and Tory governments) of keeping housing expensive. (thumbsup)
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For once I agree. But how to make up the shortfall? You’ve been cheerleading for worsening the pay and conditions of the public sector, slashing jobs in that sector – effectively asking for more people to end up on benefits. Go figure. Of course that’s not quite how you put it – the private sector in this scenario will somehow ride to the rescue. Well they’ve ridden in alright, with McJobs or with further downsizing. In some cases services have just been cut with no attempt to replace them. Public sector wages are decreasing in real terms and peope have less money to spend in the fabled private sector.
In my own experience I have less and less disposable cash – I am watching local shops and small businesses go to the wall and dealing on a daily basis with people who are facing redundancy.
2013 is going to be the harshest year yet when the ‘cuts’ really begin to bite.
The Tories have done their best to return us to Victorian values – working people forced to go to soup kitchens, an increasing reliance on charity rather than state assistance when people hit hard times. Maybe you don’t move in such circles, maybe you don’t see it or hear of it – but there is genuine and increasing poverty in the UK.
I am afraid to say that most of us who work cannot pay anymore, that is where we agree, but where we disagree is the remedy. The rich have to pay more. You cannot shrink the state in times of economic hardship and expect the economy to grow, it just doesn’t work. I fundamentally disagree that the public sector needs to shrink in any case, but even using the logic of the economic right it is absolute lunacy.
Why try to reform the welfare system in the middle of a depression?
philvisreturns
14:01 on 3 January, 2013
ernie lynch – What we need to do is replicate the sort of societies our immigrants come from: poor wages, dangerous working conditions, no welfare system, no nhs, minimal education.
Doesn’t sound that far off the communist societies you so admire Ernie.
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You noticed the higher literacy, life expectany and standard of living rates in Cuba as compared with much of the Capitalist world? Including large parts of places familiar to us all like, em, the East End of Glasgow……
Go figure.
philvisreturns
14:01 on 3 January, 2013
ernie lynch – What we need to do is replicate the sort of societies our immigrants come from: poor wages, dangerous working conditions, no welfare system, no nhs, minimal education.
Doesn’t sound that far off the communist societies you so admire Ernie. (thumbsup)
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It’s what you’re proposing.
You just too cowardly to say it.
philvis
no one can live on £70 per week…
as you rightly point out with the cost of living, gas, electricity, etc..
these people are not workshy they are marginalised and left to rot by the society that was bred by thatcher and her ilk, and I include labour in that…
ernie lynch
14:05 on 3 January, 2013
Why try to reform the welfare system in the middle of a depression?
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Answer: Neo Liberal Ideology.
Ten Men Won The League
but thousands of ‘Old Firm’ Celtic fans still tune in to it.
I can only speak for myself and perhaps 3-4 of my tic supporting pals abroad, but we were never “O** F***” fans even when the tie existed.
We tune in simply for the entertainment value and a laugh, of course living outside britland doesn’t give us the same news and coverage you receive, and Tic TV is only good up till a point.
So please dont class us guys as in your assumptions.
make that £60 when the bedroom tax come in at the end of March…
anyway mini BT in bed with mini flu, must attend to her needs..
hail hail and KTF
Paul – is it not a summer deal they are discussing re Llorente?
philvisreturns
14:00 on 3 January, 2013
RobertTressell – Most benefit recipients work – legitimately, that is they are not benefit ‘cheats’.
That is a shocking indictment of the mission creep of the welfare state. No wonder we’re bankrupt.
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Scraping the barrell Philvis. Poor come back.
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The largest beneficiaries of state handouts by the way? The rich.
Nah. The top 10% of earners pay more than 50% of all taxes, according to the socialists at Al-Beebra:
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Nothing to do with what I said Philvis. They could pay 90% of all tax and still be the biggest recipients of state handouts. PFI, Subsidy, legal tax get outs, bank bail outs…….. the list goes on.
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In contrast the bottom 10% contribute only 0.6 of taxes. Clearly then, the rich aren’t the biggest beneficiaries of government spending. The poor are. (thumbsup)
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Once again, you miss the point. Very poor argument. How did you pass your exams without answering the question that was asked and not the one you wanted to be asked. Very very poor effort Mr Returns.
Ntasoola
“The board will award each other handsome, interim bonuses in line with their outstanding achievements. Shareholders will receive a fat, interim dividendas a reward for appointing such a top class board. Then at year end the big bonuses and dividends will be paid out.”
Maybe you can answer the questions I posed to Neg Anon when he makes the same charge?
How much do we as a club pay out in both board payments and dividend payments?
Is this out of line with proportions paid out in other football clubs?
Could they make more money from investments outwith football?
These are genuine questions. I have said to Neg Anon that, if proof can be supplied for these charges, I will join our mineshafting wing straight away.
My belief at the moment is that most of our money disappears via players and player agents.
Why are there so many on here,desperate for our club to sell our best players.Sell Kayal and buy Dorrans,you couldn’t make it up.If Kayal remains injury free,he will return to his performances when he joined the club,this guy is a player.Keep what we have and bring in 2/3 young and ambitious players,and see us move on to another level.HH.
Ronnie Cully from the ET sums up the penalty:
“It was one of those tired limbs, belonging to Kelvin Wilson, which drew a penalty as he brought down the twisting and turning Murphy.
But with Forster incensed by the fact Hateley had placed the ball ahead of the spot, though just covering it to stay within the rules”
Even making the rules up as we go along………….