I have been in touch with a few of the Resolution 12 guys this week, and ‘Brogan, Rogan, Trevino and Hogan’, offered to write a synopsis, as some of the matters which have appeared on social media in recent days required clarification.
Thanks to the BRTH, and the rest of the guys, who I understand all approved the article. It reads:
“There is a great deal of chat on social media this week about Res 12 which was tabled and adjourned at the 2012 AGM of Celtic PLC, and so I want to clarify a couple of things which Paul has allowed me to do here
As a reminder, the exact terms of the resolution are to be found here:
This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note-1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of The Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA Jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.
While the Celtic PLC Board originally viewed the resolution as unnecessary, once further consideration of the issues raised by the shareholders had been examined, the Celtic board changed their mind and agreed to adjourn the resolution with a view to working with the shareholders representatives by investigating the procedures complained of and making enquiries of the SFA.
In the intervening period of time, there have been numerous meetings and consistent correspondence between those shareholders and officials of Celtic PLC, all with a view to furthering the aims of Res 12, and there is no doubt that the Celtic board have played a full part in taking the resolution to where it now stands.
Whilst the investigation process was slow, both shareholders and the board were satisfied that there was merit in seeking answers from the SFA, as previous responses to earlier enquiries from Celtic PLC were not convincing or sufficiently detailed.
Working together, the board and the shareholders have seen to it that formal letters of enquiry have been sent to the SFA, together with various pieces of documentation and supporting evidence.
Through the shareholders’ lawyers, the SFA were asked to answer specific detailed questions in relation to their procedures, however the SFA responded by saying they would not answer any questions other than through the “member club” i.e. the board of Celtic PLC.
This raises an issue for all football supporters – especially those who are shareholders in a football club – and it begs the question whether or not supporters and shareholders should be able to hold a governing body to account in the event of maladministration.
I believe they should but that is a bigger issue for another day and it will be revisited in due course.
However, what is most important for everyone to know is that there can be no doubt that serious questions have been asked, were asked of the right people and were backed up by documentation prepared in conjunction with the board of Celtic PLC.
I have seen speculation yesterday that perhaps Celtic did not fully know of what was going on or that somehow there had not been full and forensic research completed into the matters concerned etc, or that Celtic PLC have done nothing to back the resolution. All of that is simply not true and at all times the Celtic PLC board have been party to, and have played their part in, the entire process.
The whole purpose of writing to the SFA in the first place was to afford the powers that be within Hampden the chance to avoid a potential enquiry by UEFA into the way that they handled UEFA licence applications in 2011.
The SFA did not take that chance and ducked answering the detailed legal questions put to them by the Shareholders’ solicitors and instead chose to respond saying they would only explain matters to Celtic PLC and their board.
It would now appear that the SFA are prevaricating (again) in giving any meaningful response to Celtic PLC and so, after a period of silence, the obvious next stage in the process is to make formal enquiries and investigations through UEFA.
At the outset, both the board and the shareholders agreed that this would be the inevitable outcome if the SFA were not full, frank and forthright in providing any response.
Both the Celtic PLC board and the shareholders wish the matter to be referred to UEFA at this time, that is agreed, especially as there is a need to ensure that there is no prospect of any investigation being time barred by the UEFA rules which place a five year time limit for proceedings.
However, it is here that there is a divergence of opinion between the board and the shareholders. The shareholders believe that any reference to UEFA should come from the club, while the club would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA.
However, I stress both parties have stated they want the matter placed before the appropriate UEFA committee.
As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors, but they believe that ultimately this will be, and should be, a matter for the club as it is undoubtedly the case that any complaint to UEFA will have to make reference to the correspondence and answers already provided to Celtic PLC via the SFA.
There is also no doubt that whoever refers the matter to UEFA, that same body will end up having to make enquiries of Celtic PLC as it was to Celtic that the SFA said they would reply, and it was to Celtic PLC that the SFA gave previous replies by way of correspondence.
Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA.
Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved.
What is also quite clear is that once the shareholders have referred the matter to UEFA, there is very little else they can do as an independent body. They have taken this as far as they can, have worked with the PLC board, engaged independent solicitors and formally presented questions to the SFA together with supporting documentation and all with the help and support of the board of Celtic PLC.
If there is a clamour for greater representation and accountability for the ordinary football fan then they can lend their support to that – irrespective of what team the fan may support.
However, in relation to the particulars of Res 12, the shareholders have approached the board, worked with the board ( and acknowledge that the board have worked with them ) but ultimately it is for the PLC to take these matters to their final conclusion as the board of directors represent the whole PLC and speak with a far stronger corporate voice.
That was the whole purpose of the resolution in the first place.”
If I (Paul67) can add a few comments….
People in public or quasi-public bodies don’t get sacked as often for making mistakes as for the subsequent cover up. I have seen evidence which suggests the SFA was duped (to borrow a term) by a member club in 2011 regarding their Uefa eligibility application.
No information was available to the Association at the time which could have substantiated this, but evidence has come to light since through legal and liquidation processes, and more will be presented at court in due course. The SFA’s failure to critically assess what happened in 2011 feels like a cover up. When you start a cover up, you better be in total control, or you end up getting sacked.
The Resolution 12 guys have done a magnificent job (as did one significant other person in bringing information to the attention of the police and other authorities). In the early days they worked blind, but they have become the most effective pressure group in Scottish football.
At the start of this process no one expected anything better from the SFA, it was always a process which was going to end up with Uefa, or an actual court of law. Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, the ball is still in play.
Leave your suggestions on better communications below, I’ve heard little else over the last 24 hours and agree entirely.
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CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 11TH MARCH 2016 3:32 PM
Johnnyrambo67,
Sorry pal, up to and after
“IMO as good as it’s been since Larsson left”
Was a decent argument, that line for me just relegated everything else to, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, sorry.
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Who produced more entertaining football?
Not Strachan, though his 1st season was promising then became turgid to watch
Not Mowbray, despite his best intentions.
Lennon? Certainly had his moments of great football, though nowhere near as consistently as last season.
Your comment suggests to me you don’t go to games, or you don’t understand the concept of entertaining football. Have a look at the highlights of last year and note some of the one touch football and the great team goals.
https://www.youtube.com/user/splofficial/search?query=celtic+highlights
Newcastle confirm that Benitez will be their new manager.
This is the business end of the season so before you sack a manager a contingency plan must be in place.
The Ronny out now brigade will no doubt be of the same opinion, and have a replacement ready and waiting.
FFS our current custodians and all their legal teams cannot even write a letter, Never mind have a replacement manager tucked away.
HH.
I don’t know why people are surprised Lawwell has done zilch towards SFA and UEFA. There is nothing in it for him personally. He is prepared to fly under the banner of Res 12 but will not take any direct action to SFA/UEFA.
This should have been at UEFA years ago when it was a hot issue. UEFA will need to call in the pathologists from Silent Wiltness ( Amelia Fox preferably ) to investigate this cold case.
Lawwell has played the ball into the long grass and sorry guys you are running around on a fruitless journey. He has played with you and is still smiling. He will be absolutely rolling about at Paul67 denial article. How easy was that.
Currently enjoying a nice Chilean red in the Admirals Lounge in Santiago as I fly back via Madrid. I hope when I touch down the hoops are 2 goals to the good.
A toast to Pedro — you have to admire his Teflon skills.
Canamalar, BRTH, Auldheid and any others involved in Resolution 12. Thanks to you ghuys for your time, efforts and sterling work on seeking justice on this matter.
canamalar
I’ve pretty much followed it from the beginning, yourself, Morrissey (23?), auldheid and BRTH and I salute all your efforts. I note that the CFCB have banned Galatasaray from Europe for two seasons following a breach of an agreement from 2014 under Article 15 re Financial Fair Play rules. Not sure who flagged it up mind you!
Is there any truth in today’s e-tims allegation that Carlton Coles’ knees are buggered?
quonno on 11th March 2016 4:01 pm
Is there any truth in today’s e-tims allegation that Carlton Coles’ knees are buggered?
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Unsure but I believe both parties have the option to terminate the contract in the summer. The chances of seeing him in a Celtic jersey again? Slim to non-existent.
Can see the thinking behind CKR a bit clearer now.
HH
QUONNO on 11TH MARCH 2016 4:01 PM
Is there any truth in today’s e-tims allegation that Carlton Coles’ knees are buggered?
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Wouldn’t be surprised
There has always been an underlying reason why he struggled to stay fit.
traditionalist
And “Slim” just left town…
What has changed ? Nothing.
Rafa Benitez for NUFC on a zero hours contract.
Lifted from Twitter (Have I Got News for You)
Ard Macha
Celtic Mac on 11th March 2016 4:13 pm
traditionalist
And “Slim” just left town…
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Aye. Interesting summer ahead.
HH
Canamalar,
I reckon Celtic played some quality fitba last season, especially after the Winter Break.
We had a remarkable CH pairing which made it that way. I watched Borrusia Dortmund last night and they had the CH stepping all the way through the midfield at times.
Where theres a will theres a way. Keep fighting m8ty.
Feed the Bear
Paul67 –
“Leave your suggestions on better communications below, I’ve heard little else over the last 24 hours and agree entirely.”
Better comms from Celtic? Leave them on the blog? Why?? There are plenty of people at CFC PLC who are well paid and whose job it is to some up with comms strategies.
I get communications from Celtic all the time. On an almost daily basis, they try to sell me things. Tickets, merchandise, services. All sorts. As far as I can tell, that is the current Communications Strategy.
On a scale of one to invading Russia in winter how bad is the board?
Ard Macha
Re shares query you should make an appointment at your bank and register with Compushare and transfer whilst there.Alternatively drop the Celtic trust a note,i am sure they could advise properly
Thanks for the Diary
HH
TRADITIONALIST88 on 11TH MARCH 2016 4:06 PM
quonno on 11th March 2016 4:01 pm
Is there any truth in today’s e-tims allegation that Carlton Coles’ knees are buggered?
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Unsure but I believe both parties have the option to terminate the contract in the summer. The chances of seeing him in a Celtic jersey again? Slim to non-existent.
Can see the thinking behind CKR a bit clearer now.
HH
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Carlton Cole and Slim makes me smile.words eh :-))
HH
To those heading in to the An Gorta Mor night have a good night,
enjoy your evening Celts
HH
Sorry don’t agree, thought Lenny’s second half of his second season was well up there with anything MON done and Lenny had to use what he was given.
Yer right I’ve no been to as many games as I’d have liked but I’ve spmissed watching one game in Ronnies reign and the second half of last seaon was no bad, that the best I can say about it.
An Tearmann :)
Oh and his last season was even better
“It’s Celtic Wot Got Cheated, Let’s Be Hearin’ Ye Celtic !”
FTSFA CSC
The lead article just seems to be a state of play summary but we knew all that yesterday.
I guess I was hoping for reasons and explanations,,not this is where we are at.
The biggest question being why will the board not write to uefa/ccfb ?
Confused and underwhelmed.
Hail Hail
Should that no be
Mahe the disgruntled
Or
Mahe the no in the least bit gruntled :)
How does Paul, in his position as a sometimes ‘conduit-for-the-Board’s-message’, feel about Celtic’s actions on this – does he feel as if he has been played too?
Unless he knows more than he is saying, I certainly think I would.
As for Paul’s statement “…Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, the ball is still in play…” – would anyone argue on the evidence to date that the following would be a more appropriate statement of the current position:
“…Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, and in the Celtic Board Room, the ball is still in play…”?
We need clarity – not conjecture – on:
1. If / why the CFC Board sat on pertinent information since January – Paul doesn’t address this – has the Board explained / is it a secret?
2. Why the CFC Board the club “…would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA…” – Paul doesn’t address this – has the Board explained / is it a secret?
The SFA / RFC collusion already stunk to the high Heavens – the smell has now spread much wider.
This simply abysmal behaviour from a Celtic Board – unforgivable.
HH
BGFC
LAWWELL OUT !!!
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 11TH MARCH 2016 1:50 PM
I presume the Board are now taking the lead on Res 12.
Can’t fathom their lack of leadership on this. Having said this, I would not want the Trust leadership replacing them, as our new Board. I am all for fan membership of the Board but I would have a preference for those supporters who are primarily driven by a love of Celtic, like, imo, Auldheid and Paul67, rather than some left wing political ideology, which, again imo, is what motivates to a large degree those who started the Trust.
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As someone I respect a great deal on the blog it is with regret, I’m afraid, that I must take issue with your post above.
There’s been a lot of spurious misinformation posted on these pages over the past year or so in relation to the Trust so I can understand how you may have come to some of your conclusions.
Firstly, the Executive Committee of the Trust have absolutely no desire to sit on the Plc board of Celtic while it is in its current form; it would be more problematic than of worthwhile value. The Trust sees itself as the vehicle for fan ownership of Celtic, that is all. There would be a board of directors but they would be answerable to all of the trustees/shareholders/supporters. These board members would have suitable business acumen for their respective roles within the club.
I must also take issue with your point about those who created the Trust being more motivated by a left wing ideology than a primary interest in Celtic.
There are several members of the EC who follow Celtic home and away. This includes Marie, a woman in her 70s, who continues to make the journeys to Aberdeen, Inverness and Dingwall to stand alongside her fellow Tims.
I’ve met many, many Celtic supporters in my years following our club and I can state unequivocally that some of those on the EC of the Trust are up there with the best of them.
I keep hearing about the Trust being some sort of left wing ideological gang motivated by the politics of Trotsky.
Where is the evidence for this?
In my time as a member of the EC, I can assure you, the only motivation I’ve seen has been in the interests of Celtic.
“But what about the LW thingy?!”
I’ve heard this countless times as an example of how we’re driven by politics.
The motivation isn’t political. The motivation is the spirit, humanity and decency of Brother Walfrid.
I hope you take this post in the spirit it’s intended sir.
Yours in Celtic
HT
https://www.change.org/p/scottish-football-association-return-integrity-to-football-administration-in-scotland-94421b40-2d6b-4d4b-9cff-912c9849478f
Sign and pass on please
Res 12 ghuys. Thanks for all your efforts.
Can you please publish the direct questions your lawyer sent to the SFA?
When the SFA said they would only communicate with Celtic, did the club then send the SFA the same questions?
Have Celtic asked the SFA when they will get answers? If they did ask this, what if anything was the response?
I expect people are impatiently waiting on market research feedback to tell them if going to the CFCB is a good idea.
Here’s the problem
No CFCB and supporters walk away
Old firm fans take up the drop in Celtic supporters shortfall, in fact, don’t even know they are missing.
Following season unforeseen problems affect one half of the old firm that require them to start again, again.
Old firm fans again disappear into the woodwork, dilema eh
For those who have supported the petition I can report that a seven page document has been sent to three officials at UEFA as a result of the petition. Copies have also been sent to the Spanish FA(because of Malaga), the Turkish FA(Galatasary), the Sports Integrity Initiative, both the MSP and MP responsible for sport, the SFA, the SPFL, Ladbrokes, every Premiership club and every UK national newspaper, BBC, ITV, and Channel 4. Surely somewhere in that group someone will sit up and start to take notice.
I would hope soon to find a way to let everyone read what has been sent with the backing of the petition
I need to stress though that these actions are club independent both pro and anti. Part of the report highlights how the SFA actions created a lot of what happened at Ibrox and in the end left the supporters there to suffer.
But that cannot be the end of it. This is only the start. 2000 signatures is nowhere near enough. Help get the count higher.
get someone to SIGN the PETITION
https://www.change.org/p/scottish-football-association-return-integrity-to-football-administration-in-scotland-94421b40-2d6b-4d4b-9cff-912c9849478f
Canman,
Careful I know where you blog!
Old Stefan mahe was a running joke between me and my DA before I emigrated and used to attend.
At least once a game he would get the ball, put his head down and just go on a run with it. His head was soo down and wrapped up in his run he usually run it out of play. And then he would look up surprised at where he ended up!
I thought it was just me and my DA laughing about it until one afternoon he starts to do it again and I nudge the oul fella saying watch this when the big scotch man behind says ah Jesus the madman’s on the loose. We pissed ourselves laughing but hey at least he tried. And hence my blog name.
Didier Agathe scored the last time I attended ffs,,been way too long but with this shower in charge it will be a while yet.
Just never works out when you’re only home once in a blue moon but I dug my own grave and won’t complain about the choices I’ve made.
Thanks for all the work on res 12 no matter what happens.
Hail Hail
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 11th March 2016 5:10 pm
Bean counting approach to risk management by the board
Fans who will walk away taking a principled stance v’s old firm fan returnees
I think the bean counting fell heavily on the side of the old firm fan……………………principled fan can go
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I know from dealing with employers and various authorities that once you start shining lights on dark corners or looking for answers behind doors they don’t want opened their first and foremost tactic is the stall.
Slow it down, take am age to answer letters, calls, take things down blind alleys and hope you get confused or fed up or both and run away. All the while you meet with various rules and by laws and other deflections to distract you and put you off.
So it is with res 12 from what I can see looking on from the outside.
And the only answer is to keep focused, keep your eye on the prize and be the proverbial dug wi a bone.
It seems to me that’s what’s happening.
But it’s a long game. And no amount of statements from Celtic’s board will change that. In fact sometimes the involvement of those you think have more scope than you to move things is the worst thing to do – these are people who think like the blazers at hampden and some of them would be blazers at hampden if they weren’t blazers at Celtic Park!!
Change comes from below.
So Auldheid et al – keep it going. Those sniping from sidelines while doing zip all themselves need take up none of your time and energy. Whatever the outcome you guys have done more than your share. Thank you.
MARGARET MCGILL on 11TH MARCH 2016 4:31 PM
On a scale of one to invading Russia in winter how bad is the board?
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That did make me chuckle.
Lionroars67,
Target the cognitive dissonant, they know its wrong but can’t help themselves, greedy is as greedy gets.
Has anyone had a response from Celtic/JPT yet regarding the current situation, apart from having their doors kicked down in the middle of the night by Police Scotland and being falsely accused of singing proscribed songs?