Rosenborg went five years without winning the Norwegian title before Kare Ingebrigtsen turned things around. Under him, they were champions the last three seasons – back on the pertch. A mere two points off the pace, having scraped a win against Valur, he was sacked, just six days before his former team face Celtic.
It seems harsh. This is a club burdened by their Champions League history. Until 2004, when money replaced meritocracy, they held the record for the number of consecutive appearances in the group stage (8). But they never turned the lights off. They see clubs from other small nations reach the group stage of the Europa League and, to a lesser extent, the Champions League, and know they could do the same.
If they thought Ingebrigtsen’s team would have beaten Celtic he would still be in a job. Instead, they have thrown the dice in the hope of giving players an edge. The new interim boss’s only managerial gig in the last seven years was six weeks in charge of the Aruba national team. Since then he’s kicked around as a youth coach and been an assistant in Dubai. It’s a strange one.
Sacking a manager often leads to a short-term boost in results, which is all that is required for European qualification. Expect this tie to be competitive. That’s good, I prefer Celtic to play in games with a visible edge, than against unknowns with fire in their belly. Cool heads will be needed. On that subject, we’ll discuss Jozo later.
Newco, having successfully argued the SFA should refer the matter of Rangers’ eligibility for Uefa competition in 2011 to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), now request the SFA do not take the matter to CAS. It’s a kind of Newco logic; any victory in a storm.
They argue this procedural guidance establishes the complaint has no merit, whereas the SFA Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal did not address the complaint, only their competency to examine it.
The Judicial Panel ruled “the Notice of Complaint must be determined by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.” The word “must” has been overlooked by Newco. The SFA must act accordingly. Taking the whole thing to Lausanne will make sure we don’t need to go through another round of “Who are these people” type witch-hunts. I know what you are thinking, Dave King has been making friend with the SFA on a weekly basis for months now, surely they will do his bidding.
I’m not sure Dave’s that clever.
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Mike in Toronto
My reading of today’s events is that the SFA has not denied that there is a case to answer – it can’t, really, since it’s own compliance officer eventually ruled that there is – but has only said that it – the SFA – is not the body to judge it.
What I am unsure about is whether a referral to CAS now has to come through the SFA and, if so, does the SFA have the power to dictate the terms of reference?
Love Big Dedryck.
BIGBHOY on 20TH JULY 2018 4:49 PM
The governing bodies, courts will not lift a finger against them. They are protected.
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Just as well for us that they are their own worst enemies :)
https://stv.tv/sport/football/1424013-rosenborg-players-issue-statement-against-manager-sacking/
Greenbingley . 4.20
You’re not alone.
For what it’s worth , I remember arguing that the LNS enquiry should have been passed
to CAS at the time , rather than let a conflicted Campbell Ogilvie get his tainted grubby
hands anywhere near it .
Mike in Toronto.
From inside the office of the lawyers that act for the SFA ( BTO ?)
According to this mole , a supporter of the stickys , he was surprised that I was
aware of Res 12 and even more that I knew the fine details of LNS .
Anyhow, according to the mole , the Res12 guys were a complete pain in the arse
to the SFA . He added that there were a couple ( not all ) on the Celtic board who
thought the same .
I’m confident Lawwell isn’t one who shared that opinion . I might be wrong.
The whole journey for the Res12 guys , mirrors an uphill cycle against the wind .
Some on our board , Petrie , Milne , the Huns , the press , a handshake riddled SFA .
The opposition is endless. If Res 12 win , the 4 of them deserve a place in our history
books . IMO . HH.
Delaneys / Big Wavy
I really hope its the agent / SMSM driving up his value, trying to get him
a better deal at Celtic.
Not so sure though his reputation is such that he should be a cheap punt for
Lyon, Lazio or whoever that pays £15K – £20K a wee tops?
Fact is he’s turned out today going into the season easily our best Centre Back whether the experts in the support like it or not.
k
Greenbillingsley
I think you are right … but, honestly, I stopped paying much attention to the details some time ago … I used to look up the legislation etc. before posting on issues here … but, after a while, I realized that I was pissing in the wind, so now I just shoot from the hip … based on 25 years of experience…
so, short answer, I haven’t looked at this enough to know the ins and outs of how they get to the CAS….
sorry.
but it is Friday, so I am happy to suggest some good music … so I feel at least slightly useful
:)
SOT/Connairre12
Le Tour
Have never seen (or heard) of smoke flares used at the Tour until the video you linked. Spectators have been involved, and make, the mountain stages what they are and how can you control them for 29 kilometers. (14-1/2 kilometer both sides of road) They will probably be up the mountain for 5-6 hours waiting to see their hero for 2 to 3 minutes and excitment growing via all the newscasts. Greatest “free” event in the world and you need the spectators to make it so, but don’t no how it can be controlled. Over the years we’ve had incidents involving policemen and even in the Parc de Princes track finish Andre Darigade was involved with a marshall.
Vive Le Tour
HH
GO TELL THE SPARTIM @ 4.54
Agree, all you can do really is reiterate the facts as they are laid out, and support Brendan
and his management team who ultimately know alot better than the internet.
I worry sometimes, what drives entrenchment?
BSR
I like big Derdryk and would like him to stay. And yep, our best CH.
I remember also the ‘Denayer is better than Van Dijk’ patter on here too at the time.
I remember the magnificently negative Sydney Tim telling us Wanyama was a numpty.
Every so often it’s worth remembering most of us here talk pish. Me included.
GREENINBINGLEYINOSLO on 20TH JULY 2018 5:02 PM
Mike in Toronto
My reading of today’s events is that the SFA has not denied that there is a case to answer – it can’t, really, since it’s own compliance officer eventually ruled that there is – but has only said that it – the SFA – is not the body to judge it.
What I am unsure about is whether a referral to CAS now has to come through the SFA and, if so, does the SFA have the power to dictate the terms of reference?
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It is a strange one in that when charges first put to TRFC they did not dispute that the UEFA processes and how RFC complied at June and September 2011 should be part of the JPDT.
However it seems they persuaded SFA Comp Off that the activity at end March 2011 when licence was granted was all above board and that period would not be subject to JPDT scrutiny nor,importantly, would anyone know on what basis the Comp Off was persuaded to exclude that period.
Getting that period included by ANY investigation is crucial to satisfaction because there is more than enough evidence suggesting that hard questions need to be posed and answered to satisfy Celtic shareholders that the licence was not granted on false grounds.
It is not surprising that someone at SFA has finally realised that CAS/UEFA input is essential to reach the correct decision (whatever way that cookie crumbles) but what is surprising is that it seems to be TRFC who want to involve CAS but only as long as the end of March (AND May) position is not part of the scrutiny of any party and is kept from public view.
If there is now a change of position by TRFC that they do not want the case to go to CAS, then perhaps that is because of the strong possibility they have realised they might be fun oot if end of March becomes part of the CAS area of enquirer.
If I were Celtic I would be squeezing the SFA like feck to ensure full transparency on events at end March, end May, end June and end September or agreement to a total governance reform process that has put those governing in a position where they cannot.
Morning Bhoys,
some quality posts and not enough time to respond to all I wish to.
There will be a quiz at 8pm if the blog is interested .
TTT,,feckin shocker about the GAA and the local committee should have gave it the go ahead and said sack me to headquarters.
And the dyin on its feet church are giving me mountains of bureaucracy in trying to get the wee one christened. Actually upset at them and its off putting but anyway. Hope youre well and its good to see you post again. I see theres a huge cruise ship in KIllybegs right now. Thoul town will be raking it in tonight hey. Throw some country music up later on pls.
Hail Hail
BIG WAVY
Ditto CSC
Mahe,
Fifteen coaches dockside at Killybegs, awaiting two thousand passengers and one thousand crew.Kerching!
I’m am well, thanks, as you can tell by my harumphing posts!
From personal experience, it all depends on the attitude of the officiating priest as to how easy they make the process.
In our case, we have had different priests who were only too delighted to welcome a child into the Christian Faith, as I believe should be the case.
Timbhoy2 any chance of a reply? H H Hebcelt
ANGELGABRIEL on 20TH JULY 2018 5:11 PM
Greenbingley . 4.20
One of the problems of containment the SFA have is avoiding what took place in 2011 having an impact on the LNS Commssion finding in 2012/13.
Lets just say non disclosure of the same document had a crucial part to play in both proceedings, a non disclosure that enabled LNS to decide as he did and the licence to be granted in 2011 with no questions asked.
One last thing. That same document or rather its contents was excluded by Regan and LNS when establishing the charges CW would have to face of bringing the game into disrepute by the Judicial Panel in March/April 2012.
In fact non disclosure runs like lettering through rock from August 2000 when De Boer was given the first side letter to March 2012 when SPL were investigating use of ebts , but none so telling as the period March to May 2011 with waves reaching into 2012.
Wasn’t ‘intimidation of witness(es)’ one of the charges in South Africa against the Lying King of Limpopo?
You say anything, I’ll smash your face!
Rosenberg manager & his assistant re-instated after players spoke up.
Chaos Theory Supporters Club
Auldhied @ 5:25
“If I were Celtic” …. perhaps the saddest words ever written on CQN.
If you were Celtic, there would never have been the need for Res. 12, as you would haven ensured that our club did the right thing from offset, and would have hunted down the charlatans that run our game and our club. And you would have made our founding Father proud of his club.
If you ever decide to run for a seat on the Board, you will have my vote.
Thom
I missed the post about Liam and the GAA, disgusted but not surprised, far too many still living in the past, thankfully many are seeing the light these days.
HH
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So Clarence has been told to stop making a mockery of the judicial system, jeezo Dave, we can only protect you so much, please, pretty please make an offer for the shares, I know you lied through your teeth, I think they didn’t notice and you-we got away with it, but please make it look like you are willing to comply, I might even have to forgo a shot of the goat, get it sorted Dave.
Auldheid
I love your patience but you will come to realise that the PLC care nothing about the ordinary fans…
I’ve told you my thoughts 1 to 1 several years ago but now we will see if they have the bottle to bring Celtic back to the fans..
A PLC not a club like no other
We can all moan about the glib and shameless one but our board are spineless
Since when did it become the role of a football club to “hunt down” another club.. By definition that is not the right thing. It is the job of the regulating body to “hunt down” improper acts. For clubs to go after other clubs would be vigilante action. So let’s hold the SFA to account – as the Res was suppose to be about. It’s not about Celtic, Oldco, newcomer. It’s about governance. I personally want proper governance of our game in Scotland. That is not everyone’s agenda.
Auldheid: Did you get my text?
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 20TH JULY 2018 6:05 PM
Auldheid
I love your patience but you will come to realise that the PLC care nothing about the ordinary fans…
I’ve told you my thoughts 1 to 1 several years ago but now we will see if they have the bottle to bring Celtic back to the fans..
A PLC not a club like no other
We can all moan about the glib and shameless one but our board are spineless
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You know me. Infinite patience produces immediate results :)
Or
When you be come patient, time stands still. :)
Have this Board’s bottle ever been as tested as it is now? Been in a comfort zone too long.
ALMORE on 20TH JULY 2018 6:16 PM
Auldheid: Did you get my text?
Yes Al
I replied that I’m not around when you are.
My goodness awe they poor cyclists at the tour of France with asthma, and the spectators let of flares, how inconsiderate is that….
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Auldheid: OK. Never got your reply. It’s a problem I’m having with a few people. They get my texts but I don’t get replies.
Evening teaser:
Joined Celtic in 1989,made five appearances.Left Celtic with Andy Murdoch to Partick Thistle and ended in
Ireland playing for ards and Derry city.
QF on 20TH JULY 2018 6:06 PM
Since when did it become the role of a football club to “hunt down” another club.. By definition that is not the right thing. It is the job of the regulating body to “hunt down” improper acts. For clubs to go after other clubs would be vigilante action. So let’s hold the SFA to account – as the Res was suppose to be about. It’s not about Celtic, Oldco, newcomer. It’s about governance. I personally want proper governance of our game in Scotland. That is not everyone’s agenda.
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It is the job of the regulating body but if they are proving incapable of doing a competent job, is it not the job of a member club to ask questions on behalf of their clubs members/shareholders?
Celtic have left the issue in the hands of the regulating authorities but are now being told its not the SFA!
That needs addressing by Celtic with the SFA .
The problem here is that to get to SFA reform Celtic need to use the behavior of another member club to show why such reform is necessary. That the other member club is “Rangers” makes the job harder but not impossible and certainly not shirkable.
As a reminder Resolution 12 said
“This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules Governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note 1 ), by referring /bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of the Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010. “
The intent of Resolution 12 was to establish if the SFA carried out their responsibilities properly in the granting and subsequent monitoring of a UEFA Licence in 2011 to the SPL title winners according to the requirements set out in Articles 50, 66 and 67 of the UEFA Financial Fair Play regulations introduced in October 2010. Focus was on the 2011 licence when it became obvious that the title winners had an unpaid tax bill of circa £2.8M in August 2011 and as runners up Celtic shareholders had cause to question the application of the rules.
It is the kack handed way that the issue has been handled by SFA since that makes it appear the aim of Res12 was to sanction TRFC , but had we kent then wit we ken noo we could argue that had Res12 been passed by Celtic in 2013 we would not be in the mess we are now.
HEBCELT, About John McGinn,I think he is at his level with Hibs,so not for me,what is your opinion,of him
Auldheid
What will be referred to CAS?
Will the SFA make the terms of reference and time period to suit their premise or will the 5 way agreement be examined?
What punishment can the CAS apply and who would they apply it to?
Auldheid
Thanks for the replies.
So, it is of crucial importance that CAS has the full story in front of it; ie, not scrutinising a timescale cherry-picked by the offenders.
I assume that CAS will take at face value whatever they are told by the SFA, and won’t accept depositions from anybody else. Which leaves the path open for a whitewash.
In which case, if that is correct, it’s now time for Celtic to come out of the shadows, and come out swinging.
And btw, total respect to you and the other Res 12ers for your tenacity in this. Had it not been for youse, there wouldn’t even have been this debate today.
We will win, because there’s still right and wrong. HH
If this is the case, I understand King’s smugness.
sorry bhoys but what is the CAS.hh.
The ban on foreign sports being played at GAA grounds was lifted in 2007.
The Association is bound to preserve and promote our Gaelic games, our Irish language and music.
Grab All Association?
Every penny of revenue generated filters down to each and every club in the country.
Why would any sporting organisation wish to promote a rival sport anyway, particularly one that it is in direct competition with?
I find it ridiculous that soccer men label another sporting entity as greedy and selfish.
FIFA, UEFA, The SFA, Sky TV etecera, etcetera.
Why are the next World Cup finals due to take place in Qatar?
Incredulous.
HH. ?
Please ignore the last line about Kings’ smugness! A big boy did it, then he ran away.
ThomtheTim: listening to Drivetime on RTÉ radio earlier and it seems there is growing pressure on the GAA to change its mind. Let’s hope so. Locally, the work the GAA do is phenomenal. Pity its hierarchy hasn’t changed with the times.