Rummenige shaking things up


Karl-Heinz Rummenige broke cover on his proposal to change Champions League football in a fundamental way but guaranteeing places for the top (sic.) teams in Europe, without the need for qualification.

Rummenige is not worried about his own club, Bayern Munich’s ability to qualify for the tournament, that is very much a forgone conclusion, but the prospect of games against Basel, or Leicester City, instead of Manchester United next season is less appetising. A tournament with only games against bigger teams is worth millions more in TV and sponsorship revenues than a tournament with games against lesser opponents.

This is an age old football adage. One of the prime reasons I don’t want an 18-team Scottish Premiership as interest in games against another half dozen lesser teams, at the cost of games against top teams, will put fewer bums on seats and create less interest.

Rummenige’s move is predatory and by no means guaranteed to succeed, but he’ll know this and perhaps be angling for a more accommodating compromise.

Ultimately, football is a democracy. Clubs make up the national associations and national associations make up Uefa. There are many more small clubs who would be disenfranchised by this move than large clubs who would succeed. The problem is, the money that could be placed on the table by those larger clubs.

A new football order is on its way. The current structures will not survive. I’m strongly opposed to Rummenige’s proposal but we need someone to shake things up. Now the ball is in play let’s see where it takes us.

Double-header coming up against the Highlanders. Bring it on………

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    I agree with the poster who recently pointed out that if we complained about one negative article,we would have to complain about them all.




    And the sleekit bassas would play on that.




    But we should definitely withhold advertising.

  2. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    So are we favouring the brands over the best teams, surly moving away from competition to francise can only be bad for the game ?


    If Man U or any other brand don’t qualify it’s because they are no good enough and to make excuses to corrupt cometitions is failing the supporters.

  3. Paul,


    This idea was previously mooted with previous winners of the European Cup gaining automatic entry (we would be one of the beneficiaries in that case?). Principal of the argument is all wrong, indeed Manchester City have under performed most years in the Champions League.



    Shocked but not surprised that Neil Doncaster included a non existent club in his comments unchallenged, repeat a lie often and loud enough….



    Roll on tomorrow!




  4. CultsBhoy can not relate to Celtic Board ambitions on or off the park on

    If you were being objective – would you include Celtic in any big guns competition ?


    We are 2nd maybe 3rd tier …if you didn’t support Celtic you wouldn’t watch them. The football has very limited appeal. Whereas Id watch Arsenal, Barca, Bayern all day long.



    So I agree new thinking required.



    Given getting out of Scotland is unlikely we maybe need to align our selves as a feeder ( college) team..in a way Id like it to be to a particular club ( ideally Arsenal) but that won’t happen. We could position ourselves as a nursery club and take those low on the development journey ( P Roberts) in for a season or two.



    Imo there have been external factors that has brought this about but we have colluded to paint ourselves in to this corner of spiralling decline. We played it too safe.. We didn’t manage risk, we just removed them.



    Will be interesting to see how many kids are wearing Celtic tops in Scotland in 5 years time.

  5. Paul 67 -This is for the large TV markets and is nothing short of a protection racket, how long until Chinese and US teams are playing in it against Barca etc, they dont want competition, it’s their ball and they will choose who is in these leagues, forget being their on merit.


    There are going to be more outside than inside so switch of the TV coverage dont subscribe and get back to attending providing this is clean and not corrupt

  6. GlassTwoThirdsFull on



    Any thoughts on Doncaster’s comments on this matter?


    Seems like he has suddenly discovered the benefits of sporting integrity and is against commercial interests!

  7. CultsBhoy can not relate to Celtic Board ambitions on or off the park on

    I wonder if they expanded CL and you had a guaranteed place in it – would you still be obliged to play domestic football?

  8. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Here’s an idea, knock the big clubs back into line, make the competitions fair, champions gain automatic entry then and only then quotients can be used for fillers.


    Big clubs want to make their own competitions, booted out of UEFA and FIFA, players banned from international football.


    Because the greedy want more does not make it a good idea or inevitable.

  9. So Ronny has no intention of playing Patrick Roberts until next season as he needs “time to adapt” . Ridiculous.

  10. Afternoon all.


    Catching up on the last article. Some great chat regarding the “Foggy Dew”.



    Regarding the new article.


    Fitba is losing its soul.


    Rummenige would fit in nice and dandy with Regan & Doncaster.




    Fitba has lost its soul.

  11. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma on

    Dear God Almighty (if you are listening)



    Neil Doncaster released a statement about the sudden and “sinister” attempts to change European Football earlier this morning and the BBC released an online article based on the same some two and a half hours ago!



    You can read it here:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35557830



    Is this the best that the Scottish Football Authorities can do?



    Is this their demonstration of having the ear to the ground and knowing what is going on in the forums of European Football?



    Is this their idea of business Intelligence and forward planning?



    Is this an example of the BBC Scotland being able to break a story, or is it more a clear example of how BBC Scotland at least is so “in the dark” about the negotiation of media rights for the broadcast of future football matches?



    If ever there was a clearer demonstration that we live in a footballing, sporting, media and business backwater this is it.



    BBC Radio Five were able to broadcast a little information about the future of European Football several weeks ago – strangely it was carried in the early hours of the morning on the BBC Radio Scotland frequencies.



    Rummenige made a formal statement to the press weeks ago and was immediately supported by the owner of Juventus.



    The media contracts concerning this “proposed” breakaway league have been under discussion for months and the “appointed” broadcasters were invited into discuss the detail.



    The French inclusion owes more to the strength of Canal Plus than the merits of the country’s football teams beyond PSG.



    This is not news, it is ancient history, and if Doncaster, Regan, the BBC, the MSM and the chairman of Scottish Football are only now waking up top this then they are not the officers of thriving, well thought out and intelligent businesses.



    They are the curators of a museum who do not live in the current time and are far too slow off the mark when it comes to business planning.



    They are constantly left reacting rather than being the source of any innovation or forward thinking.



    Next we will be hearing that Elvis is dead and that the Titanic has sunk.



    The big European Football Ship has sailed for sure and our lot never even noticed that it was in the harbour and that the passengers were getting on board!

  12. thomthethim for Oscar OK on




    So what you are saying is that football as a sport, is finished.



    We, in Scottish football have been living with that reality for the past few years…….and many of us have slept through it’s demise.



    Even today, there is internal disharmony directed at the club, instead of aiming at those who have destroyed our game.



    We have a mindset amongst some of us that the club, I.e. team, is one thing and the PLC, I.e., company is another!



    Oh, what irony.







    Je Suis SFA said that the fans will welcome the Destroyers Into the SPL next year, by swelling the gates.



    I fear he will be proved correct.


    The game’s a bogey



    BC or DC

  13. Slabhoy - Duntocher is Green and White on

    Take Rummenige’s thinking to the next logical step and the World Cup will only include the same dozen nations.



    Money has taken over football, I agree with Dessybhoy and Canamalar – let’s fight back.

  14. foghorn leghorn on

    the ‘greedy wanting more’probably DOES make it inevitable



    thats the major factor in 78%* of major decisions that are made in the world, particularly when it comes to governments starting wars and fat cat CEOs making people redundant



    *stats courtesy of OPTA**




  15. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 12th February 2016 12:54 pm



    Here’s an idea, knock the big clubs back into line, make the competitions fair, champions gain automatic entry then and only then quotients can be used for fillers.





    Big clubs want to make their own competitions, booted out of UEFA and FIFA, players banned from international football.





    Because the greedy want more does not make it a good idea or inevitable.





    This ST deadline day will tell you all you need to know. Ronny D is struggling to stay in the job and there is little hope of getting into the CL. The ST price will go up also, the Cheats are back. Every incentive NOT to pay your Money up front. My guess, there will be more ST’s sold this year.



    You can’t stop Change. It annoys me no end. Especially as God is being, well you know.

  16. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on



    There’s a lot still to happen, they are no up and they are no out the woods financially.

  17. Paul67



    Ultimately, football is a democracy.



    I think not Paul.


    Ideally it would be, but as you argue in the previous article and above, it is dominated by cartels, money (and of course, corrupt administrators).

  18. CultsBhoy can not relate to Celtic Board ambitions on or off the park on

    In the highly unlikely situation Lawwell wangled us in to any CL closed shop… I’d be happy to forget about domestic football? We could be a touring team playing home and away friendlies across the globe, inviting other like minded clubs to Celtic Park…

  19. Canamalar,



    I hope the Celtic lads get Hibs the auto Promotion, I think they will.



    I think our statement is quite Abdul Quadir.



    Ronny’s comments should never be forgotten either, when talking about that shower.

  20. Doncaster!!!!!



    The very same guy who tried to shoe-horn a brand new team into the top Scottish League, is complaining about someone else gerrymandering a league!!!!!!!!



    Hypocrite………………He should immediately resign………..And take his corrupt incompetents with him.

  21. GlassTwoThirdsFull on 12th February 2016 12:29 pm


    Tontine Tim/Petec



    Spot on.



    Sevco are a mess. The MSM know that the only way they can compete with us is if they drag us down to their level (no pun intended!)



    *unfortunately some in our support, the jam today ones, just don’t get it…yet.



    IMHO we are in year 2 of a 5 year plan. A plan that will see us retreat from the current buy now sell later policy and instead revert back to rearing our own kids.



    We almost effed this concept up when we let Jock leave in 1960 after he set up the “Kelly Kids”, including Caesar, Chopper and Luggy. A side that gubbed the deid team reserves 8-2 in aggregate in the Reserve cup. However, he felt he could go no further with the club due to his ken dodd faith, a feeling that I believe he was mistaken in as we only had 3 managers up to then and all 3 were former players.



    There was also the perception that to be on the board at Parkheid you also had to be of the Catholic faith, again another fallacy as John Thompson’s fiancés father John, a keen supporter of Celtic, was invited to become a director of the club. He however refused the position because he was a non-Catholic and was an active member of the Church of Christ (a protestant evangelical church).



    As it was Jock came back and the rest is history including the “Quality Street Gang”.



    If you were being objective – would you include Celtic in any big guns competition ?



    “Id watch Arsenal, Barca, Bayern all day long.”



    Mate, I binned Sky because the fare was boring and repetitive Arsenal, Barca, Bayern etc………….strange thing taste eh?

  23. Would we feel so against this if we were at the table when the party started? ie what if inbetween times we joined the EPL (In whatever form we or it took) would we not be (with sufficient spending power resulting from this) as big a draw as anyone?

  24. CultsBhoy can not relate to Celtic Board ambitions on or off the park on




    Bbc quoting Ronnie saying it is unlikely P Roberts will play any significant role in the league defence as he needs time to settle in…. Or words to that effect.

  25. Lennon n Mc....Mjallby on

    It’s a sad state of affairs when one of the world’s most loved outdoor pursuits is governed by the luxury of sitting in a room.



    Is it really cartels to blame?

  26. belfastbhoy


    If Celtic are ever part of anything like this you can be sure that Celtic will have to pay a considerable amount to the league in a parachute payment, even if they have a team still playing here.

  27. We should ask Bayern Munich fans to boycott their club until the wee clubs like us get a better deal.



    That would sort eufa oot.

  28. CultsBhoy can not relate to Celtic Board ambitions on or off the park on




    When I watch an SPFL game then swith to EPL it looks like a different sport. Maybe it’s as much to do with coverage quality than quality on the pitch. That said I am a big youth and Highland League attendee. I guess those lower levels are at least authentic and honest.

  29. CULTSBHOY……………



    I am very disappointed to hear Ronny say that.



    I’ve tried to back him as much as I can but not now.



    How much time does he need to “settle in”?



    In the 60’s as a callow 18 year old youth I went to work in London.



    No mobile phones, skype, no face time.



    4 old pennies into the public phone if you wanted a chat with yer folks.



    What age is Roberts, 5????



    Still, I should be grateful, we can play Forrest and GMS and that other toughie Armstrong.



    I think I’ll start following the Rose.

  30. Ten years ago Rummenige was complaining bitterly of Chelsea’s ability to outspend Bayern and sign their then Captain Michael Ballack.


    This went against the grain of financial fair play he claimed. Chelsea were (are) a much smaller club than Bayern.


    However would he now advocate that as a consequence of the loss of the Soviet people’s natural assets to an individual , that Chelsea were somehow a big club now?

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