The battle between what your eye tells you about a player and what his outcomes are is over a decade old. Does the player have heart and mental strength, or does he manage to achieve impressive outcomes without it?
Given the choice, I would probably opt for a player who can impress without the heart/strength combo. You can do a lot of work on those things, but you cannot move the dial much when it comes to innate talent. If he is achieving because he is maxed out on heart, adjust your expectations south. How do you judge if a player can translate form in one environment to another, such as Celtic Park? The stats tell you no more than your eye will on that one,
In 1990, Aston Villa chairman and manager, Doug Ellis and Graham Taylor sat preseason watching Villa play a Trinidadian side in a friendly. They didn’t know the players name, but they knew they were not leaving the Caribbean the standout striker. Doubtlessly, both the eye and the stats were in Dwight Yorke’s favour.
Brendan Rodgers entered this debate yesterday:
“There are things that you can never find out through analysis other than by being at a stadium, watching the player and seeing what their movement is like, seeing how he deals the with atmosphere.
“I always say, the analytical side doesn’t tell you if someone has a heart and personality. When you play for a club like this one, you need to have a heart and the mental strength.
“You have to find out those things and see them live. Obviously, statistics will give you a lot, but I’m not driven by it. It’s something which is a really good support for us.”
Who am I to tell our manager different, but I respectfully disagree. Data driven recruitment is how elite teams operate. If a player gets results because he has buckets of personality, because he has the Judgement of Solomon or because he has mastered the ancient practice of Voodoo, outcomes are all that matter.
Ruthlessly dedicate to outcomes or accept all this data modelling is just not for you. Some souls in Haiti practice both Voodoo and Christianity. Two gods to keep happy! But don’t let me worry you, maybe it’ll work out fine for us. Anyway, Hail Mary………
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Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
If you don’t believe that so called conspiracy theories are very real and completely trust the establishment then collectively we are truly f@cked.
Just check out the latest conspiracies of silence, ie the Post Office and the Covid enquiries.
Who on earth would believe what the establishment feed them. I really can’t believe that anyone trusted the mad dentist, but they did.
Always question, never swallow.
At a loss as to what Celtic FC now is. This is so much of a gamble that I can’t think of an upside, other than my previous outline thinking. If the new stand never gets built then I understand that I’m philosophically isolated, however, now is the time surely? Ok, don’t call me Shirley.
Greenpinata
“If you don’t believe that so called conspiracy theories are very real and completely trust the establishment then collectively we are truly f@cked.”
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False construct.
There are obvious conspiracies- they take place in front of us run by the usual suspects. But he “conspiracy theories” are wishful thinking projections dreamed up by the same group of people who habitually claim intercourse with space aliens occured to them personally
Those should be always questioned and never swallowed.
I still prefer medical advice from qualified professionals, plumbing work done by qualified plumbers, and advice on space aliens and their sexual habits from people who have been in space.
Real medics and real plumbers and even real astronauts may mess up or even lie at times but their misdeeds will be found out by fellow medics and tradesmen and not by Incels burrowing into Reddit to read the latest nonsense dreamed up by a Russian spybot to feed their paranoia.
When you measure anything you need filters to screen out the nonsense and parameters to test what truth stands up. You can’t give it all equal credibilty or you end up bearing the stamp of the last person who sat on you.
Now look, there was only one person at Celtic who created this idea that we need or needed to sign four “Quality Players”, or two if you count his Loyal Lieutenant, our Club Captain, Callum McGregor, not anybody else, nobody else, apart from those two. It is not about data processing, it is about getting your excuses in, early doors…..if things go wrong. If things go right though, as I hope and believe they will, it is about holding up the trophies that the Celtic players we have now, today, go on to to win, the League and Cup double.
Ye gotta have faith in the team, in the club and in ourselves that that is exactly what we are going to do.
GreenPinata – The Doctors who whistle blew the scam were sacked, cancelled, or killed.
I`m counting the clock in this one…hopefully he makes it through.
https://x.com/KateShemirani/status/1752429781973426417?s=20
Doctor`s who are feted by the media are bought some even say that the turbo cancers and heart issue tsunami is down to climate change lol
Oh dear DNA in the vaxx but if you are Tommy and you get Sylvia`s DNA what are you then?
https://x.com/thehealthb0t/status/1752945883123966161?s=20
SFTB
Was the HIllsborough cover up nonsense?
Was the Post Office scandal nonsense?
Is the Orgreave cover up nonsense?
Windrush scandal and conspiracy. Nonsence ?
Was the Bloody Sunday cover up nonsense ?
Was blacklisting of Trade Unionists a nonsence conspiracy ?
Was the Anthony Blunt conspiracy a nonsence?
Numerous child abuse conspiracy/ cover ups from Rotherham, Kincora, the alleged Westminster Paedophile scandals to Hollie Greig.?
Jimmy Savile and the establishment cover up. More Nonsense?
Contaminated Blood scandal and cover up . Nonsense?
So many besides that memory cannot comprehend
There is so much more to develop over the Covid scenario. Jags lockdown control, flawed science and origination. I am no Covid denier, but there are many questions to be answered that the enquiry won’t answer
The evidence of conspiracy and conspiracy of silence is overwhelming and damming in this country. Who can believe anything the MSM and establishment feed us
Good people have fought the lies and taken on the establishment despite the odds. They have been aided by the opposite of lazy journalismand exposed the conspiracies. More power to their elbow.
For many years on here when the discussion and occasion allowed, I have been consistent in telling all and sundry to ” Be wary be very wary.
Cheers and HH.
Good morning all from Govanhill. Another fine day in the cradle of civilisation.
Who did we sign to replace Turnbull’s goals? Not been the success we wanted but a threat from edge of the box, set pieces and penalties so who takes up that role?
Ridiculous window and recruitment planning – the £2m incoming more important than the goals to help secure the £40-60m – mind boggling…….
Hard to believe that after being weaker at the end of summer window that we are probably weaker again after this one also. only a company with zero ambition and incompetence through the executive could manage such a shambles.
And still the blind cannot see – ffs……
Oh god, Turnbull’s now about to be hailed as a massive loss. The fact he’s gone is progress. MJ too (for now).
Good morning all from a very calm, rain free 9 degree Garngad.
Ah well we still need a left back.
Only 2 or 3 seasons about 4 – 6 windows but all is well in the Dynasties of, Liewwell, Desmond and Strachan.
It’s a family affair cue a song.
D. :)
Not what I said but don’t let that get in the way of the deludamol.
Who replaces his goals from edge of the box, FK and penalty options? We have not replaced that = we are weaker. Replace him with someone better (that’s the point surely?) and there is no issue….
We have gone from a policy of replacing players with one that are clearly not as good to not replacing at all – what next? But still extra £2m for bank balance so it’s all good…..
Lawwell/Lawwell have now put the title at serious risk.
Another shocking transfer window from an incompetent rookie who is not fir for purpose.
A disinterested major shareholder controlling a gutless inept Board.
What happens is on Lawwell/Lawwell.
No matter what happens now Rodgers will walk even IF we win the league. He cannot work with a Chairman deliberately sabotaging his mission..
Expect the serious back stabbing from his media whores to begin in earnest now— it’s already been underway since he returned to the club from the Lawwell proxy site.
Nothing changes until Lawwell parasites are forced out of the club.
MOISEY17
Are you seriously complaining that we didn’t bring in a replacement for David Turnbull?
Brendan Rodgers and half of CQN said we need to trim our squad as it was “bloated”. Consequently, several players have been shipped out one way or another.
You mention Turnbull’s skill from the penalty spot, as if there is no-one left in the squad to take penalties.
Yes, he was good for a goal from a substitute appearance but was always going to be a backup option and now he has a chance to make a name for himself in a different environment and much more game time.
I wish him well, but he’s not a Kyogo or a Matt O’Riley so there’s no panic about not replacing him.
Hail Hail.
We seem obsessed with balancing the books
Money in January 2.875….Money out 2.8..
Money brought in in the summer..30 million – Benfica cut…spent ..18-20 million
So when you hear someone from the board or manager say …each window we intend to be stronger its actually financially they must be talking…here’s me thinking it should be the playing side!!
This is why I never wanted Rodgers back. Not because he’s a bad coach. Not even because of the way he left – I can get over that.
I never wanted him back because I thought his presence would be divisive. Sections of the support are still not on board but crucially the club aren’t backing him; the backstabbing has started and going by Paul67’s last couple of articles, influential bloggers are trying to attack his character.
I think Rodgers is a fine coach and given the tools, he’d stroll this league against a spirited but ultimately limited Sevco.
Unfortunately there seems to be too many people who’d get more pleasure from watching him fail than watching us win.
In such an important season (financially the most important ever) we look a fractured club.
That’s certainly a new way of supplying info on transfers in and out by combining both Windows ,maybe they the club should also measure the optimism for the team of the support that go to games to establish if that has changed.
1977: Celtic 5-0 Airdrie, Scottish Cup; Joe Craig becomes one of a select band of Celtic players to have scored 4 goals in one game.
BELFASTJOE
Can you name the others?
Roll on Saturday.
HH
GEEBEE1978 on 2ND FEBRUARY 2024 7:57 AM
I wanted BR back as I thought and still think he is the best fit for the job.
I am still underwhelmed at the recent transfer window. It was the manager and captain who stated we needed quality.
I do not think that aspiration was met in the recent transfer window.
However I still think we will win the league. If Kyogo regains form and possibly Adam Ideh may facilitate that in the way Paddy Roberts brought out the best in James Forrest then it is game on.
HH.
SCUKLYBHOY
Do you mean exactly 4 or more than 3?
If more than 3…
Auld
Chalmers
Lennox
Hughes
Zurawski
Larsson
We’ve replaced 2 players who weren’t first team starters with 2 who probably won’t be – but with injuries to Hetate, Taylor and CCV – we look weaker.
Disappointed we’ve failed to capitalise on our financial advantage.
Can’t do anything about it now so it’s over to Brendan and the squad to deliver.
Good luck to MJ and DT
Checked out at 10pm last night. Transfer window was difficult viewing but not unexpected by our esteemed board 🤣. We are no worse off than we were before the transfer window opened. We have added a winger and a back up striker. We have moved on turnull and gucci on perm deals and sent a few other non- contributers out on loan. Never expected Hart to be replaced this window but ffs a leftback was massively needed given our options there. An underwhelming transfer window sums it up.
Can’t people please stop talking complete shit about champions league money being worth 60 and 70 million ffs, that is pie in the sky. The new champions league formate will be see a 50% increase from the eufa prize pot. That is presently around 25 million so a jump up to 37.5 million total increase of about 12.5 million. Plus likely more game than before (gate money). Champions league preformances to date suggest getting an additional 5th game is pie in the sky thinking as well. uefa have also committed to a 50% increase for europa league group participation under same formate with an added game and a high likelihood of an added game or more.
The increase in eurfa money is not a game changer and celtic know it. However it is a pleasant bonus from a celtic perspective. I clearly don’t agree.
` and advice on space aliens and their sexual habits from people who have been in space.`
Judging by some of the comments on here, you won`t be short of advisors.
Scuklybhoy
Dixie 6 – Partick
Gary Hooper 5 – Hearts
I was at both games and hadn’t aged a bit!
TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 2ND FEBRUARY 2024 8:26 AM
Didn`t Neil Mochan score five in a second replay against St Mirren?
If my memory serves me correctly, in the first game at Love St, St M went one up and we equalised within seconds. In the second game, we were 1-3 down, back to 3-3 , down 3-4 then back to 4-4. In the final game, we won 5-2 and Neily scored all five.
This is all from memory (although I was at all three games) so might be a tad inaccurate :-))
Gary also scored 4 against Raith
Scullybhoy
Gary Hooper
Jackie Dziekanowski
Jimmy McGrory
James Forrest
John Higgins
Sammy Wilson
Neilly Mochan
John Hughes
Joe McBride
Stevie Chalmers
Bobby Lennox
Willie Wallace
Dixie Deans
Charlie Nicholas
Brian McLair
Frank McAvennie
Herald Brattbakk
Henrik Larson
Shaun Malone’s
John Hartson
Maciej Zurawski
Jimmy Quinn
To start with
TT
Larsson
TT
GENE on 2ND FEBRUARY 2024 8:38 AM
Injuries to Hatate and CCV don’t make us weaker this because they have not been available all season. Taylor is out for a short period only. Abada has returned from injury so not sure we are looking weaker. The new winger will be no worse than tilio or micky johnstone and the striker just adds to oh, more depth but clearly no worse in quality than prior to the transfer window.
None of the above excuse a shite transfer window that failed to address key areas I would agree with.
GREENPINATA on 2ND FEBRUARY 2024 8:20 AM
I hope you’re right and my comment wasn’t a dig at Rodgers. Just read P67’s last couple of articles. Expect him to ramp it up if we have a few bad results.
Unfortunately we live in a world where there’s no middle ground and opinions are polarised. As a result it’s really important to understand the agenda behind the narrative.
Paul67 doesn’t like Brendan Rogers so he will have a bias towards blaming him when things go awry.
There are seem who seem to have an unhealthy, visceral hatred of the Lowell’s so will blame them for pretty much everything.
As with most things the truth normally lies in between. MNCELT’s post yesterday afternoon highlighting the lack of transfer activity nationwide is probably the closest you’ll get to the truth.
Does that mean I’m happy with the way the club is run? No. Does it mean I think recruitment is acceptable? No. Do I think the club could have more ambition? Most certainly yes. However, I’d rather do no business at all than sign the likes of Oh, Yang, Bernabei and Kobayashi for the sake of it. Indeed, my main disappointment from this window is that we were unable to rid ourselves of more players
Pistol Pete … ” well done Mark ,that’s the window slammed shut..
Markiebhoy… ” cheers pop , would you like a list of out of contract players ”
Pistol Pete … ” naw son that can be left back in the filling cabinet , out of contract players need paying and have no sell on value ”
😁
Donald having his say!
https://twitter.com/ChiChi_tivation/status/1753204026764599705?t=Q1ZXfHx-6K3vZ462YqDEpw&s=07&fbclid=IwAR38wPJHIdyN2eAbuxnAO2HXT0Xo3_Y1uobzrwKrAigJKrFOtuj4DzisRuQ
Fourstonecoppi, whilst rather amusing and not wishing those suggestions on anyone, I think I’d settle for Celtic paying Lawwell off even if it was a handsome payout, just so he could far cough
Reports of 8 weeks for Hatate 🤦♂️
No problems with those moved out,
Every squad need rotation, players moving on create space for others, I look forward to seeing more of Holm & Iwata. I thought Turnbull looked grumpy and switched off for some time, he did chip in with some good goals but equally did plenty of daft things,
The one huge disappointment for me was failure to bring in a left back, it was glaringly obvious that this position is our Achilles Heel and the area opponents will target, if it costs us The League I will never forgive them.
Even though he is from Cork like myself, I am not sure Idah is what we need upfront.
He is not a bad Footballer good to hold up a ball & bring others into game but imo a bit of a Mikey Johnston, plenty of promise & talent but never quite lives up to the promise.
Anyhow I will back him and every player who wears The Hoops to the hilt.
Window is closed moaning won’t change anything,
Bring on The Sheep.
THE BLOGGER FORMERLY KNOWN AS GM
Careful now ! You’re straying dangerously close to a sensible and balanced post!