Scott Brown’s injury-enforced absence from the team in recent weeks has at least taken heat of his contract situation but that will change in January, when he is back in the team and available to sign a pre-contract agreement. Neil Lennon reports that Celtic have met Scott’s terms but have declined to meet his agent’s demand.
Agent’s often have exclusive representation agreements with players which guarantee the agent a cut of any contract signed when the agreement is active. 5% of a four or five year contract for a top-earning Celtic player could easily reach £300k, or £360k including vat. This is a lot of money for the player to pay out of his after-tax income so what commonly happens is the agent uses his exclusive deal with the player to negotiate a pay-off from the club instead of acting for the player. Unlike the player, a club can reclaim vat and pays before, not after tax, so the same money going to the agent costs the combined player/club less.
It’s often the case, however, that the agent’s fee paid by the club has little resemblance to the percentage the agent would get representing the player. While a player has an exclusive deal with an agent, a buying club has three deals to agree: the selling club’s fee, the player’s wages and the agent’s fee.
Big agent fees don’t necessarily mean bad business for the buyer, as the agent may well have made a deal achievable at a purchase price which would not have been otherwise possible, but clubs are typically more reticent when it comes to paying agents to renew contracts for their existing players. One (then) SPL chairman told me he had a flat £500 tariff for such deals.
Artur Boruc concluded his last contract with Celtic without an agent. At the time he explained that he would need an agent if he was moving club but didn’t need one to negotiate a predetermined level on the Celtic pay structure. This would have saved Celtic money and might have earned Artur an extra bonus.
Scott Brown is not in this situation. If he is offered a contract of around £6m over five years, after 50% tax and 12% (?) national insurance (which Celtic and staff pay…), his take home pay from the contract will be considerably less. 5% of the contract could end up looking like 14% of take home pay after vat is added.
Celtic will also be alert to the dangers of precedent. If a player’s ‘advisor’ can get a significant pay-day out of a contract renewal there is no incentive for the player to conclude a deal with Celtic without an advisor, indeed, there is incentive to get one involved.
I’ve no information whatsoever on what is going on with Scott’s contract but the portents don’t look promising.
A couple of years ago we spoke about the excellent Why England Lose and its predecessor, Moneyball. Two books that sought to explain how to find value in football and baseball respectively. The Brad Pitt movie, Moneyball, based on the events analysed in the book, is now out. Not sure making a drama out of statistics is wise but I’ll need to check it out.
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philvis…,
I think the public sector should get a minimum of a 10% pay rise, they do a damn fine job.
Gorbalstam/Jeez thanks for the help
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire – I think the public sector should get a minimum of a 10% pay rise, they do a damn fine job.
I would also like a unicorn. (thumbsup)
philvisreturns says:
29 November, 2011 at 13:40
never took you long there phil,
wee bit slower than usual to get the we who fund the public sector part in,
For the sake of your argument, which is no doubt coming Id have readily accepted 2.5%
why wouldnt you be willing to fund a respectable pay rise to public service workers?
philvis…,
what colour ?
Is it a FACT that Whyte has not payed any tax/NI since May? Where did the RTC guy get his info from?
JJ
philvisreturns
Do the public sector workers who have not had a pay rise in two years whilst the cost of living has increased and now face a further two years of hardship not suffer?
Most public sector workers are very poorly paid as it is and most provide the services no private sector company wants to touch with a barge pole.
Handing out crisis loans to junkies for the rest of your life anyone? Going in to their rank, refuse filled homes to clean up when they move on? How about getting spat at because their giro did not arrive?
Public sector workers have it too good…
HH
HH
The weather forecast for tomorrow for the game is even worse than Saturday. Dreadful.
CANAMALAR 1339
Sorry,must have missed it. I’ll send you an invitation to MASSMORONMAYHEM,our first group outing-without supervision.
I probably got mixed up because you were listed on his most-loathed posters,and I wasn’t.
Ach,be honest. I didnae really get mixed up,I was just SO jealous…..
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The Truth and nothing but the truth over Broadfoot incident – but what is the truth?
There is some confusion over an incident that took place after Rangers 1-0 defeat to Kilmarnock on Sunday. It was mentioned first on fan forums and then reported this morning in both The Scottish Sun and the Daily Record, that an incident took place between Rangers fans and Rangers defender Kirk Broadfoot after the match.
According to The Scottish Sun, ‘Broadfoot was targeted by his own yob fans when they surrounded his motor as he headed home from a game’.
The article went on to claim that Rangers fans pounced on Broadfoot’s car as it stopped at traffic lights. Broadfoot’s mum, dad and nine-year old nephew were in the car at the time, when fans started bashing the windows.
This act, was allegedly followed by Broadfoot’s father getting out of the car to confront those ‘louts’ with Broadfoot getting out to try to calm things down before police arrived on the scene.
An unnamed source told the Scottish Sun: “Kirk was getting trouble from fans during the game. They were shouting abuse at him for what they thought was a poor performance. He’d been getting pelters. They just don’t seem to take to Kirk.
“After the game, at about 3pm, three so-called fans got in front of his car at traffic lights when he was driving his family home. Kirk’s dad got out of the car first to have it out with them, but Kirk followed quickly to make sure everything was ok. There were police in the area and they came over to deal with the situation.
“Kirk and his dad were able to get back into their car and drive off while the police dealt with the supporters.”
The Scottish Sun claimed that ‘tensions between the star and fans rose during the SPL champions’ first league defeat of the season’. When a group of fans ‘were involved in a war of words with Broadfoot at a corner kick’.
A Strathclyde Police spokesperson said: “There were three fans involved and they were giving him pelters, but there was no violence involved.”
Meanwhile, at rival newspaper the Daily Record they published that, ‘Kirk Broadfoot held clear-the-air talks with Rangers boss Ally McCoist yesterday after clashing with angry fans outside Rugby Park on Sunday’.
They added that ‘the defender was targeted by boo boys during his side’s shock 1-0 defeat at Kilmarnock and was seen trading insults with some travelling supporters during the second half’.
The Record state that the club believe that Broadfoot was provoked, but ‘warned the defender not to get involved again when he was confronted by a group of supporters who hurled abuse at him as he drove away from the ground with his parents and nephew’.
Another unnamed source said: “Kirk was driving away from Rugby Park when this group of supporters spotted him. They were actually hitting his car as he went past. Kirk’s dad got out to appeal for a bit of respect. Then Kirk got out and maybe in the heat of the moment he may have said one or two regrettable things.
“That’s why he wanted to have a word. Ally is not angry with him. He can understand why a player would want to react in such circumstances – especially when it’s happening in front of members of his family.
“But he thinks Kirk should know better. There are certain things Rangers players just shouldn’t do and getting involved in heated situations with your own supporters is high on the list.”
So who was it that actually confronted the fans? The Scottish Sun claim that it was Broadfoot’s dad and that Broadfoot tried to calm things down. Yet the Daily Record claim that it was the father who tried to calm things down and Broadfoot ‘in the heat of the moment… said one or two regrettable things’.
So the papers have had their say, two days after the incident took place. Yet the fans on Sunday night also had their say.
One fan posted on the Follow Follow Rangers messageboard:
“I was down the front of the chadwick stand today, just to the right of the goal as you look at the pitch, basically the side where Kilmarnock won their corner in the 90 +2 minute or whatever it was.
“Well, our team came back to defend the corner and Broadfoot comes to cover the front post, where he turns to the Chadwick stand and smiles. Not sure what this was about, but it looked like it was to do with the fact that some guys were pouring up the stairs to head home.
“Anyway, I took exception to this and shouted very loudly straight at him: ”It’s not funny Broadfoot, get your finger out”
“He then just lost it and started gesturing straight back at me pointing towards the dugout/players area in a see you outside there sense. Basically calling for a fight.
“When this happened about another couple hundred bears were witness and started straight back at Broadfoot calling him for everything.
“The play broke from the corner, however Broadfoot meandered out of the box whilst still facing the Chadwick and gesturing straight at me/us to meet him round the front entrance later.
“The final whistle then goes shortly afterwards and Broadfoot makes his move towards the Chadwick still gesturing to me and fellow fans to come round to players entrance etc.
“At this point McGregor moved swiftly towards him trying to huckle him up the tunnel, however the gesturing and shouting from him continued.
“The result was myself and hundreds around me screaming straight back at him for his behaviour.
“Now I am not trying to paint our players in a bad light for no reason, but I thought this behaviour was shocking and not impressed at all. Debating whether to chalk it up to emotions running high or a serious personal destruction of character by the lad.”
Another fan report doing the rounds stated that:
“As reported in other threads, broadfoot wanted a square go with bears in the crowd allegedly.
“Well at 10 past 3 he tried to attack on three guys in Dundonald road. The audi that he was in stopped 20 yards in front of me and my mrs, big kirk jumps out and tried to stick the head on one of 3 guys that were on the other side of the road.
“other people in the car came out and held kirk back, lots of shouting and arguing, plod came running to see what was going on, seen it was a rangers players and ordered him back into car, he was bundled back into the car by his mates and drove away.
“plod interviewed the 3 guys for 10 mins then sent them on their way. the guys were not wearing any football colours.
“this is no way a rangers player should act and in my opinion he crossed the line.”
So with the fans claiming the above in regards to Broadfoot and the papers claiming what they reported also, what is actually the truth? If the fans are solely to blame for giving a player pelters and then the player reacting like what has been alleged – then should Broadfoot be held accountable for his actions? And if the fans were at fault and harassed Broadfoot both during the game and then banging the windows of his car with his mum, dad and nephew in the car – why did the police allow the fans to leave when they were allegedly harassing and confronting Broadfoot away from the match?
As the X-Files told us time and again, the truth is out there.
Summa ft EggsHunADickCSC
Awe Naw
Maybe Rangers would be one of the SMEs to qualify for a grant. I don’t know. If they are, given they don’t pay their taxes, I agree it would be poor on the part of SCDI.
However, it would mean they got their act together and got the application in on time for August 5, which strikes me as unlikely.
If Scott really wants to stay he can pay HIS agent from HIS pay.
Celtic have made Scott a multi-millionaire on the back of a number of average years with the club. He can afford HIS own bills.
I would take the captaincy from him now unless he signs a new deal. I don’t want to see our captain in dispute over money with the club. The club wins every time.
If Scott doesn’t want to stay that’s OK but we have to move him on and try not to let him walk away for nothing. We’ve spent a lot of money in wages and transfer fee and even saving wages and getting a few hundred thousand in January would be better than nothing.
Looks like he’s had en oeuf.
SouthofTunis
Less of the Licorice McKenzie talk-you’ll be getting us all hot and bothered!
I joined the health service as a porter in 1989,the rare of pay was £3.02per hour..now I have moved on in the HS,but the guys doing this job now get £6.69ph.. £3.67 pay rise in 23 years..We should have been on strike along time ago..
We live in a very ill divided country last night on TV there was a guy who was involved with the Private Financial sector who provide funds for new Hospitals and schools and he admittd he was recieving 8.5 million pounds per annum in dividends yes 8.5 Million per annum.While many othere are having to face working longer for a reduced pension pure greed is what the UK government govern over and the unemployed the ill and the poorer paid workers can be dammned.H.H.
Bonty bhoy is skipping round the question again. I’m sorry, but his persistent refusal to reply to a simple question had my antenna up. Simply put, approximately 7% of the tax take is given to defence. Rangers not paying their tax has meant that a good few million quid did not go to giving servicemen and women proper equipment and medical care. The arguement is irrefutable, and to resort to name calling because you have been caught by the short and curlies does not answer the basic question. Singing God Save the Queen and Rule Brittainia while parading troops round a “loyalist” stadium does not mask the stench of hypocrisy.
Celtic_First says:
29 November, 2011 at 13:49
Excatly.
I would give you ten to one now that Duffield is there on a freebie and that it´s the old mafia for the mediocre handshake.
I think this is another Gordon Smith lead initiative that SHOULD back fire on him and his employees.
Hail HAil
BMCUW,
to be in such an exhaulted position, you’ve got to ask, how long can he ignore me :oD)))
philvisreturns says:
29 November, 2011 at 13:40
Che – Why would that concern you do you have some level of influence with the Chancellor?
It concerns me as a taxpayer Che.
Sounds like you want me and others like me who fund the public sector through our taxes to pay you more than a 1% rise.
So I’m curious as to how much of a rise you think you should get? (thumbsup)
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Philvis,old bean,you know I truly admire the way you back up your opinions on here,even though they are diametrically opposite to many on here. And I still do.
However,I fear you are on a loser here. Public-sector pensions are NOT the time-bomb that the Mail would have us believe. The ARE funded and affordable. That IS what the strike-with which I disagree,as a tactic-is about.
But as to the question you asked CHE,how about !% below a government-engineered inflation-rate,just to show a bit of willing to help?
And what public-sector job would you be willing to do for their salary?
Excatly=exactly
@philmacgiollabhain http://t.co/rKqKOqlH
I feel Kirk’s pain.
The next time I see the #9 Enigma I shall ask him to pass on his copy of ‘On Impulse, or on the Nature of Humans’, by Zeno of Citium, to the troubled K.Numbnuts.
To see Kirk being tormented by the great unwashed masses of the Horrible Horde is to see a lion being tormented by a pack of jackals.
case anyone missed it
u17s
730pm kick-off today
Celtic v Queens Park
Lennoxtown
Glasgow Cup
Lurcy,
I’m hoping they have managed to find the plug and connect it up by now!
From celticbars.com, any recommendations from this lot for tomorrow night? Anyone? Hmm? Hmm?
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MANCHESTER – THE BOWLING GREEN 3 GRAFTON ST, M13 9NZ (Tel: 0161 273 7036)
MANCHESTER – THE 32 CLUB HIGHER UNION ST ( OFF ARDWICK ROUNDABOUT ) ARDWICK GREEN (Henrik Larsson Manchester CSC) http://www.manchestercsc.com
MANCHESTER – HENNIGANS BAR 908 STOCKPORT RD, M19 3AD (Tel: 0161 257 2702) (Henrik Larsson Manchester CSC)
MANCHESTER – O’SHEAS BAR 80 PRINCES ST, M1 6NF (Tel: 0161 236 3906) (Corner of Whitworth St & Princess St) (Manchester Tommy Burns CSC) http://www.mtbcsc.co.uk or http://www.osheasirishbar.co.uk/
Swiss
DBBIA 1342
Not a problem,sir. It would have been earlier,but I could not connect to any links!
Then by chance,I clicked on the word CAUSE,job done.
So that was for the cause,I bet Declan from yesterday is raging I managed to get that one in before him,haha!!!!!!!
PS-Any joy wi that book? Halfway through my copy. Superb and strange,fascinating.
Awe Naw
Well, if you’re correct, that would be an outrage, of course.
I’m only trying to play the Devil’s Advocate, and when I analyse my own reasons for doing that, it’s because I think it’s a brilliant idea for Scottish companies to increase the amount of business they do with Brazil and for them to receive help to make that happen, if help is available.
Not Rangers, of course. I wish them no success in anything at all, ever.
Raymac@13:53
Well said Shun
DBBIA ——-
Absolutely ——- !
Remember going to a party at her house in Balmore .
She was freaky dancing to the likes of Charlie Christian and Cal Tjader——– guy I was with insisted that we left due to the shortage of spare talent . —– We had walked there from The Talbot Arms in Milngavie —- we walked back to Queens X from Balmore —— en route we were ‘ chased ” by some junior members of The Fleet –
Swinging Sixties – Glasgow Style
Who put that photo of Numbnuts on here? Don’t you know kids read the blog? Jeez, that’s all I need–a nightmare. Poor chap overdosed on ugly pills, perchance.
Swiss Tony
I watched a game in O’Shea’s once and it was good, walking distance from Oxford Road station. The Celtic game was on in the back as English football was on at the same time.
Che – wee bit slower than usual to get the we who fund the public sector part in,
Hi Che,
I’m not trying to trap you or anything, just genuinely interested in your opinions and hoping to have a reasonable discussion.
Naturally, all spending must come from tax or additional borrowing, so it’s important we keep in mind that there is no magic pot of gold to finance public services. It all comes from taxes levied on the private sector. The more we tax to pay for public services, the fewer jobs and wealth will exist in the productive part of the economy. So there is always a cost/benefits analysis to be made in any case for more public spending. Naturally it makes sense to pay for some public goods, less so for others.
why wouldnt you be willing to fund a respectable pay rise to public service workers?
Well, that depends on what you regard as respectable, does it not?
Personally, I would sack public sector workers by the million. There are far too many of them, contributing far too little to the taxpayer who has to shoulder the burden of their wages, their pensions, and their endless drama queen flouncing about “cuts”. We’re in a 4 trillion pound hole and desperately need to make savings to pay off the debts run up by the last Labour government.
The number of administrators in the NHS doubled during the last Labour government. Doubled! Patient care isn’t doubly as good as it was in 1997, so I think we can safely get rid of a few hundred thousand or so from the NHS alone without adversely affecting sick people.
However, that is not what the government is doing. They’re bending over backwards to appease public sector workers, maintain broadly the current levels of employment, pay, and perks in the public sector, while trying to deal with the terrifying reality that we’re teetering on the brink of national bankruptcy and could be blown over the edge at any moment, including by events outside our control like the Eurozone crisis. If your union leaders weren’t Marxist idiots, they’d recognise this, instead of inciting you to a damaging strike that will only turn most of the country against you.
If public sector workers aren’t willing to contribute an extra 3% or so towards funding the costs of their own retirement, why should we, the taxpayers, be expected to contribute anything? Cut ’em loose. A healthy dose of reality never hurt anybody.
I would also end national pay bargaining, which I see George has done, and let public sector wages be determined at a more local level to suit local conditions.
So, it might be appropriate to offer a bigger rise in some areas than others, or even to cut wages in some areas where the public sector currently pays in excess of local market salaries.
Sadly, we’re all having to work a bit harder for a bit less in these straitened times. We’re all in this together. (thumbsup)
philvisreturns
I’ve worked in the public sector for over25 years. I haven’t had a pay rise for years as I’m on the max in my grade.
I’m not well paid but stuck with it as the pension compensated for the pay.
Now my pension conts are going up, but the pension is worth less. I haven’t had a proper consolidated pay rise for years.
I can still afford to go to games but many of my colleagues can’t manage.
I would happily take any kind of pay increase but that’s not happened for about 7 years (apart from one off payments).
If you’re dealing in animals can I have a giant panda as the kids saw them on the news last night!
rankers Karma is approaching rapidly.
Their owner resembles a chameleon
Karma Chameleon!
Celtic_First says:
29 November, 2011 at 14:00
That the Scottish Council for Development and Industry use the exact same auditors as Rangers and is of course a complete coincidence.
Question should be asked but of course they never will with our limp wristed journalist fraternity.
I will be amazed if this trip was one of Craig Whytes priorities two months into his reign at hun FC.
If HUN FC have done this off their own back unprompted by shared accountants and have paid for it then of course there is not a problem.
I dont believe that to be the case however.
Hail HAil
Swiss…,
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is the one, quite a few CQN’ers frequent it too.
CANAMALAR 1354
He probably has a fair few friends who hold you in equal esteem,and they ignore you too!
So he’s in good company. As long as it’s not mine,I’m fine.
My wife is coming into Glasgow later in her new car,heading back home along the M8 westwards anyone need a lift home?
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