I enjoy Roddy Forsyth’s articles and broadcasts but I’m staggered at today’s article in The Telegraph. The initial headline read “Scottish clubs fear bankruptcy if Rangers are stripped of titles for tax avoidance”, but was amended to “SPL (sic.) clubs fear they will be hurt financially themselves if Rangers stripped of titles”.
Justification for this claim lies with the fact that clubs who lost a cup final to Rangers during their tax evasion (not avoidance) era, may have to pay a win bonus to players, which would be enough to tip them into bankruptcy.
These clubs would, we are told, prefer to sit tight as runners up, than be awarded a cup win. One chairman told Roddy, “Celtic might be able to afford that but nobody else could”.
Nobody else could afford a win bonus, so let’s not impose the unwelcome burden of winning on them! Consider what that makes supporters of these clubs!
Another chairman told Roddy, “my view is that the EBT scheme was questionable and maybe even reckless from the start but they were given expert advice and they acted on it”. “Questionable”, “reckless”, I think the word you’re looking for is illegal. Paul Baxendale-Walker’s expert advice was only one aspect of his flamboyant commercial undertakings.
Documentation was also hidden from HMRC, the SFA and SPL, and as ‘Mr Black’ told the Tax Tribunal, the ruse was designed to recruit better players. Who win more trophies.
Falkirk, Queen of the South, Dundee, St Mirren, Dundee United, Motherwell and Ayr United all lost finals to an EBT-fuelled Rangers, as well as Celtic, of course. Let’s hear from any of them who don’t want the matter formally examined. And let the door slam on their backside on the way out of competitive sport. Forget what’s happening in Russia, this is going on TODAY in Scotland!
If any of these clubs are campaigning for Rangers to keep their EBT trophies, it’s important their fans know about it. Roddy doesn’t suggest his two chairmen-sources come from any of these clubs, in fact, he describes them as “SPL” chairmen, the former name for our top flight.
So who are they?
Celtic, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Hearts can all be excluded from consideration. Think what you like about any of these clubs, but I cannot imagine any of their chairpersons considering this nonsense. Which leaves:
Kilmarnock. Michael Johnston is no longer chairmen, that role is fulfilled by Jim Mann.
Partick Thistle: David Beattie.
Motherwell: Brian McCafferty.
Inverness: Kenny Cameron.
Dundee: Bill Colvin.
Hamilton: Les Gray.
Ross County: Roy MacGregor.
St Johnstone: Steve Brown.
To the horror of Accies fans, in 2012 Les Gray said “SFL clubs should not be put in the position to vote on something which may destroy Scottish Football”. I wonder what Les is saying off the record now.
The Brown family have chaired St Johnstone through many issues, but their fans were off the mark quickly in 2012 to let Steve know their thoughts the last time Scottish football faced a decision to follow the rules, or not.
Roy MacGregor bristled with irritation when others tried to influence him in 2012. He has a reputation of knowing his own mind.
I don’t know anything about Bill Colvin, Kenny Cameron, Brian McCafferty, David Beattie or Jim Mann, but I suspect the names of both Roddy’s chairmen are on this page.
You’ll never read a better insight into why corruption was allowed to fester in our game than the glimpse available in today’s Telegraph, or that it remains endemic. Scottish football cannot be a comfortable haven for lawbreaking.
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What is the subsequent process if BDO appeal on Dec 2nd?
Embdy?
MINCEYHEIDMAN on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 6:24 PM
You always get wee diamonds of a comment on CQN that had me giggling away.
So the glib and shameless lying king issues such threat to other clubs about challenging rangers tainted titles
If celtic do nothe raise this with the sfa and also challenge the titles they won – they will take their seat at the back of the bus which is somewhere I and many others will not accept
I trust celtic will react accordingly
‘ the players went one way, and the ground another’
Ben Turpin King.
Bring it on ya skelly eyed fud.
HH
Dave King threatening anything that moves….what a fud.
Where is the UFH these days ffs.
He needs slapped with it.
HH
Or halfwits !
MSM think they know more than internet bampotd….,how wrong….they want the gig and their succulent bobotie BUT …. There is signs of certain media peeps starting to ‘move’
I wonder if the judiciary will decide that 3 years has been long enough for the “danger to public order” to have subsided and simply put them out of their misery by indicating that they are indeed a new club.
If that happens, can we anticipate that the thinly veiled official threats emanating from the Sevco chairman will finally be put to an end?
Maybe it’s for the best to finally acknowledge that elephant for everybody’s ultimate safety?
during rangers tax evasion years , Celtic and other SPL clubs came close to signing players who would have improved the team. i recall Celtic being linked and in talks with many great players , negotiations always seemed to drag on and we were always just short…..due to financial prudence.
Do you remember , Rangers always completed their deals very quickly and got their man! now we know why.
SPORTING ADVANTAGE on a grand ole scale!
Evening Timland from a cool hun free mountain valley.
Glibby should keep em coming, please.
The more the moron speaks, the more the fans will rally against them.
What a tool.
So they would have bought Players of similar ability, with what!
All they had to do was to pay their Taxes, declare every Penny that they payed their Players…who is to blame…Mr. Black who took them from the black into the red and then they died.
I know Supporters will follow Celtic anywhere and everywhere but in my opinion there is not a case to step inside their old ground ever again. You are just giving money to Tax cheats…they died forget them.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Good Evening Timand.
The big toothless bully still strutting his stuff,
ffs Celtic grow a pair and put these horrible
cheating bastards to the sword,if we don’t
our future will make Black Sunday look like
a minor setback.
” the players went one way, and the ground another”
Bomber Brown’s head has just spontaneously exploded trying to comprehend this
theglasgowcelticway on 12th November 2015 6:28 pm Have I or have I not just heard this most stupid comment of all in this EBT debacle? Dave King said ” Some players might not have come to Oldco if EBT’s were not available but if they didn’t come we’d have got players of similar ability.”
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Yes – I think it means you can get the SAME quality of player for LESS money.
Don’t know why everybody doesn’t do it!
Wow things are going mental,mental,chicken oriental!
Dave,sit down,shut up,you’re a glib n shameless liar.
Same club my haw maws! Cheers Charlie,Mr Brown and the good ole Scottish legal system!
There’s been an elephant the room for too long but it has to be asked…….
W,w,w,w,w,what’s in the basket?
Eon – “Basket Case”: http://youtu.be/_0Q1NejNRqU
Regarding Glibs statement.
Interestingly he mentions club shareholders,who have,by his logic been let down by the decision that resulted in thems being “demoted” in 2012.
Could someone point out Resolution 12 is from shareholders .
I’m sure our smsm chaps will put him right.
They’re all over it .;-)))
AT’s latest blog
‘Toxic white asbestos found in Calais ‘Jungle’ camp’
ha guess where that could also apply to
Mags
According to John James..
“The appeal processes are over. A Supreme court challenge would be an extraordinary event given that any challenge has no legal merit.”
NO LEGAL MERIT.
Legal dunderheids that we are, we seem to be more informed than the stenographers and such in the media.
They see this COS verdict as just another in a series of games – a bit like the world series in baseball. Best of 5 or something.
They fail to grasp that this verdict is absolutely binding unless it is overturned in the Supreme Court.
The COS Lords spelt it all out very, very clearly; chapter, verse and references – and they were unanimous.
An application to appeal would therefore be likely to be denied.
It has no legal merit and would be dismissed as a frivolous application. (That is my opinion)
Hope you’re dry after the deluging in the state.
Wilson getting the facts totally wrong again, and getting away with it.
Bbc shortbread insulting the intelligence again. Awful stuff.
Dallas wheeled under the pretence of referees being fast tracked too quickly
His take is its managers who havent had competition for tge last ‘3 or 4 years’
A**e !
Good Evening.
Here are some reflections on this afternoon’s Green v RIFC hearing at the Court of Session…
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/11/12/sevco-sevco-sevco
“Throughout the period in question the shareholders were committed to providing funding to the Club.”
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Didn’t King try to sue Murray because he realised the money was coming from the bank, not Murray?
For the GOOD of Scottish Football.
All together boys.
How big a numpty is he if he thinks that we are tat big a numpty.
Apparently some newspaper websites block comments that contain the word SEVCO. On the grounds of it being racist?
How is that publication going to report today’s Court Proceedings?
Hmmm.
From earlier.
DONTBRATTBAKKINANGER on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 4:21 PM
Quonno- this is the gift that just keeps giving.
and Mike Ashley is in full ‘schoolbhoy pullin’ the legs off an ole millipede’ mode.
I simply said that if there is an appeal we will all come down for our present high while it is being heard.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/scottish-football-cannot-be-haven-for-lawbreaking/comment-page-4/#comments
Caley Thistlle really struggling without sevco fans buying their pies. The highlanders have announced a record profit of a quarter of a million. The promise of “armageddon” seems emptier every day, but I guess we should treat the latest threats from the nuthouse as genuine this time.
TIM MALONE WILL TELL @ 6:53 PM,
“I wonder if the judiciary will decide that 3 years has been long enough for the “danger to public order” to have subsided and simply put them out of their misery by indicating that they are indeed a new club…”
Well that’s a good point, the other points to back up that notion is, to the Football Authorities wish to enforce Rangers outstanding fines on a cash strapped Sevco. Do the Football Authorities really want to impose further sanctions against Sevco when the BTC findings are upheld and they have to act. Do the Football Authorities really want to trawl through their rules and the articles of association to find the rules they can bend and break, just have a Judicial Review of their processes and decisions, forensically investigated.
Think the zeitgeist has changed, sports governing bodies are no longer looked upon as bastions of fair play and upholders of integrity.
There is no upside to maintaining the Sevco same Club myth. Sevco will be in the premier league next Season, and You’ve got to say, largely On Their own merit.
The Contingent liability of Oldco Rangers is a danger to the Footballing authorities and Sevco. If their smart they will cut it loose.
Hail Hail
HUGH DALLAS! Joke of a referee – Someone should make a compilation of recent scandalous refereeing decisions made my scottish officials with the banner “amongst the best in europe”. Would include the hearts player kneeling within hand on ball in the penalty box, the cup final blatant hand ball, penalty to rangers whilst looking in the opposite direction , ranger v dundee united disallowed goal and on and on and on and on …..
The attitude of Scottish referees is arrogant, their silence suspicious and their performances stink of corruption – thanks to the foundations laid by hugh dallas!
“If the history of our Club comes under attack we will deal with it in the strongest manner possible”
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Errr – nobody is interested in your piddling little fourth division title.
The great Jason Isbell on Whispering Bob.
Boy, can that boy write a choon.
EMERALDBEE\O/ STILL PROUD TO BE AN INTERNET BAMPOT on 12TH NOVEMBER 2015 4:28 PM
quonno
why would you expect that BDO ‘must’ appeal? What’s in it for them other that the great expense involved in going to the highest court in the land?
First off giving BDO the benefit of the doubt, they are not the chancers that Duff and Phelps were.
As such, they will set out to protect all creditors of which HMRC is only, admittedly a major one.
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The ban on the use of Sevco…
Ach, Clumpany beat me to it. No surprise there.
listened to Radio HUNLAND. incredible.. A platform for DFallas to spout lies and bigotry.. Not a question like How does a confirmed cheat and bigot get on Radio?
I have just read kings latest statement.
My reaction?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Heeeeehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Hooooghohohohohohohohohohhggooooooooo
Pssftttttttttttt
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Have we now entered an alternate reality in Scotland?
largely On Their own merit
…well apart from the governing bodies turning a blind eye to them trading insolvent and giving them a footballing licence when they didn’t fit the criteria
Anyway got ELO tickets today
But I am not sure that the gig will take place as we have entered the the twilight zone in good ole racist Scotland.
Their either going to build bridges with the
rest of Scottish fitba or kick it’s fcuking head
in.
Magnificentseven on 12th November 2015 4:21 pm
I sincerly hope that there is not an appeal.
However, if there is not, there will be some serious goat abusing to save various skins.
It might even emerge that there were side letters to side letters covering Minty’s pockets should the shit and fan collide.
Mags,
There are a few of things you need to consider
Who appointed BDO ?
Who are the biggest creditor ?
Now the answer to both being HMRC, we might think BDO would be under pressure to accept and get on with raising what they can from other sources
But
HMRC might actually want this to go all the way, to ensure their prospective future targets have no room left or recourse to the lords which is where this would end up if an appeal was granted, I’m sure I read.
Now do you think HMRC are willing to watch BDO spend the recovered money on taking this all the way, or would they rather watch a future target spend their own money trying to defend it ?
Me, I’d expect HMRC will take what they can and tell BDO to pull in their neck, they are after all representing the creditors, innit :)