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Season tickets renewed. Of course.

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You know me.  There was never any chance of me not renewing my season ticket.  I’ve been there for the nine, I was there for Oldco’s nine, so hell would freeze over before I would miss next season.  But even acknowledging that, I wanted to see what the deal was before signing up.

I renewed today.  From September or October, some of us could be allowed back into Celtic Park, it will be later before the stadium is full.  I know how important this season is.  When I review our finances, every year I note the importance of season ticket sales in allowing Celtic to plan and keep the lights on.

Watching on TV is well short of the real thing, but I can afford the tickets, and the consumer value of this year’s proposition is not really an issue, I just wanted to know what it was before putting my card details in.

The economy has skewed in the last four months.  While some have earned every overtime hour available and others have seen bank balances rise as they’ve spent practically nothing, others became unemployed or are facing that prospect.  If you are a Celtic fan who has lost their income having supported the club through two, or even three, periods of Scottish football being dominated by nine-in-a-row runs, missing out on next season will be an added indignity.  There will be many in this situation.

I know how important season ticket revenue is under normal circumstances.  With the collapse of retail, hospitality, and other stadium income streams, that has never been truer. For those of us who can, we are here for 10, be it at home, distanced in a half-filled stadium, or celebrating with 60,000 friends.

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  1. onenightinlisbon on

    Lots of comments on here show a complete lack of appreciation of the financial plight many of our supporters are in. People commenting on being “surprised” that some of our supporters are not renewing in such an important season smack of the same lack of moral compass Boris and his pals have displayed over the last three months. So much for a club like no other….

  2. If we kick off the Season with Callum and Odsonne I will be one happy camper.

     

     

    These 2 guys are pivotal to the way we play Football.

  3. SLABHOY – ON THE ROAD TO 10 on 10TH JUNE 2020 8:38 AM

     

    I am sure by offering on here that facility it would allow anyone that wished to do so would be a good way.

     

    I can help facilitate this by putting anyone interested in touch with one another lennybhoycfc@gmail.com

     

    Off now to watch Mass, remembering my late Dad and Mum who is still with us, today would have been their 59th wedding anniversary.

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

    Hail Hail!

  4. Tim Malone Will Tell on

    I can understand that those who have to give up their season ticket under the current circumstances feel incredibly hard done by – but the season ticket revenue is the only certainty for Celtic in the immediate term, everything else is either unknown or heavily dependent on external factors.

     

     

    As some concession, I would suggest that those who choose to not renew be given the option to immediately register on the season ticket waiting list, with their continuous years of season ticket holding being treated as “years waiting” to allow them some priority in any future queue.

  5. I Think some of the comments that our owners should just throw ??? millions of their

     

    money at the club in situation is crass.

     

     

    If i worked for a company struggling in crisis i would hope owner would throw any

     

    millions at his workers/business

     

    rather than at say a American ice hockey/football/soccer team

  6. Tim Malone Will Tell on

    I posted yesterday that Championship teams in England will allow season ticket holders to stream both home and away games until the end of this season – and will allow non-season ticket holders to stream individual games for £10 each.

     

     

    In saying that – there has been no announcement as to how Championship will handle next season – but I find it hard to believe that they will offer anything less.

     

     

    Given that the EFL are dealing with the same broadcaster (SKY) – not sure why there should be a difference in what’s on offer either side of the border?

     

    Is it the broadcaster who is imposing limitations, or are the Scottish clubs worried about season ticket take-up if streamed pay-per-view becomes a new option?

  7. ONENIGHTINLISBON on 10TH JUNE 2020 9:24 AM

     

    Lots of comments on here show a complete lack of appreciation of the financial plight many of our supporters are in. People commenting on being “surprised” that some of our supporters are not renewing in such an important season smack of the same lack of moral compass Boris and his pals have displayed over the last three months. So much for a club like no other….

     

     

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    Sorry fella that is not true and I think people on here are capable of holding several differing views at once. There is clearly sympathy for people unable to pay for a book in these times AND a desire to maximise the revenue needed by Celtic to win the ten, highly leveraged on season books.

     

     

    What’s the answer to crack both needs above and keep everyone happy?

  8. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Tim- FWIW,I think Sky will be delighted to take anyone’s money,I think club’s might see their ST being devalued, a balancing act,if guys can pay £7-8,to watch a game at CP,while I pay about £34 a home game, doesn’t bother me. Some revenue for the club,and guys get to watch the team,it is a temporary measure for a couple of months, we will all have to concede a bit here IMO.

  9. onenightinlisbon on

    BIG WAVY on 10TH JUNE 2020 9:57 AM

     

     

    Paul’s Lead – “Season ticket renewed, of course” smacks of this …

  10. BIG WAVY on 10TH JUNE 2020 9:57 AM

     

     

    What’s the answer to crack both needs above and keep everyone happy?

     

     

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    I think it’s pretty clear that Celtic fans want the same arrangement Motherwell have. Happy to give the money over now on the understanding that the club will make it right.

  11. ONENIGHTINLISBON on 10TH JUNE 2020 10:03 AM

     

    BIG WAVY on 10TH JUNE 2020 9:57 AM

     

    Paul’s Lead – “Season ticket renewed, of course” smacks of this …

     

     

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    I can’t speak on Paul’s behalf but having ‘virtually’ known him for years I’d say he’s got a decent moral compass and recognises that some fans fall on tough times and the ticket must go as a result of this. I don’t see people (i.e. those who can and will) rubbing others’ (those who’d like but can’t) nose in it but appreciate it’s heartbreaking for good folk who can’t stretch in these tough times, especially given what’s up for grabs.

     

     

    I don’t the answer to squaring the demands on both side without exhausting the supply side of people ‘who can and will’….

  12. Timaloy29

     

     

    What are Motherwell doing? And before comparing apples with pears, I suspect their overheads are a fraction of what Celtic’s are?

  13. Tim Malone Will Tell on

    BADA

     

     

    I agree with you – many people would still gladly pay more for the experience of going to the game even if streaming was an alternative.

     

     

    I think if the clubs have faith that a new financial model would work for them wrt season tickets and streaming then they would go for it – but it is understandable that they are scared to commit to anything too radical too quickly.

     

     

    Maybe a season of watching and monitoring what goes on in England next year might be necessary to figure out what’s possible and how the numbers would add up.

     

     

    When you think about it, for old codgers like us, the notion of selling 55000 season tickets is very new. When Celtic did their original 9-in-a-row, we were living in times when you could wake up on Saturday morning and decide if you fancied a visit to Parkhead or not.

     

    Heysel, cheating huns and telly money radically changed the financial model in the 90’s – maybe something equally seismic is about to happen for the likes of Celtic to survive and thrive.

  14. I haven’t read any comments on here disparaging others for not renewing, it’s a personal decision.

     

     

    I do though believe it’s somewhat financially ignorant to expect or demand Celtic make up the short fall for those that can’t renew.

     

     

    There are thousands of fans on a waiting list who deserve the opportunity to get their seat.

     

     

    It’s easy to take the holier than thou approach about the perils of corporate greed while ignoring the fact it has been our financial strength that has brought us to the brink of the ten.

  15. Thanks Emeraldbee.

     

    Moi looks to have secured the left midfield slot. Jamesie running away with the right.

     

    Broony still a bit behind but closing the gap. A lot of voting over the next hour and a half might do it.

     

    Hail Hail

  16. I’ve read only sympathy on here for those fellow Tims – and all in society – hit financially by this crisis.

     

     

    And complaints on here in recent days have been based (imho justifiably to an extent) on Celtic’s handling of the ‘offer’ that a season ticket will include and its value for money or otherwise.

     

     

    I feel I’ve been more of a disaffected critic than a happy clapper on here for some time, but on this occasion I have real sympathy for those running the business as they try to deal with the wtaf curve ball that is Covid to the industry.

     

     

    The more so as our business model is so heavily predicated on us paying up front to ensure our participation on a mass public gathering every fortnight. Add in the fans’ clamour to retain stars and sign at least one other (FF) to maximise our chances of the 10. And finally into the mix will have come the Sky tv deal. Celtic will no doubt have been aware as early as possible. But It would still have been short notice in terms of financial planning for a multi £M business.

     

     

    HH jg

  17. SLABHOY

     

     

    Thanks for your reply. I worked in the carpet industry once upon a time and there was a job called slaboy. In fact it was shown on t.v. as a play written by John Byrne. The factory it was set in was were I worked. Good idea about the season ticket and virtual season ticket.

     

     

    Lennybhoy we met briefly at the day out for the late Stephen Houston. I won’t email you at the moment but I am interested in anything that allows the sharing of a ticket or access to a virtual ticket.

     

     

    KEEP THE FAITH

  18. BIG WAVY on 10TH JUNE 2020 10:13 AM

     

     

    What are Motherwell doing? And before comparing apples with pears, I suspect their overheads are a fraction of what Celtic’s are?

     

     

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    Motherwell have promised that the season book will give fans entry into a set amount of home games. If the SPFL 20/21 season doesn’t fulfill that amount they will make up the difference with cup games or 21/22 SPFL games.

  19. On a different matter,and it’s regarding the bias of Sky Sports ,back I the day when it’s sports programme came on the screen,of all the ex players that retired,the sevco supporter who was at STV sports Andy Devlin took up the post at Sky,and low and behold the 2 front men presenting the show none other than Jim White Andy Gray 2 big bluenoses,has anything changed nope ,This morning watching the Football Show who is on it,Souness and Boyd,another 2 Bluenoses,and the Sevco Club and Supporters say all them in the Sports Media have it in for Sevco Football Club,really over the years the media are the darling boys of Sevco,talk about them being fair and balanced to other clubs ,pull

     

    the other leg.Watching that this morning I said to myself why have I went back to Sky,I’m sorry I did,Wouldn’t it be great if we could give our club the money that Sky pay to Celtic,go to the highest court in the land and see if we could have our own T V Company showing all home and away games,after all they say it’s a free economy so why not,if this makes sense,I’m not very good at putting my thoughts across but I try,but it’s all for my Club Celtic

  20. TheTwelfthMan on

    There are people with season tickets now struggling financially who have renewed year-on-year for a good period of time because they could afford it in times past. There are people without season tickets on the waiting list who for financial reasons in times past couldn’t afford an annual season ticket. Life, and circumstances, change, sometimes to your advantage, other times not. All are good Tims to a man. All equal in their love of the club.

  21. Motherwell have promised that the season book will give fans entry into a set amount of home games. If the SPFL 20/21 season doesn’t fulfill that amount they will make up the difference with cup games or 21/22 SPFL games.

     

     

     

    Thanks Timaloy29 but as apples and pears go:

     

     

    Motherwell – 1,500 STs out of 13,677 capacity, £4m overall operating costs.

     

    Celtic – 52,000 STs out of 60,000 capacity, £86.9m operating costs.

     

     

    What a community club can do is not what I’d like a large, £100m+ business to replicate.

     

     

    Don’t you think?

  22. A wee question.

     

    What evidence is there that those on waiting list are currently capable of taking on the expense of a ST?

  23. Still not FFin’ accepting it:

     

     

    “Our board must go legal regarding placements awarded.”

     

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    “As logic tells you. YOU CANT guess placements like the SPFL. Belgium tried this as did France hence these court cases.”

     

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    “Remember we have a prima fiscal case regarding Dundees 1st vote and its legality. This once challenged lead to a forensic examination of the Dundee vote and who knows what we uncover. At best corruption and worst a vote that should not have passed.”

     

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    “We must push for this now. As time is our biggest enemy.”

     

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    “It seems to be in our nature to want to be seen as the good guys, always doing the thing that’s right for Scottish football.”

     

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    “To me integrity is paramount.”

     

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    “If Hearts aren’t relegated, then [Sevco] must issue legal proceedings. We cannot allow a League title to be awarded without relegation for the bottom placed club. It is principle at stake here.”

     

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    “If we agreed to end the league then thats an obstacle.”

     

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    “There are 3 objectives for me.

     

     

    1. We dont get ….ed when Hearts are giving a life line and we are found wanting.

     

    2. We get the chance to get what our dossier asked for a forensic audit of dundee vote.

     

    3. We remove the gifting of a title as its illegal never mind sporting integrity.”

     

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    “So where’s the precedent?”

     

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    “The precedent is you cant guess league positions.”

     

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    “I don’t understand why the club haven’t made a colossal deal of this ? This is a bigger outrage than the entire contents of the dossier.”

     

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    “The ACTUAL outcome if the league had been played out may well have been different to the assumptive position ,and the actual league positions if played out would have been 100% truth and proper ,therefore anything else works backwards from the truth .”

     

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    “I’m sure they will have got the trophy in graves just to make it harder to overturn”

     

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    “i don’t think you are following law correctly here. You are right that courts are not interested in ‘might.’ So us saying that we ‘might’ have won won’t interest them…for a club to legally the challenge the way it ended, they would have to be able to show that they experienced direct harm… think of it like getting the wrong product in your Tesco home delivery. If the product is worth less than what you expected, you can argue that you have a case against them. If it is worth the same or more, then you won’t get very far in court.”

     

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    “A prima fiscal case that all that matters even if we cant prove.”

     

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    “We need a public enquiry into that dundee vote if nothin else.”

     

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    “I stated months ago we need to get Stranraer onside”

     

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    “I now go from thinking this board were finally showing some strength back to my original thoughts of them being weak and impudent.”

  24. Monaghan1900,

     

     

    Looks like the Huns are in need of one of those sooper dooper, starlets to be signed today to divert their eyes from their board’s incompetence.

     

     

    Usually works though.

     

     

    Gullible fools.

  25. QUONNO on 10TH JUNE 2020 11:49 AM

     

     

    None substantial, I’d guess. Just a desire

     

    This whole thing is a risky business for everyone associated with the club. Unprecedented, it’ s a calculated shot in the dark. It’s all a bit “imperfect.”

  26. RON BACARDI on 10TH JUNE 2020 11:52 AM

     

    I think BCD games merit half price refunds.

     

     

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    Do you think they merit half price transfer bids and halving players contractual wages too, especially given they are are back working full time?

     

     

    Or the sell of Edouard and Ajer without replacement?

     

     

    Whopaystheshortfall csc

  27. MONAGHAN1900 on 10TH JUNE 2020 11:51 AM

     

     

    Personal favourite.

     

    “It seems to be in our nature to want to be seen as the good guys, always doing the thing that’s right for Scottish football.”

     

     

    #Lackofselfawareness

  28. Most of the discussions on this blog with regards not taking up the vst option has centred on moral sentiment rather than financial issues. I have read a lot of thing such as, it’s no fair to charge same price, the big bad board and res.12 etc. to justify reasons why people should not purchase vst’s. Cool, each to their own, but I am happy to purchase because I want the club to be at it’s best, to challenge for honours and to keep or get the best players it can. That cost money.

     

     

    I am not a happy Clapper as some would say, I support celtic. I am done with the sanctamonious brigade who want to talk all things celtic, want to enjoy the good that comes from celtic but raise their nose to folk like me and thousands of others.

     

     

    If you cant afford to purchase a vst that is a different matter and perhaps we as a community could find a way to make sure we support our own, if your household has more than one vst and another is struggling reach out 👍

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