The headlines screamed today of secret meetings between Sevco owner, Charles Green, and SPL chairmen, as Green attempted to convince them to change direction and vote Sevco into the SPL. Jim Spence reported exactly the same on the BBC at the weekend, crucially adding how little impact the pleas had and that the SPL vote was certain to go against Sevco.
‘News’ that three clubs were prepared to back Green is just another way of reporting that at least eight clubs will vote against. A suggestion (which came from Kilmarnock) that SPL clubs vote in secret ballot instead of an open show of hands is laughable and will be dismissed.
Tomorrow’s SPL meeting will be a lot less significant than today’s Scottish Football League meeting. More on this later.
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James,
Coming from a wee Hun infested village as a boy, a 18 year old during the hunger strikes I have fought my battles with these guys over the years, this is a more emotive subject than any of this stuff gone past.
There will be public disorder, in my opinion if Celtic make a statement against the Newco.
Just my opinion.
RobinBhoy
‘crushed nuts?’ ‘Naw, Layringitis!’ on 3 July, 2012 at 11:50 said:
‘Join Gerry McCulloch, #Rangers legend Bomber Brown, Hugh Keevins and Gordon Dalziel’
They’ll be discussing string theory and giving a definitive view on thon higgs boson particle. Bomber & Gordon will then explain that there libor scams that the banks were pulling before finally coming up with a restructure of scottish football that’s so beautiful and fair that Shug ‘n’ Ger can only cry.
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To be fair McCulloch doesn’t tsake any of that &^$^, he tells it like it is!
Kit
Fergus realised that he needed billionaires on the board. Not as we would all like to think for sugar daddiness but as an extra level of security but mainly to put the frighteners up Sir David Murray and it worked.
The subsequent appointment of finance expert Brian Quinn and his prudence.
The difficult decision not to back MON … I am sure De Boer and Flo had lots to do with that.
The appointment of ex Home secretary rottweiler and subterfuge expert John Reid … who when it comes to covert operations is an expert.
The patience that we all had to endure including the board until the RBS loan madness towards Murray came to an end and Murrays subsequent stalling techniques and then the Craig Whyte circus.
I think they have done good by us.
If the Old Firm is consigned to history
and
If we do not relent regarding
If this was just a regime change initiative I think they would consider that particular action to have been completed.
We will soon find out. Very soon
HAil Hail
James Forrest
My take on the subject is as a wise man once said don’t interrupt your enemies when they’re making a mistake.
Had Celtic lead the way in advocating the prosecution of rangers for their misdemeanours they would have polarised Scottish football between ourselves and them.
I firmly believe that given their previously shown enmity towards us many of the other clubs in that situation would not have supported the Celtic line preferring to side with the ‘less bad for Scottish football’ alternative.
I think therefore our board have played this issue perfectly which I would paraphrase as We will do what we think is right for Celtic consistent with the needs of Scottish football.
You couldn’t criticise that even with a different agenda.
Think all this crazy talk about women getting stalked by a ice cream van is just silly and a sign of the chimes
Who were at this secret/masonic meeting? We are entitled to know names. Perhaps Alastair will find out for us. How nice of that man Green to offer millions of pounds of our money as part of the deal. The usual arrogance shines through this stupid plan of his.
Gerrys son:
If you hear anything I’d appreciate a wee shout.
greenjedi
Ok we agree to differ buddy, in my opinion, they and we, are all supporters.
Let’s move on.
warszawabhoy on 3 July, 2012 at 12:03 said:
My take on the subject is as a wise man once said don’t interrupt your enemies when they’re making a mistake.\\————————————\\
Good point
James fans of other clubs don’t love us. They don’t love sevco. At the moment it is a coice between the integrity of the game or financial gain with 30 pieces of silver. If we get involved it will polarise the support of other clubs and the debate would be Celtic or Sevco. And that is the least of it. At this point it would gain little other than to soothe some pride and could potentially lose us much. I am not sure when Celtic should officially comment , soon yes , but after the SFl and SPL has condemned sevco to div three, if they can field a team. Hail Hail. Another split down the middle debate here on CQN
The Kano Foundation T-in-the-Park Raffle
The name drawn out for the tickets is marcthespark from the huddle board.
Congratulations and i hope you enjoy it.
Sanna
Henriks Sombrero, 10:22
Sorry, just saw your post.
Blog should be up very soon
Good to see Charles (we will be in Europe soon) Green has not lost Hope !
Any news on that CVA (it’s in the bag) agreement ?
RobinBhoy on 3 July, 2012 at 12:00
There will be public disorder on here if you keep advocating favours for Sevco.
They can apply to be an associate member of the SFL … then after 3 years and if they have been good boys they can make the application to become a full member.
Please stop espousing this utter nonsense and trying to bend the rules it is very unbecoming of a Celtic man .. why should other clubs already in the waiting queue be trampled upon ????
Hail Hail
Alas.
Gone are the days of the Double Nugget, Candy Balls (which were not round!) Flying Saucers and Chelsea Whoppers.
Atop it with all the van stuff ffs.
TBB
Yes, and ‘prime facie’ evidence helped give rise to the sea of Rangers(IA) antagonism, which fortunately Celtic were clever enough to stay out of.
meant to say..”Stop it with all the van stuff ffs”
warszawabhoy:
This is NOT about “interrupting your enemy” anymore. The mistakes have been made and the rent is coming due in spades.
We have been told, on this website, that Celtic have been excluded from the discussions over the creation of the new league setup. This is not quite public information. The SFL clubs know we are on the key boards and they believe – they rightly believe – that those boards have conspired to put together a document which seeks to threaten them into accepting NewCo in SLF 1.
Our moral standing has been compromised, and we say nothing?
Raith Rovers chairman is reported to have called the game in this country “corrupt” and this morning who can argue with him? It is as thoroughly corrupt as it has ever been. And we say nothing.
Charles Green is reputedly doing the rounds of other club chairmen offering bribes with OUR cash … and we say nothing.
The SFL clubs are being cowed by talk of SPL 2. We say nothing.
The SFA, SFL and SPL upper echelons are engaged in a conspiracy to violate every regulation under the sun … and we say nothing.
NewCo’s action in going to the civil court placed our club in jeopardy. They were never punished for it and will not be punished for it. We say nothing.
When do we come out from under the bed? There are issues here bigger than the collapsing facade at Ibrox. The soul of the sport is at stake in Scotland.
Our silence is appalling.
We have came a long way from the times when a half-bottle & two screwtaps, behind the goal at the Railway End, was a display of affluence.
Robinbhoy
Its just as well Martin Luther King didn’t have that attitude.
I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.
Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.
But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we’ve come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.
In a sense we’ve come to our nation’s capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the “unalienable Rights” of “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked “insufficient funds.”
But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we’ve come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.
We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God’s children.
It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro’s legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.
But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.
The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.
We cannot walk alone.
And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.
We cannot turn back.
There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, “When will you be satisfied?” We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro’s basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: “For Whites Only.” We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until “justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream.”¹
I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest — quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.
Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.
And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.”
I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.
I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of “interposition” and “nullification” — one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.
I have a dream today!
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; “and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.”2
This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with.
With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.
And this will be the day — this will be the day when all of God’s children will be able to sing with new meaning:
My country ’tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim’s pride,
From every mountainside, let freedom ring!
And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.
And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.
Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.
Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.
Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.
Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.
But not only that:
Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.
Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.
Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.
From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:
Free at last! Free at last!
Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!3
Charlie said that he would take the punishment that was handed down to them, would that be as opposed to not taking it
That Charlie really is my darling
Too late Charles.
why do the DR/SUN report that cee lo is willing to accept a reduction in influence and income on behalf of the’OF’?
cee lo doesn’t own a football club, it’s not even clear that he owns the ground at which a now defunct football club used to play.
Cee lo’s purchase of the assets of the former club are conditional on a new football club being allowed to play in the same competitions that the former club used to play in.
Given that it now looks very unlikely that there will be a new club associated with cee lo playing in any competition next season, would it surprise anyone if he walks away today or tomorrow?
Cee lo hasn’t actually paid for the assets yet, Duff & Phelps are still on the plot, CW is hanging about like the smell of sh1te in a pig-sty, 1000 (give or take) suckers are going to be looking for a refund, at least one police investigation is underway, former players and agents will soon be hearing from Hector, a liquidator is about to start ripping up the patio. Welcome to the Hunmishambles!
Kitalba ,
will do
GS
James
Until the SFA actually do something our silence is appropriate. All we have had so far is an exposure of the protection racket and a lot of tub thumping and cage rattling. Celtic answer to UEFA … until the SFA prove that they themselves are unfit for purpose Celtic should wait.
There is imho no chance that the SFA/SPL/SFL will be allowed to defy the majority of football fans without UEFA stepping.
I dont think we will have much longer to wait.
Hail Hail
I miss the Duffer and Dufferer routine. Bring ’em back, I say!
A fair number of contributors to this blog put most of the so called journalists we have in this country to shame.
I cite Traynor’s most recent musings in comparison to what The Battered Bunnett recently wrote as an example.
Not even near the same quality of reason, logic and structure Jim – try harder.
stepping in
Big Swee walks on with Neil Lennon on 3 July, 2012 at 10:45
http://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/longmorn-16-year-old-whisky/
May I suggest that you give this a go. If you don’t like it you may put me into administration
brimmer
‘Neil Doncaster to start the presentation to the SPL’
Good News CSC
Kilbowie Kelt on 3 July, 2012 at 11:47 said:
Terrymac on 3 July, 2012 at 11:27 said————————–
Terry, Are you sure you are an aboriginal Bankie ?
Where did you acquire such a cultivated palate ?
5 bottles at £12 each is much closer to the heart of the world’s shipbuilding capital
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I never actually go out and buy the stuff KK!
The ‘cultivated palate’ was once thrust upon me in the form of a gift of the said Glenrothes. Shortly thereafter, I advised all and sundry to forget shirts, socks and handkies for birthdays etc and to present me with more of this glorious amber nectar instead!
Hail! Hail!
Terrymac
It may be too late for his season but I would love for all of the teams to vote a no confidence in the SFA, overturn them and introduce a new setup. It would be Craig Whytes/ Murray’s greatest legacy (apart from the Oldco’s downfall).
James
Now’s not the time to leave the handle in a hurry. There’s a game in play. Let’s see how it finishes.
“Celtic answer to UEFA … until the SFA prove that they themselves are unfit for purpose Celtic should wait.”
And the SFA haven’t proved that to your satisfaction already?????
“There is imho no chance that the SFA/SPL/SFL will be allowed to defy the majority of football fans without UEFA stepping.”
I’ll accept that when you show me the UEFA regulation that says they have to intervene because fans aren’t happy.
Let me say what I’ve said a million times. If the SPL/SFA/SFL can come up with a solution that gets the backing of the clubs … UEFA will NOT move an inch. UEFA will leave this to the domestic association to sort out.
Be under no illusions about their involvement. It will not happen barring one of the member clubs taking a case to them. And if the other member clubs have voted for something, that’s all she wrote.
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam) on 3 July, 2012 at 11:36 said:
A better public apology would be Seppuku (切腹, “stomach-cutting”) is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was originally reserved only for samurai. Part of the samurai bushido honor code, seppuku was either used voluntarily by samurai to die with honor rather than fall into the hands of their enemies (and likely suffer torture), or as a form of capital punishment for samurai who had committed serious offenses, or performed for other reasons that had brought shame to them. They often committed seppuku when in danger of being killed by the enemy, or even sometimes it was voluntary as they thought it was honourable. The ceremonial disembowelment, which is usually part of a more elaborate ritual and performed in front of spectators, consists of plunging a short blade, traditionally a tantō, into the abdomen and moving the blade from left to right in a slicing motion. Like those Japanese businessmen who all committed ritual Seppuku when the bubble burst twenty years ago in order to remain true to the dictates of the nations shame culture.
It would be bizarre to see FPLG, The Cardigan, Baldy Bain, Hateley, Jabba etc all gathering in the Ibrokes centre circle waiting in line to fall on their ritual swords…FPLG would probably immolate himself with a dessert spoon and the wound would be so shallow an obese elastoplast would have to be applied to his eminently rotund stomach pouch…I don’t think any of them would have the sense of honour or shame to go that far…Jabba’s idea of the Seppuku sacrifice would be to publicly declare he was only having the three slices of banoffee pie in the Ibrox canteen instead of the obligatory five.
new article posted.
If there is not a saying “If you do not value/love yourself enough, then how can anyone else/” then there is now.
This can apply to Scottish Football and those who run it. The game brings itself down because it does not value itself. For a nation who produced a list of footballers who could have played alongside Iniesta, Xavi and Alonso and look comfortable, for a nation that scored more goals against the team with those guys in it than any other nation in the last 18 months, it is clear we do not value ourselves. We think we are praire chickens * and Sky are one of the current mother hens telling us that we are.
I calculated a couple of years back that Sky take £109M from subscribers in Scotand. I have seen two other estimates in the past two days that are £19M short of that and the other way higher. The point is Sky earn a significant amount of money from Scottish subscribers and we should know how much and, if we truly value ourselves, demand a contract that reflects what Sky earn from their Scottish subscriber base.
With BT Vision entering the Sky market there is now a competitor to broadcast our game and if BT have any acumen they have the perfect opportunity to present themselves as supporters of a game in need of help and ready to value that potential customer base.
So rather than focus on the potential loss because no one likes us, why not look at alternatives because we value ourselves? We have every right to do so, our ethics are screaming that message to the world and to ourselves.
UEFA have it in their Vision Europe mission statement an aim of assisting associations who need help and spend revenue to help the solidarity of the game . Why are they not being approached for help? £16M is peanuts to them.
Are the SFA/SPL a reflection of a dysfunctional mindset that not only cannot admit it needs help but actually seeks refuge in the “no one likes us ” mentality that makes a solution that truly values our game impossible because they fear the unknown of being valued?
Jabba and co too think they are prairie chickens, and act like the mother hen. Charles Greene is another, read The Paririe Chicken story and his latest statement..
This is an opportunity for Scottish football to stop grubbing around for worms on the prairie floor and take wings and fly. It is not the men in charge that is the problem, it is the thinking that permeates our game.
Time to stop grubbing and holding on to the ground, time to change our minds, time to fly.
The Prairie Chicken Story.
There once was an Apache brave that was walking down the trail when he discovered an eagle’s egg had fallen out of it’s nest. He looked up and saw that the nest was too high for him to return the egg. So he placed the egg in a nearby prairie chicken nest.
When the egg hatched, the little eagle thought he was a prairie chicken. Prairie chickens stay on the ground and eat only worms and grubs. So, as the eagle grew, he ate nothing but worms and grubs and walked around with the other prairie chickens.
One day, he looked up in the sky and saw some eagles soaring high above. He asked one of the prairie chickens, “How can they fly up there while we are down here eating worms and grubs?”
The prairie chicken answered, “They are the eagles, they can do that but we must stay down here. We are prairie chickens and that is what we do.”
So, the eagle spent the rest of his life flying very little and eating worms and grubs just because he was told that was all he could do.
The msm and every hun lover out there cannot sleep, waiting on Celtic FC’s statement, so they can twist and misquote and turn the tables on us.
Chic Green is a busted flush just like the imaginary football team he is running.
Oh, and I hope the helicopter company got paid up front!