News that Dundee United will vote against allocating a place in next season’s SPL to Sevco confirms what we suggested yesterday, that sentiment has swung against the notion. Motherwell’s innovative idea of allowing fans (who have already expressed overwhelming opposition to the idea) a vote is further evidence that even hard-pressed clubs are prepared to make financially difficult decisions. Suggestions that the Motherwell board should grow a pair and take responsibility themselves have some merit.
Stewart Milne has denied BBC reports that Aberdeen have decided to vote against but I expect this is a matter of due process more than any genuine indecision.
There was a feeling this morning that matters could be brought to a head sooner than 4 July if enough clubs publicly declared against Sevco. This would suit Charles Green’s company as they would be able to prepare offers to Rangers players (who they are able to sign) knowing where they are likely to end up. If they are forced to wait until 4 July, Sevco will not know what squad requirements they will need for next season before making a decision on what Rangers players to offer employment to.
More than SPL football, Sevco need clarity. A rush to declare against them might seem harsh but it would be enormously beneficial rather than being forced to wait a further 12 days.
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kitalba on 22 June, 2012 at 11:57 said:
ArranmoreBhoyLXV11
I think the MSM have backed the wrong horse, they never considered that the vast majority of Scottish folk are honest and decent.
A perfect statement sir.
Had a wee chuckle today when i heard the flag the the Irish fans had at the Euros *Angela Merkel thinks we’re workin*sold at auction for 15 thousand Euros money going to charity. Well done those men.
If anyone has some free time and nothing better to do and wants to hear nonsense of Goebbels like proportions go to the Record’s website and listen to Keevins and two other muppets talk about the current situations.
Not that you want to but in case you do.
dirtymac on 22 June, 2012 at 13:10 said
Thanks for posting that, good summary of whats been happening for those of us who have not been keeping up
HH
gsu
gerryguk7 on 22 June, 2012 at 13:02 said:
I well appreciate the intricacies of the issues, but these will not register with many, even fellow Celtic supporters whose main focus is watching Celtic whatever the circumstances.
This is the audience of public opinion, the same opinion that got us so far and there will be no dsitinction made where they get their info in the msm and so no discernment.
It is as well to be prepared to accept that whilst this particular river is flowing all by itself it may find a course not to our liking.Abstract concepts like mercy, love forgiveness etc always ask us to go beyond self.
As regards payments to others they either accept these as a condition of entry or they play no football. The one to pay small creditors would be good PR on their part to accept and repaying the money owed to football would also be a condition of not starting at the very bottom.
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 22 June, 2012 at 12:32 said:
I concur with your views on the league reforms and the certainty of the punishments you have listed against the Shame.
I believe that we need to follow the mantra of “sporting integrity” wherever it takes us, as my take on it , despite the many failings of our various football bodies / individual administrators (CO excepted), they are attempting to manage the current situation with an imperfect set of rules. The rules are designed to support sporting integrity, so where does that leave the Shame?
They must be thrown out the SPL , no question of that on any level it is what they deserve.
Where do they end up?
Why should the SFL take them on board?
Paul McC noted this morning that written into the SFL rules is that each team can only register 22 over 21 players (hey, the Shame may have less than that in a few weeks, but thiat was news to me), so should this rule (designed for a level playing field) be broken for the Shame?
There are 2 football investigations still open on the Shame, either of which could expel them. I believe any team purporting to be “The Rangers”, playing at “Ipox” with the same fans and club crest is fair game for this punishment , irrespective of its liquidated, just about to be liquidated status. Why should the SFL take on board a club who may be thrown out of professional football altogether?
If we forget the money / commercial interest and retain sporting integrity as the watch word then the SFL have no option but to reject the Shame’s application……..
I see the end-game here as the Shame never ever playing a professional football game ever again ………. indeed, if the rules allowed I suspect that the SFA would order the permanent closure of “Ipox” for football matches once all the FTT sheningans come out.
Who is trying to save the Shame?
You can interpret, Duff £ Phelps, & Green’s behaviour in a number of different ways but for me it boils down to possibly three options:
– utter incompetence from the start
– bullying tactics assuming a supine bunch of administrators & clubs
– conspiracy to shut the club down , lock stock & barrel
Incompetence and the bullying goes together , however who (apart from the Shame’s supporters) have lost any really big cash (HMRC excepted) – darn too many exceptions – anyway, seems to me that Ticketus have a pile of cash riding on this , what are they doing a mime act!……… but all the actions from D£D, Green seem to be the wrong actions and far too late , it is if they are pleading for survival but everything they do has the opposite effect! Strange.
My take is that these chancers are running the Shame into the ground and that there is no real asset purchase plan , this will end up with Ipox being a car park or a Premier Inn ……..the cliub and the ground will be buried with as many secrets as they can hide.
…. a new reality for Scottish football beckons and maybe BDO will let us all know who is behind the Ticketus deal , hey you can’t dupe a duper!
Cheerscfc
philvisreturns on 22 June, 2012 at 13:15 said:
Thank you sir. Yes I well recal outrunning the local dinosaur as we chirped merrily away.
With the seemingly impending failure of Green & Co to form a football team, is it time to recognise that one of the songs that used to be sung at Ibrox does have a lot of truth to it
“Oh, there’s not a team like the Glasgow Rangers. No, not one and there never will be one”
Ever again
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy on 22 June, 2012 at 12:54 said:
Yes Darryl is ugly but not all critical masses need be.They can be beautiful in their detonation.
After reading the James Forrest article does this mean ‘Nina and the Nuetrons’ is now on the FF banned list?
Kitalba – you are spot on. They financial damage they have foisted upon our game is easily quantifiable, the sporting damage rooted in the spending where people stopped developing Scottish talent is still being felt.
A blight….
Fortunes Favour Mibbes on 22 June, 2012 at 13:17 said:
It was a moron analogy
Thanks for the kind words guys …
Looking on the internet, reading the comments of fans of the former club Rangers, it really is spectacularly evident that their supporters believe the worst is over. The club has suffered some indignity, some shame, they have had some sleepless nights, some despair, some anger has exploded … but essentially, they believe that with the club formally NewCo-ing that they have gotten past the worst.
They have no comprehension of the devastation these events are about to unleash on their “once proud” football club. As I have said, the chain reaction is complete. The meltdown is now underway. But the meltdown is not the disaster in itself … the consequences of the meltdown are where the pain is.
I am astounded at how few of them realise how bad those consequences will be. They thought the last transfer window, where they were linked with such giants of the game as Jody Morris and Francisco Sandaza was embarrassing … those players are far beyond what they will be able to afford now.
No banking facilities. Sponsorship deals which need renegotiating, all of them certain to be at lower rates. SPL football gone for at least a year, probably three. Europe gone, as some have recognised, for four years. The certainty of civil war over ownership of the club. The massive downgrading of the playing staff, to a level hitherto thought impossible ….
… and rumours, whispers in the wings, of worse, far worse, to come in financial terms. Because you can run out on debts, but you still have to meet basic requirements, and many of them can’t be escaped so easily ….
Today a couple of bidders have pulled out citing their belief it will take £30 million plus to put Rangers on an even keel. What could make them say that? We know it’s not a tax bill or a commercial debt ….
… what could they possibly mean? Allow me to repost another analogy ….
Imagine you had your eye on a car, for years, but it was always totally out of your reach. Imagine pining for it, wanting it, but never being able to afford it.
One day you are walking by the showroom and you see a sign that you misread at first as saying 20% off. You go inside for a wee look, not because you can actually afford this, but because the dream is a wee bit nearer being real.
You go inside and you find the car is not being sold for 20% off, as you had originally read, but for 1/20th the value you had always thought the car was worth …..
You stand looking at it in awe. Dare you believe it? This car is now within your price range. Sort of. You would have to finance your balls for it, but it could, conceivably, be done … and Hell, 1/20th the price? God damn … if you could sell it for, say, even 10% of what it was worth … you’d double your dough.
So you talk to the salesman, who tells you he can see you’re taken with the vehicle. He gives you the keys, offers you a testdrive. You take it around the block. Boy, she runs like a dream.
You drive back in. “One question,” you say. “Why the Hell is this beauty so goddamned cheap?”
“Aaaah,” he says, and takes you over to the book keeping department, who pull out the ownership slips, and the financials. The guy who previously owned this car is in ridiculous hock, up to his balls in fact. The sale is a no brainer; it had to be done. You look through these files and you begin to understand … you are getting this car at liquidation prices!
One man’s misfortune and all that ….
You go home, you sweat it out, you obsess about how to get the money. You finally scrape it together, andy you go and you slam it down just as the previous owner’s brother arrives on the scene, trying to do his own grubby deal ….
You take the car home. You look at it with wonderment. You remind yourself that, although expensive, you can sell it for a tidy profit if needs be, if you can’t keep up the payments.
Two days in, you are driving along the road and a door falls off. You are shocked, and dismayed, but you got the car cheap, and there is enough in the budget to fix a door ….
You get the door fixed, although it’s not as cheap as you had hoped it would be …. but there you have it. Your car is as good as new, and it still cost you much less than you might have been expected to pay for it …..
A week later, the other door falls off. You are horrified, but you get it fixed, scraping up the cash by selling something. You have started to worry every time you get behind the wheel, though, which is not exactly a bad idea as a month after you bought it, whilst you are idling along, the windows all fall into their fittings, shatter and the engine gives out ….
You furiously go back to the showroom, and demand a meeting with the smooth salesman who sold you the car. But he’s gone, promoted, having skinned a fair few folk during this “liquidation” business, and you realise you should have asked to see ALL the documents and not just the ones relating to the previous owner and his financial mishaps ….
So you ask for the log-book, the one you never got to see. In the meantime, the guy who you are talking to now asks you a very simple, yet slightly shocking, question:
“If this guy needed the money so bad, to pay off his creditors, do you REALLY think he’d have sold this car for 1/20th its worth? It doesn’t WORK that way … this car was given the once over by professionals, and they determined the sales price …”
You shake your head and open the log book.
And what you find is …. devastating.
You find cracks in the engine. You find holes in the fuel system. You find rust which has been painted over. You find that the car you thought was one car is actually of the welded bits of three or four vehicles, and that the entire thing is falling apart ….
“But this can’t be right …” you say … “This is a con job ….”
“Not really,” says this honest man, who would have told you all this had he been the guy you dealt with, and not some fly by night chancer, put in place by the previous owner …. “This is actually a perfectly good car … it just needs some work … after all, what you’re REALLY buying is the name, right?”
“The name?” you say, glumly.
“The name.”
“And how much work are we talking?” you ask.
“You mean how much will it cost, right?” he says.
You nod, your tongue frozen to the top of your mouth, which has gone dryer than a Rangers fan’s boot after an Orange Walk.
“Let’s see …” he says, and goes through the figures.
Long before he reaches the end you realise two things; you’re still getting this vehicle cheaper than if you’d bought it brand new, that’s because it was a liquidation sale … but a long way before you hit the real price tag, and swallow what it’s going to cost you, you, and the car, will be a financial write off …. and you might have to start liquidation proceedings of your own ….
Now, you think, if only there was a sap you could flog this money pitt to …
…. and then you remember the brother ….
But whichever sap owns this white elephant, they better have what David Murray once said was required of Fergus McCann, in the arrogant way of a man not talking about spending his own cash ….
Very Deep Pockets.
For those hoping Rangers do not get accepted, I for one will miss the regular matches doon the pub. At the same time though I cannot help but have a little chuckle to myself. Either or it makes for interesting times.
let them sweat ! delay the 4th of july vote ! drive them into administration then vote them out
Newco cannot start anywhere higher than the bottom of div 3 otherwise livingston fc will start legal proceedings against the sfa.
They have already signalled their intention to do so! A precedent has been set.
JORG ALBERTZ has blasted back at those who claim Rangers should be stripped of the titles they won during the EBT years.
The SPL this week confirmed that, after an investigation by their lawyers, the crisis-torn Ibrox club have a case to answer into alleged ‘out-of- contract payments’ to players dating back to 1999.
But Albertz believes that those on the park won the silverware fairly and squarely – and has claimed that players who were in the controversial EBT scheme would not have believed they may have been breaching any SPL registration regulations.
GIRUY
Ya bankrupt jakey!!
Matthew Anderson-Their games will be live on BBC Alba mate :}
Could it be that the board are making no comment on the demise of RFC(ia) is that, given that they have access to the best legal/accountancy advice, the green parade will not be around on 4 July. There is no point in commenting on something which has no bearing on our future.
On the other hand an excellent response to Sniveller!
ASonOfDan on 22 June, 2012 at 13:35 said:
was Albertz on the EBT list?
Matthew Anderson
Pub?
I have been charged for a season ticket that will not have any rangers games at £42.00 a pop. I am not going to greet about it.
Margaret McGill
They ran from 2000 to 2010, so I would say yes. Maybe he just didn’t notice all those Thousands of pounds appearing from an offshore account.
EKBhoy on 22 June, 2012 at 13:26 said
gerryguk7 on 22 June, 2012 at 13:02 said: an add on)
There are many things I dislike about the organisation/entity that was Rangers, the same things as every other Celtic supporter. Indeed what there is to dislike has been added to by their response to their problems and if possible mercy has definitely been strained – to breaking point.
But the one thing I dislike about them more than anything is that they can, if I am not aware of it, bring out the worst in me. So much so that if I were a stranger observing myself and the worst of Rangers supporters (huns) having an argument, that stranger would be unable to tell which one was the hun.
Having gone there in the past I decided that is not who I am, so out of love and respect for myself I watch what I’m doing and thinking when it comes to them, least I become them.
Mcmoist in arcade with his solicitor from PRG Royal Cres
think he may have been talking tupe although smudged wasn’t there
@ASonOfDan. Congratulations., took it on the chin ey?
@!!Bada Bing!! Hee hee hee :-)
Snake Plissken on 22 June, 2012 at 13:20 said:
I think i’ll scoop my eyes out with a rusty spoon instead!
THE FLAG MONEY WAS OVER 20 000 GOING TO WEE OSCAR
James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 22 June, 2012 at 12:38 said:
There is a fine line, subtle points, when metaphor falls into the literal, and falls into the danger of becoming misleading. Indeed true genius is the very tacit art of distinguishing between the two and having the ability to dance upon the razor of that fine line, with such a lightness of touch, so that no cut is ever suffered. Although your metaphor is very good I do think it is more than a touch hyperbolic, and a little overly dramatic, to the extent that it blinds you with its light.
I have a cheek to talk right enough, considering I’m probably the most hyperbolic poster on CQN. But still if I’m trying to make a truly serious point I inhibit myself from laying it on a bit thick.
The problem with the analogy is that it’s a purely physical force that doesn’t really take into consideration human experience. “Everything that was to happen has already happened” is of course nonsensical in relation to the situation. It also confuses cause and effect in terms of how it operates in a quantum realm. In the realm of relativity effect does not precede cause, as it can in theory in the sub-atomic level. Human life does not work like that. Many things have still to happen, are still in flux, and so are not entirely determined by earlier events; yes they influence the ultimate event, but there are so many varying factors constantly influencing the events at Ibrox that no one can know for certain what the ultimate outcome will be for sure. We have to avoid false certainty at all costs. A vast nuclear explosion conjures up images of massive physical devastation, as though Ibrox is completely destroyed…but that isn’t going to happen. I just can’t see that somehow. Rangers have suffered some serious damage and continue to do so each new day of this fiasco. Even if they are out of football for a year, or even two, the assets will still exist ( Ibrox for example is only of value to a football team) and the fan base will still be there ( which in a sense is the “soul” of a club, a demonic soul it may be). An exploitable market like the hordes is too much of a profitable resource to go untapped by someone. I would think it is very unlikely that the Orc’s will not re-establish themselves at some point. I hope I am very very wrong of course.
Please don’t be offended by my post. I think you are one of the best posters on the site. I just thought the metaphor was a little misleading, even if I got the gist of what you were trying to say. I’ve tried to be as diplomatic as possible. I know how easy it is to offend on a blog, even when you have no intention of doing so.
PS
It will still think it was a brilliant post in the power of it’s imagination.
mic1888
That won’t help you, you’ll still be able to hear it.
hee hee
ASonOfDan – But Albertz believes that those on the park won the silverware fairly and squarely – and has claimed that players who were in the controversial EBT scheme would not have believed they may have been breaching any SPL registration regulations.
Had Rangers played fairly and squarely, many of those title winning players wouldn’t have been on the park, as the huns couldn’t afford them.
Also, what the players knew or didn’t know re: Rangers fulfilling their obligation to register all player payments with the football authorities is irrelevant.
It’s like Doctor Evil’s henchmen “blasting” SIS for sending Austin Powers after their employer, because they thought the evil secret underground lair they were working in was a Nandos. (thumbsup)
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 22 June, 2012 at 13:41 said:
I take your point, whilst my prose may be a shade colourful (and poor!), if you follow the logic, the intention of the rules (as they should be applied on the grounds of sporting integrity) will result in a club like the Shame being kicked out of football.
Dealinginfactscfc
Oh shower of Scotland
We’ll never see your likes again
You’ve withered and died now
But, still, you’re Scotland’s shame
Happy birthday Auldheid
traditionalist
glan daly said he jumpded the fence and after about 30mins security came over
he said main gates would be opened and the could use them whenever they wanted to leave, no problems really
Auld Neil Lennon heid
Are you not confusing punishment with correction?
Removing trophies won while cheating is not a punishment, it is a correction.
Rangers spent more money than they could afford and will now be wound up as they cannot pay it back. This is not a punishment. The new club set to play out of Ibrox should be treated similarly to any other new football club. This is not a punishment either.
Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. C’mon Wee Oscar. on 22 June, 2012 at 12:27 said:
Danny, thank you so much for the support! Also everyone else who has helped out and donated on the appeal page the response has been amazing so far!
Its been a crazy day. The Angela Merkel flag was auctioned on 2fm today for 15,800 EURO!!! Soon after that Copperface Jacks threw in another 5,000 EURO, and there is talk of more donations.
It was bought by Spanish based R&D firm Iris R&D. They want to do a lot of PR stuff with it in Spain. Rest assured you havent heard the end of this flag!
Also the merkel guys have apparently had a call from the German Ambassador to congratulate them and they’ve been invited to the embassy!!!!
Crazy, crazy publicity. All great for wee Oscar of course!!!!
I cant keep up with all the calls and tweets etc so im taking the rest of the day off work. Keep an eye for updates on BBC news channel! Also i’ll be on BBC radio ulster at around 5.50pm.
Hail Hail!!!!
Knoxy
I’m bored of Hun nonsense .
Is there anybody who isn’t? Even Huns themselves must just want to ‘move on’….?
Let’s get rid, reform Scottish Football and start looking forward…
CultsBhoy loves being 1st forever & ever on 22 June, 2012 at 13:53 said:
“Let’s get rid, reform Scottish Football and start looking forward… ”
A reformation? In Scotland? Careful now. You know what happened the last time.
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