SFA and Sevco agree on embargo


This evening we received clarity on two items first reported here and on several other locations months ago.  Sevco have accepted the 12 month player registration embargo handed down by Lord Carloway’s Appellate Tribunal as a condition of their application for membership of the SFA, while Fifa have granted four former Rangers players permission to sign for new clubs.

The SFA, under president Campbell Ogilvie, took every step possible to alert Sevco that if they did not accept the transfer embargo a more severe penalty would be imposed on Rangers, whose licence they are trying to acquire.  Hopes of “elimination” from the Scottish Cup as an alternative punishment were based on false logic, and were also just silly.

Sevco disputed the embargo, hoping the SFA would offer to set it aside, as it tried to set-aside so many other rules to accommodate them in recent weeks, however, the best the new company could achieve was an accommodation to allow them to stock up on players over the next five weeks in order to off-set the effects of so many players ‘walking away’.

There is a chance this decision will save Sevco a second season in the SFL Third Division but there remains many hurdles for the new club to achieve before they start and complete a football season.

No mention yet of what the SFA and SPL plan to do with the plethora of other disciplinary matters due against Rangers, or how they proposed to prevent their own independent judicial process from reaching an inconvenient verdict.

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  1. Foxy bhoy viva whit difference amigo?



    craic on with some tunes………



    Youre next to go …. I already asked you but you ignored that.



    Kitalba asked you some questions……… do you remember?



    the questions are out there and its reasonable to wonder why you dont answer.



    do you live in Scotland



    are you a season ticket holer




  2. Vmhan on 21 July, 2012 at 02:31



    Nasty stuff. But here you go.



    Vive la difference, in this context, is all about celebrating and expressing the fact that many of us in the Celtic family share a common goal but have very different views about how we get there in the end.



    I dont bow to any form of intimidation, not my style mo chara.



    Now listen up, and give that mouth a rest why dont ye :-)







  3. Goodnight my celtic Friends,



    I am well drunk Celts, my thoughts are very definately with St Stivs in Port Glasgow



    I would hope when I lie down that st stivs says remembers me…… TAL

  4. Vmhan on 21 July, 2012 at 02:50



    great craic mo chara…..even better were the tunes :-)

  5. Foxy im sure youre a good auld Celtic bhoy.



    Do you have a ST? ok , if you dont want to answer thats makes you someone who has consistently ignored the question.



    ps for other Celts…..


    this question has been going on since last light……



    Foxy go on, please answer the 2 questions?????




  6. Vmhan on 21 July, 2012 at 03:00



    I’ll not have you misrepresenting the facts mo chara



    The debate last night centred around supporter versus fan and, for those that could afford it, how could the club generate more revenue at a time of great need.



    Ideas were abound, such as buying a season ticket (even if you couldnt attend games) or donating to the worthy Celtic charity:






    My circumstances, and what I have/ continue to invest in Celtic is none of your business and more importantly irrelevant to the debate.

  7. Thindimebhoy on

    Long live the people the pople are dead



    And of course as we all know now



    A well invested fiver is worth 2 in the bush against any borrowed tenner with no tax

  8. Thindimebhoy on 21 July, 2012 at 03:26 said:



    A well invested fiver is worth 2 in the bush against any borrowed tenner with no tax





    Brilliant mo chara

  9. When I was young I thought about going to uni and studying Psychology. I found this article interesting.



    Copied and pasted in part only.





    WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD “sociopath” most people think of serial killers. But although many serial killers are sociopaths, there are far more sociopaths leading ordinary lives. Chances are you know a sociopath. I say “ordinary lives,” but what they do is far from ordinary. Sociopaths are people without a conscience. They don’t have the normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don’t feel affection. They don’t care about others. But most of them are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic feelings of affection and empathy remarkably well.



    Most people with a conscience find it very difficult to even imagine what it would be like to be without one. Combine this with a sociopath’s efforts to blend in, and the result is that most sociopaths go undetected.



    Because they go undetected, they wreak havoc on their family, on people they work with, and on anyone who tries to be their friend. A sociopath deceives, takes what he (or she) wants, and hurts people without any remorse. Sociopaths don’t feel guilty. They don’t feel sorry for what they’ve done. They go through life taking what they want and giving nothing back. They manipulate and deceive and convincingly lie without the slightest second thought. They leave a path of confusion and upset in their wake.



    Who are these people? Why are they the way they are? Apparently it has little to do with upbringing. Many studies have been done trying to find out what kind of childhood leads to sociopathy. So far, nothing looks likely. They could be from any kind of family. It is partly genetic, and partly mystery.



    But researchers have found that the brains of sociopaths function differently than normal brains. And their brains function in a way that makes their emotional life unredeemably shallow. And yet they are capable of mimicking emotions like professional actors.



    Sociopaths and psychopaths are the same thing. The original name for this disorder was “psychopath” but the general public and media confused it with “psycho” and “psychotic” so in the 1930s the name was changed to sociopath. Recently the media again caused a misperception that sociopaths were always serial killers, so now many call the condition “antisocial personality disorder (ASPD).”



    But some experts think ASPD includes many things like narcissism, paranoia, etc., including sociopathy. And others think ASPD is the same thing as sociopathy, but the diagnostic criteria used to describe and diagnose ASPD is different than sociopathy, so for the purposes of this article, we’ll stay with the term “sociopathy.”



    Sociopaths don’t have normal affection with other people. They don’t feel attached to others. They don’t feel love. And that is why they don’t have a conscience. If you harmed someone, even someone you didn’t know, you would feel guilt and remorse. Why? Because you have a natural affinity for other human beings. You know how it feels to suffer, to fear, to feel anguish. You naturally care about others.



    If you hurt someone you love, the guilt and remorse would be even worse because of your affection for him or her. Take that attachment and affection away and you take away remorse, guilt, and any kind of normal feelings of fairness. That’s a sociopath.








    Some researchers say about one percent of the general population are sociopaths. Others put the figure at three or four percent. The reason the estimates vary is first of all, not everyone has been tested, of course, but also because sociopathy is a sliding scale. A person can be very sociopathic or only slightly, and anywhere in between. It’s a continuum. So how sociopathic does someone have to be before you call him a sociopath? That’s a tough question and it’s why the estimates vary.



    But clearly sociopaths are fairly common and not easy to detect. Even when the evidence is staring you in the face, you may have difficulty admitting that someone you know, someone you trusted, even someone you love, is a sociopath. But the sooner you admit it, the faster your life can return to normal. Face the facts and you may save yourself a lot of suffering.



    Most of the information in this article (and more) can be found in two excellent books I strongly recommend: Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us, and The Sociopath Next Door.



    The first book is by Robert Hare, who has made his career out of studying sociopaths. He’s one of the leading, if not the leading expert on the subject. His insights and examples are compelling. But because Hare has done most of his research in prisons, sometimes his book seems a little removed from everyday reality. We don’t very often run into rapists and cold-blooded killers.



    The second book, by Martha Stout, brings it to the everyday level, describing the kinds of people we are likely to meet in ordinary life.








    The big question is, of course, how can you know whether someone is a sociopath or not? It’s a difficult question and even experts on the subject can be fooled. If you suspect that someone close to you is a sociopath, I suggest you read both of the books I mentioned, and also read the comments on the comments page, and think hard about it. Compare that person to the other people in your life, and ask yourself these questions:



    1. Do you often feel used by the person?



    2. Have you often felt that he (or she, because women can be sociopaths too) doesn’t care about you?



    3. Does he lie and deceive you?



    4. Does he tend to make contradictory statements?



    5. Does he tend to take from you and not give back much?



    6. Does he often appeal to pity? Does he seem to try to make you feel sorry for him?



    7. Does he try to make you feel guilty?



    8. Do you sometimes feel he is taking advantage of your good nature?



    9. Does he seem easily bored and need constant stimulation?



    10. Does he use a lot of flattery? Does he interact with you in a way that makes you feel flattered even if he says nothing overtly complimentary?



    11. Does he make you feel worried? Does he do it obviously or more cleverly and sneakily?



    12. Does he give you the impression you owe him?



    13. Does he chronically fail to take responsibility for harming others? Does he blame everyone and everything but himself?



    And does he do these things far more than the other people in your life? If you answered “yes” to many of these, you may be dealing with a sociopath. For sure you’re dealing with someone who isn’t good for you, whatever you want to call him.



    I like Martha Stout’s way of detecting sociopaths. She wrote: “If … you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with a sociopath.”








    This is an interesting question. Of course most of our purposes are strongly influenced by our connections and affections with others. Our relationships with others, and our love for them, give us most of the meaning and purpose in our lives. So if a sociopath doesn’t have these things, what is left? What kind of purposes do they have?



    The answer is chilling: They want to win. Take away love and relationships and all you have left is winning the game, whatever the game is. If they are in business, it’s becoming rich and defeating competitors. If it’s sibling rivalry, it’s defeating the sibling. If it’s a contest, the goal is to dominate. If a sociopath is the envious sort, winning could be simply making the other lose or fail or be frustrated or embarrassed.



    A sociopath’s goal is to win. And he (or she) is willing to do anything at all to win.



    Sociopaths don’t have as much to think about as normal people, so they can be very clever and conniving. Sociopaths aren’t busy being concerned with relationships or moral dilemmas or conflicting feelings, so they have much more time to think about clever ways to gain your trust and stab you in the back, and how do it without anyone knowing what’s happening.



    One of the questions in the list above was about boredom. This is a real problem for sociopaths and they seem fanatically driven to prevent boredom. The reason it looms so large for them (and seems so strange to us) is that our relationships with people occupy a good amount of our time and attention and interest us intensely. Take that away and all you have is “playing to win” which is rather shallow and empty in comparison. So boredom is a constant problem for sociopaths and they have an incessant urge to keep up a high level of stimulation. Even negative stimulation — drama, worry, upset, etc. — is more tolerable to a sociopath than boredom.



    And here I might mention that the research shows sociopaths don’t feel emotions the same way normal people do. For example, they don’t experience fear as unpleasant. This goes a long way to making their inexplicable behavior comprehensible. Some feelings that you and I might find intolerable might not bother a sociopath at all.

  10. Copy and paste from Scotzine:



    John Barnes sacked by Celtic for being black… excuses excuses



    Posted by Andy Muirhead



    With the recent goings on down in England with Liverpool striker Luis Suarez racially abusing Man United full back Patrice Evra and then the much publicised court case involving Chelsea captain John Terry who faced allegations of racially abusing QPR defender Anton Ferdinand. So on the back of these two high profile cases of racist abuse, former Premier League defender Clarke Carlisle explored how far football has progressed in tackling racist abuse throughout the country.



    While there has been and continues to be a huge amount of racist abuse up and down the country, but one ‘expert’ on the show poured scorn on the reason behind his sacking as a manager.



    Former Watford and Liverpool midfielder John Barnes has been racially abused throughout his career as a footballer, but what he stated later was not only baffling but also blatantly wrong.



    Barnes was appointed as Celtic head coach for season 1999-2000, working under the gaze of Kenny Dalglish who was Director of Football. It was an appointment which hit the headlines, but his tenure at Parkhead will always be remembered for the shock Scottish Cup defeat at the hand of Inverness Caley Thistle in February 2000, which coined the phrase “Super Caley go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious”.



    Barnes was subsequently sacked thereafter, with Dalglish taking over managerial duties until the end of the season.



    In all Barnes managed Celtic in 29 games between the 10th June 1999 and the 10th February 2000, winning 19, drawing twice and losing eight.



    Celtic confirmed that they had sacked Barnes following their shock exit to Caley Thistle, with immediate effect, along with assistants Eric Black and Terry McDermott.



    At the time secretary of the Association of Celtic Supporters Clubs Peter Rafferty said: “I can’t really feel that sorry for John Barnes. He had a fixed idea about team tactics and brought a lot of the problems on himself. It was common knowledge the players weren’t comfortable and the supporters were clearly unhappy. Celtic fans have been brought up on a diet of attacking football, glamorous football – but that’s not what we were getting.”



    Former director Brian Dempsey told BBC Scotland back in 2000: “Celtic is a difficult club for anyone to either play at or be involved with in management at any level. As Mr Barnes put it at his press conference, to ‘cut his teeth’ into management at Celtic was an almost impossible task from the beginning.”



    At no time did any member of the Celtic support, Celtic hierarchy or board state that the reason behind Barnes’ sacking was down to him being black. In fact the fans rep stated categorically that it was down to them not only losing games, but also the lack of attacking and glamorous football.



    Take for example, the tenure of Tony Mowbray. Deemed a worse Celtic manager than Barnes. He was sacked not because he was English, but because Celtic were poor under his guidance. They were also humiliated by St.Mirren which signalled the end of Mowbray’s time at Parkhead and started a new era under Neil Lennon. Yet Mowbray doesn’t bump his gums over his sacking because of him being English or some other ‘excuse’.



    Now before I have certain elements attacking me for my comments, I have to state that racism is abhorrent and should be driven out of society once and for all. However what is as equally disgraceful is the number of people using racism as a reason for their own failings, covering up their own mistakes and the real reasons behind being sacked.



    John Barnes said in an interview with the Guardian newspaper back in February 2008 that he was sacked because he was not Kenny Dalglish. No mention of it being because he was black.



    He said in that interview: “…. my whole philosophy about football was to worry about what happens on the pitch with the players. But increasingly these days you have to know more about the men you are working for. Your bosses impact on you far more than what is going on the field. If they don’t support you, you are in trouble. At Celtic they were not with me. They wanted Kenny Dalglish, they didn’t want me.”



    At no time during that interview or previous ones did he state that he was sacked by Celtic for being black, yet in 2012 this feeble and yes it is feeble excuse for him being sacked is being wheeled out by Barnes.



    Why? Only John Barnes knows.



    Of course he has faced racist abuse during his career in football, but his skin colour and heritage had nothing to do with his sacking at Celtic. It was merely down to results and the failure on his part as a manager. No matter what race, creed, colour or religion he was, Barnes would have been sacked either way for the same results, the same performances.



    How Celtic have not contacted the BBC as of yet, or even John Barnes’ representatives to take him to task over these unfounded allegations is beyond me, but it is certainly not doing him any favours.



    Since leaving his first job as manager, Barnes has went on to manage Jamaica in September 2008 until June 2009 when he jumped ship to take over the Tranmere Rovers job. During his time in Jamaica he managed 11 games, won 7 and drew 4.



    From June 2009 until October 2009, Barnes was at Prenton Park. In that stint he managed Rovers in 12 games, losing eight, drawing once and winning just three times.



    Since then he has failed to secure another manager’s job. Is that down to his colour? No. It is down to him being a rotten manager. Look at Roy Keane is the reason behind him being out of work down to him being Irish? Certainly not. Both were top footballers but both turned out to be poor managers and are better pundits than they will ever be managers.



    Barnes has been racially abused through his career, there is no denying that and he has every right to denounce those who have racially abused him over the years, but while there have been correct calls of racist abuse it seems that the sacking from Celtic has left a permanent chip on Barnes’ shoulder to this day.



    Do you think Kenny Dalglish – a Celtic and Liverpool legend – would have let his former team mate and colleague be racially abused without saying something? Especially 12 years after he was sacked as Celtic manager?



    Maybe John Barnes should be looking much closer to home on why he was sacked as manager of Celtic, rather than trying to cover up his failings as a manager by using the race card.

  11. kitalba on 21 July, 2012 at 03:41



    wasted. had only the kitchen sink not been so full.

  12. Postacard from Amsterdam



    Ronnie Cully Senior Sports Writer. The Glasgow Herald



    MARTIN O’NEILL’S Celtic side used the Amsterdam ArenA as a launch pad to Europe.



    Eleven years later, Neil Lennon hopes his team can retrace their steps to the Champions League.



    The 3-1 victory in the opening qualifier of 2001-02 was a seminal moment in the development of the team O’Neill had built with a view to re-establishing the Parkhead club on the European stage. At the heart of his side was Lennon, who made his European debut for the club against Ajax, who included a young Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Rafael van der Vaart in their ranks, along with Shota Arveladze and Cristian Chivu.



    Lennon admits they travelled to Amsterdam more in hope than expectation, but returned with an impressive lead borne of an even more impressive performance. The return leg exposed just how naive this group of players was as Lennon recalls they did not know whether to go for the kill, or play it safe. They lost 1-0 in Glasgow, but made it to the group stage for the first time, and Lennon sees a friendly against the same opponents as a staging post on their way back.



    He said: “It was a big step to get us into the Champions League. We didn’t know what we were going into. Ajax were a very good side, but we played brilliantly on the night and scored three really good goals.



    “We didn’t know whether to stick or twist in the second leg. It was a night full of real tension. Thankfully, we got through.”



    Like the team of 2001, this Celtic team carries an element of surprise, so little exposure have these players had in Europe’s elite competition.Lennon does not underestimate how useful that can be.



    “We probably caught them a bit cold,” he said.”They probably didn’t know much about us. We definitely surprised them on the counter attack and got two great goals early on, from Bobby [Petta] and Didier [Agathe], then Arveladze scored to put the tie in the balance.We had to withstand a fair bit of pressure but Chris [Sutton] scored a great goal to ease that a bit.



    “I can’t remember how we were feeling when we left. We were just delighted with the result but knew there was more to come.



    “The second leg taught us these games are far from over. It was really, really tense, particularly in the second half, when another goal would have evened the tie up.”



    The removal of Ajax by unseeded Celtic raised eyebrows across Europe. Within a couple of years, O’Neill’s side was contesting the UEFA Cup final in Seville. It is in the Champions League that reputations, and millions, are to be made, however, and Lennon wants his young team to benefit from competing at that level.



    “There’s a real incentive for them to get through and enjoy the competition,” he said. “There’s a sense of expectation and excitement going into the groups, something these guys have never had.



    “There’s no problem with the temperament of the guys here. They will be taking a step up in terms of the quality of opposition, but they’re a good bunch, technically. The Ajax game will be a great experience because it will be a good exercise in playing against a team who are very good at keeping the ball.”



    Should Celtic succeed in eliminating HJK Helsinki, Lennon acknowledges the hard work will only just have begun. However, he is reassured this group of players learned enough in last season’s Europa League to be ready.



    “It does give you a source of encouragement,” he said. “The overall performance in Udinese was very, very decent.



    “When we went into the Champions League for the first time, we didn’t know what to expect. It was all good and it enhanced you as a player. It made you realise where you were in the game and where you needed to go. That’s what I want for these players. I want them to sample it. But I can’t stress enough that I’m wary of these qualifiers because of when they are being played.”



    One of that group, James Forrest, could have been playing for Team GB against Brazil last night, but the 21 year-old midfielder insists he is happier preparing for the new season with his team-mates. An ankle injury sustained during the League Cup final in March killed off the issue of whether or not he would join the British team.



    He said: “I always wanted to play in the Champions League so it [playing in the Olympics] wasn’t really a hard decision. I was always going to stay with Celtic.



    “I was injured for the last two months of the season, and I feel stronger and fitter coming back to pre-season. Hopefully, that helps me over the course of the season.



    “If you want to get into the Champions League, you need to be able to play against sides like Ajax, so this will be a tough test for us.”



    Beram Kayal has been ruled out of tonight’s friendly after he damaged his left ankle in Tuesday’s game against Vfr Aalen.

  13. Imatim and so is Neil Lennon on

    2010 Never Again






    I think that article came very close to describing the hun mentality as I’m sure you know

  14. I used to read a lot about the subject and the more you read the more you can associate the symptoms with the (collective) hun mentality. Don’t forget though, you can easily apply the same criteria to ‘green huns’ too.



    Sometime CQN is like a box of chocolates, you open it up and there – although hidden under a cloak – the nuts just leap out at you.




  15. A wee bit dated but a nice wee read…



    Celtic under-15s face world’s elite in China



    By ANDREW SMITH The Scotsman


    Published on Saturday 21 July 2012 03:07



    CELTIC’S under-15s will prove in the coming week that Scottish footballers do still appear at World Cups. The youths will do so by taking part in the 20-team Nike Cup in Shanghai that goes under the name of the Manchester United Premier Cup.





    The global brand pull of the Old Trafford team accounts for them being joint-hosts with local club Shanghai FC, one of two Chinese sides competing in a worldwide event.



    It justifies that billing through featuring teams from no fewer than six continents, with such stellar names as Inter Milan, Boca Juniors, Santos and Atletico 
Madrid among the favourites, allied to strong representation from Asia – with teams from Japan, Korea, Thailand and China – as well as South and North Africa, Australia, North America and Europe.



    The finals are the pay-off resulting from 9,000 teams competing in 43 national qualifying tournaments. Celitc required to win the24-team British Nike Cup in April to book their place. It speaks volumes for the work being undertaken at their academy that to do so they had to overcome Newcastle United in the quarter-finals, Liverpool in the semi-finals and Chelsea in the final.



    The Celtic squad, under the charge of Michael O’Halloran, travelled to China last Tuesday. The draw takes place today, with the 20 teams separated into four groups of five teams.



    The top two teams from each group will go forward to knock-out stages, with the final on Wednesday serving as the undercard at the Shanghai National Stadium to the main event of Shanghai Shenhua facing 
Manchester United.



    “We view competing in tournaments as an important part of our players’ football education,” O’Halloran said this week. “It helps prepare them for the future when hopefully they will progress to under-20s and eventually the first-team.



    “At this current age-group we don’t play for points or cups domestically.



    “It’s also a fantastic opportunity for our players and coaches to pit their wits against opposition that we wouldn’t usually come up against.



    “We were able to compete against the very best clubs in England and the knock-on from winning the British tournament is that we get to go up against the best in the world now. Again this will be seen as a fantastic addition to our players and coaches’ development.”

  16. Just awake here in a winter day in oz Australia .. Gonna be around the early 20’s. No bad






    Some good tunes there bhoy, boatman version is defo up there. Miss the tunes crazy on this side of the world. With the amount of Irish here there’s a massive gap.



    On the football front . Are we guarenteed Europa cup ? If so surely 3m for decent centre for the team isn’t a massive gamble and if beat Helsinki then we can afford a good striker .



    Why is Blackman,Rasmussen,Murphy still there ? Surely we could get 1m between them all.



    On current squad to face Helsinki I would pick


























    That’s away team. At home replace ki with brown or kayal.





    Erin go bragh

  17. ah kitabla, you obviously missed out on fulfilling your academic dreams and expectations. Don’t let the bitterness get to you.



    Your children’s laughter will more than make up for any sorrow.



    Moot point, but as for Celtic, If your conscience ever get’s the better of you there’s always this






    just think about it x

  18. “Oh what a wicked web we weave when first we practice to deceive”.



    You don’t have a season ticket do you?



    Now don’t you go overdosing on the oxytocin mate, God alone knows what you might mutate to.



    How are the Latin classes coming along?

  19. Imatim and so is Neil Lennon on

    2010 Never Again



    I wonder how many take in to account the money Celtic are pumping in to youth development.



    I also wonder where Scottish Football would be if that wasn’t the case.



    Taking in to account the huns were the instigators of getting rid of the reserve league because their reserve teams were getting pumped consistently by Celtic and they wouldn’t or couldn’t afford to compete….as they were too busy elsewhere not paying their due taxes and dishing out fraudulent EBT’s to pay for players they could ill afford.



    Remembering they have been found guilty…it’s the outcome of the appeal we are waiting on.



    They without doubt deserve every sanction and humiliation that’s coming their way….for they have cheated and corrupted the game in Scotland….and indeed in Europe….to an extent that is monumentally staggering as things will continue to unfold. Stay tuned!

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