This evening we received clarity on two items first reported here and on several other locations months ago. Sevco have accepted the 12 month player registration embargo handed down by Lord Carloway’s Appellate Tribunal as a condition of their application for membership of the SFA, while Fifa have granted four former Rangers players permission to sign for new clubs.
The SFA, under president Campbell Ogilvie, took every step possible to alert Sevco that if they did not accept the transfer embargo a more severe penalty would be imposed on Rangers, whose licence they are trying to acquire. Hopes of “elimination” from the Scottish Cup as an alternative punishment were based on false logic, and were also just silly.
Sevco disputed the embargo, hoping the SFA would offer to set it aside, as it tried to set-aside so many other rules to accommodate them in recent weeks, however, the best the new company could achieve was an accommodation to allow them to stock up on players over the next five weeks in order to off-set the effects of so many players ‘walking away’.
There is a chance this decision will save Sevco a second season in the SFL Third Division but there remains many hurdles for the new club to achieve before they start and complete a football season.
No mention yet of what the SFA and SPL plan to do with the plethora of other disciplinary matters due against Rangers, or how they proposed to prevent their own independent judicial process from reaching an inconvenient verdict.
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Patrick27 on 20 July, 2012 at 21:52:
Not going to Amsterdam, alas…:(
Yeah, just send me a text, good luck to you in Belgium.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
SydneyTim
“And the fact that we have only 6 1st team defenders left and a very weak central defence.”
Our central defence, if it is fit, is not very weak. We definitely should be bringing in a quality operator in this area to make sure we have the best possible chance to progress but I feel that will only happen after this game against the Fins unless we have a bad injury crisis.
It is all about the pennies, every last one of them, unfortunately, which is no bad thing when we look around the World.
For every player they sign, we should loan a player to their rivals, get them good match practice in D3.
Paul67
As you say if it was up to the SFA etc ………..
If it was up to the SFA chairman who was the secretary at rangers in liquidation, at the time they introduced the dodgy tax evasion then it would be Celtic FC and the other SPL clubs who were punished for questioning the ex rangers (in liquidation) honesty, integrity and EBT earnings.
The world is watching with dismay as the dirty dealings of senior scottish figures continue to dig holes for themselves, which is ok in my book but in doing so, bring our game into disrepute.
Have we tendered our resignation yet?
HH
Is the SFA facilitating the transfer of Rangers’ debts?
To Sevco?
Back to the film……. a 4hr kill bill extravaganza…….. bill disnae die easily ye ken.
HH
Foxy_1888, nothing is set in stone for this SFA. They need to abandon independent oversight to keep Sevco in the game.
Lennybhoy, if Sevco want Rangers licence then need to accept punishment due to Rangers. This is the trade-off. This one has a long way to go, don’t worry.
SydneyTim, Celtic will spend every penny they earn over any given business period, as they have done so for well over a decade. Sorry if I am confusing you with someone else, but I think I answered a similar question recently from you.
I also think that Celtic will both buy and sell (don’t take either as a promise) this transfer window so cover perceived gaps.
Patrick27, it is still on the table.
PFayr, the original decision was active when applied. There was no delay.
Celtic Mac, aye.
Vmhan, indeed.
Celtic first
In such circumstances the deferral is a disgrace
Will CFC comment …silly question …nae chance
Patrick27,
Enjoy it .
Whilst it is famous for numerous things there are also some really good record shops in Amsterdam which are worth checking out.
Canny believe the number of posters upset about sevco accepting a transfer ban from Sept,while i accept it aint right who exactly are they gonna be able to
afford,their marquee signing will be Black,who will also double up as the maintenance man
If we fail to get past HJK will we go into the Europa league
“No mention yet of what the SFA and SPL plan to do with the plethora of other disciplinary matters due against Rangers,”
Plethora,that’s a great word.
I’m tired of the hun saga,I really wish they would just vanish and let the rest of us get on with it.They’re like those jeans from the 80’s with the elasticated thingys at the bottom of each leg,crass,out of date and blue.
The only way to move forward and allow Rangers to survive was to allow the enbargo to move. I would hypothesise that the SFA have not only bent their own rules here they have bust them and invented new ones.
I would think the negotiaitions. (Why the need to negotiate with a non existant club?) over the last few days have resulted in Rangers accepting a reduction in their 54 titles (Why would they need to accept this? Why not just tell them they broke the rules and they were taking them from them?)
Now for the other rule breaking… I would suggest a deal has been done to allow Rangers to progress as far as possible to the zenith of Scottish Football… the deal will be no European football for a very long time.
Can Rangers sell any season tickets between now and the start of the season.
Do they have any money?
Who will sign for them?
Who will leave?
Will Ally stick or twist?
Will we ever hear that the majority of the investors in this debacle of a newco are not fit and proper?
Rangers… 54 and subtracting
Gordybhoy
It’s the principle of it all
Another favourable decision for them
Everton manager David Moyes believes Celtic’s financial strategy has paid off.
The 49-year-old spoke about the state of Scottish football in an exclusive interview with STV on Friday.
Prior to Fergus McCann’s buyout in 1994, the Celtic board was lambasted by fans and the media for taking a miserly ‘biscuit tin’ approach to finances, with little investment in the club, facilities or team.
Moyes said: “I think Celtic had a lot of criticism for maybe not spending as much as they could at times, things were tight and the supporters were angry because they were losing titles.
“In truth, then, have Celtic done their business correctly by spending what they can afford and giving the wages out they can afford – you have to say Celtic have done it right really.”
In relation to the crisis at Rangers, the retired defender said he felt it would have a “detrimental effect to the whole way people look at Scotland.”
He added: “People are saying how can a club of this stature, with their support, stadium and history put themselves in such a position?”
The former Celtic, Dunfermline and Preston North End player felt that the Scottish Football League made the “fair” decision in forcing newco Rangers start in Division Three.
Moyes, who has been in charge at Goodison Park for more than a decade, had praise for Celtic manager Neil Lennon, after his team lifted the Scottish Premier League trophy last year.
He also shared his thoughts on the tough task facing the Scottish national side in qualifying for the 2014 World Cup.
PF Ayr. It’s a question I am asking
Neil’s 1st season in Europe , all we had was a Goalie, but the board sold him before we had a replacement
We were dumped out of Europe very quickly and lost a huge amount of income
I fear we will do the same again
The excuse that we can’t buy because “look what happened to rangers ” is a lame duck
One central half at 2-3 million is not going to put our club into liquidation
Sydney tim,
how much of the Helsinki teams games have you seen to make your assumption
PF
you coming to G72 when EN gets home/
that evening will be a classic..
Glen Daly will welcome you…
Anyone going to Helsinki…. it’s a nice neat wee stadium and a seat in the home end (if you cant get a Celtic end ticket) has an added bonus of a bar behind the goals :-) not sure if there is one at the away end…….
Patrick27 on 20 July, 2012 at 21:59:
Of course you can, not much happening though, apart from my earlier predictions on my post on previous thread.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Paul67 et al
Dire Straits. No not Sevco in SFL Division 3, that’s a given, no, a Mark Knopfler documentary on BBC4. Interesting character, with a bone fide Glasgow connection into the bargain. Not everybody’s cup of tea, but given that my introduction to them came from the late and great Charlie Gillett I have always had time for them.
….PFayr on 20 July, 2012 at 22:02
Concur.
We’re too lightweight in central defense. CM would be destroyed there against quality opposition.
up front, stokes and to a lesser extent murphy have qualities that will do for the spl, not in europe.
we need a quality finisher.
celtic should play to their strengths in midfield and on the flanks. perhaps adopting spains formation would be our best bet.
remember when we had a team that used the cut back to greatest effect. delightful. like watching Spain.
It can be done :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXjlRCePvUU
Lennybhoy
Ach no bother will catch up with you some time soon, hope to make about 5 games this year! Will send you a text and thanks re Facebook!
Paul67
Excellent! Thanks for the response
Clashcitybhoy
Thanks very much will do, and will check out the shops if I have time!
HH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIdySWSmAs0&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r13I8jaABKY&feature=relmfu
bhoys
ST
has been constant with his anti board cheapskate opinion..
I agree with him..
I have an will not renew whislt that man Lawell is in charge at Celtic park..
i have not changed my mind about his old firm tennants deal…
he is only in it for himself…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrzjxkmS2gQ&feature=related
Our hero…
Night all!
PF Ayr
If we lose to Helsinki we enter the EL play offs!
HH
Paul67
Thanks for the reply , but you said the other day that you had seen no quote that Neil had no money
Things have changed now as the quote is everywhere
Neil is saying this to put pressure on PL and i just wanted your opinion if it’s a gamble to far, considering our center defence situation
I do however agree that the squad should be trimmed to free up funds
Disappointed that Ki and Murphey and McCourt still there
St
Those who have studied psychology will know the technical term for it but IMO those who feel that Celtic are inferior are simply projecting aspects of their own psyche. Good night all.
JJ
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Foxy
Murphy is a dreadful player …one of the worst signings ever ….taking into account the transfer fee and wages
Most on here thought he was poor before he signed …. What on earth was Lenny thinking of
BT
Perhaps .. Could stay at my mothers ….
Just in and haven’t read back, but read Paul’s article ……
It is beyond scandalous that the transfer embargo has been moved from the original date….even though the 1 year ban means (or should mean) that they won’t be able to buy players next summer (and they don’t have any money to buy any between now and 31 August 2012), the SFA are guilty of NEGOTIATING a punishment with a club…..ABSOLUTELY SCANDALOUS..
They would not have done this with ANY other Club…… Hang your heads in shame, SFA ……and what about the accounts / naming of green’s consortium partners etc……… We cannot ignore this, and neither can FIFA……
Is this why, according to the Evening Times, 2 of the panel ‘resigned’
FRIDAY 20 JULY 2012 TEXT SIZE SFA panel pair quit over Rangers embargo row
Michael Grant
Chief football writer
TWO members of the three-man SFA panel which imposed a 12-month transfer embargo on Rangers will play no further part in the case.
Lord Carloway and Spartans chairman Craig Graham will be replaced if, or when, the SFA’s Appellate Tribunal reconvenes to consider the transfer ban again.
The panel was ruled to have acted outwith its powers by Lord Glennie when Rangers challenged the SFA in the Court of Session.
SportTimes understands Lord Carloway was unhappy that his verdict was contradicted by another judge and wrote to the SFA to inform them he would no longer be available for any future cases. Graham could not consider the case again because of the possibility that suspending or expelling the oldco Rangers’ SFA membership (which the newco club seeks to take over) could create a vacant league place for which his own club, Spartans, could seek to apply. Graham removed himself rather than face a conflict of interest, although he will remain available to the SFA for future cases.
Only former Partick Thistle chairman Allan Cowan remains of the three-man Appellate Tribunal which upheld the decision by an earlier SFA panel to ban Rangers from signing any player over the age of 18 for 12 months.
Glennie’s Court of Session verdict ruled the case should be returned to the Appellate Tribunal rather than to the original panel which imposed the transfer ban in April.
However, the same three men cannot now hear the case again.
That means two new individuals from the dozens who comprise the SFA’s Judicial Panel will have to be drafted in to study the entire case along with Cowan and deliver another verdict.
Glennie concluded that only the specific punishments laid down in the SFA’s rulebook for the charges Rangers faced – namely a fine, expulsion from the Scottish Cup or suspension or termination of membership – could be applied to the club.
The extent of the SFA sanctions imposed on Rangers for charges of bringing the game into disrepute (mainly relating to non-payment of over £13m in taxes under former owner Craig Whyte last season) has become a central point in the ongoing discussions about securing the newco club’s licence and SFA membership.
During three days of talks this week, the newco representatives have so far failed to accept the imposition of the 12-month signing ban – which could still be applied if the club accepted it, despite Glennie’s ruling – as a condition of their SFA membership being ratified.
The newco club runs the risk of the Appellate Tribunal reconvening and imposing an even tougher penalty, such as withholding the newco club’s ability to play any football at all.
The SFA could grant the newco Rangers’ licence and membership – if the governing body receives the answers it wants on the identity of those involved in chief executive Charles Green’s consortium.
This would allow the season to begin with the newco playing at Brechin City in the Ramsdens Cup next weekend.
However, unless the newco representatives change their attitude to accepting the 12-month embargo, it seems highly unlikely that the Appellate Tribunal can sit again before the season is due to begin in only eight days’ time.
….PFayr on 20 July, 2012 at 22:09:
If we fail to beat Helsinki, that is it as far as our European exploits will go this season.
If we beat them but get beat it the play-off we parachute into the Europa League.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
It is essential for the stagnation of Sevco that their media arm continues to employ Mark Hately. It’s not rocket science why they are where they are now.
New Rangers – Sevco showing remorse?
Never. We ara peepull
The squad Sevco had left was capable of winning the 3rd and 2nd division and at least competing for the 1st. They didn’t/don’t need players. It would have been a convenient excuse to save money so I’m not really bothered about it starting in September.
More interested in if they’re stripped of titles.
PFayr. Why do we not just Murphy to Ipswich on a free transfer
No one is going to pay any money for that donkey and he is a drain on the wage bill
Sorry for the word donkey
But it was taking the p@@s out of the Celtic support signing him