Various people have demanded an explanation as to why executives at the SPL and SFA proposed to fast-track disciplinary procedures against Rangers and rubber-stamp access for their successor club into the Scottish Football League First Division.
There are two possible scenarios for this:
Rangers are guilty as sin, everyone knows it, results achieved by illegally registered players will be void and a severe punishment would be due. If subject to due process, punishment from independent commission could be expulsion from the SFA. “Powerful forces” at the SFA and SPL tried their best to protect Rangers’ successor club.
Or
Rangers are innocent of the charge. This was an attempt to impose an inappropriate punishment on their successor club when they were vulnerable.
Neither explanation is satisfactory.
Sir David Murray, who was on the board which authorised remuneration during the period 2000-2011, when the unregistered second contracts were allegedly used, has categorically denied these contracts exist. Earlier this year The Sun produced a redacted second contract and the BBC documentary into the club claims to have seen dozens of second contracts worth tens of millions of pounds.
Next month we will discover the true situation. For the record, Celtic, nor any individual at the club, were not involved in any meetings, telephone conversations or emails discussing or promoting this accommodation. The plan was also not put to the SFA board or the SPL board.
As we have noted before, if Sir David Murray is mistaken on the conduct of the former Rangers board, the toxicity attached to this SFA ‘franchise’ makes it untenable.
On other matters:
Spartak Moscow players Jurado and Romulo were both injured at the weekend and will miss the visit of Celtic next week.
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Right…..I think I’ll get off here before Philvis and the Thatcher appreciation society wake up, climb on board and thoroughly depress me.
Adios amigos y amigas.
HH.
bsr
Like that. How long did you have to pose was it painful? lol <o))
Reading ‘Downfall’ I am reminded of some pretty serious issues that have not gone away yet regarding this whole debacle. For instance:
– How did Rangers get UEFA licenses in the years when it was known they owed money to the tax man?
– If SFA officials are found to have been complicit in cover up and ending of rules where does that leave the SFA and Scottish football with regard to UEFA? I would hate to think that it might mean Celtic and other innocent clubs would be collectively punished for the sins of the Rangers minded and the rolled up trouser leg brigade. It worries me.
Of course there is much much more.
Patience is everything at the moment but despite the enormity of last seasons events off the field I think ‘planet fitba’ as Phil Mac calls it, is about to see much much more in the months and years ahead.
JJ
Never a truer word!
It’s truly remarkable how low the standards are. We can put it down to being huns/pert of the establishment/a prodestant supremist or it is incompetence in the extreme or it is going when you need to do to get on in that proffession in Scotland.
I listened to the radio on the way home from the game on Sat (I was lonely and wanted to speak or hear about football) and was truly amazed at just how bad that show with Traynor and Cosgrove actually is. I wanted to call in but would have been lost for words and no doubt could not have made sense of anything either of them said.
One guy (a hun) texted in and he go abuse for being from Perth and supporting Sevco. The subject of his text was completely ignored. I could not help but feel the underlying thrust of everthing Traynor said was that somehow Celtic need to be blamed for the decline in Scottish football.
For me the commencenent of rangers (IA) cheating and the slow decline of Scottish football along with all the clubs in Scotland are inextricably linked. The whole game was run for the benefit of one club and it’s clear the authorities have been trying for a year to maintain that status quo. If Traynor and the rest of his ilk want to blame someone they need look no further than rangers (IA), they completely ruined the game in Scotland. He can also look in the mirror and ask himself he he does an honest, competent and unnbiased job ….. the answer means he contributed!
I hope (and really believe) we can recover.
TootingTim – been mooching about the newspaper messageboards etc and have detected an air of ‘storm in a teacup’ from sevconians re. the ole banner furore.
Bitova lack of perma-rage as it were.
Did I just hit a seam of common-sense posters or is that the case?
I would guess most Sevconians who have jobs and lives and children don’t give two hoots about a cartoon banner of a man shooting a zombie.
It’s the ultra-demented, easily offended, hunnish Cult of Skaro over at Follow Follow who have the spare time on their hairy hands to whip each other into a frenzy of permarage.
Those boys aren’t your average bears.
When they aren’t being offended by imaginary PIRA propaganda or pure raging at imaginary references to the Ibrox Disaster, they’re posting images of Sam English’s knee on their bannerhead, or writing about their admiration for the Shankhill Butchers, or hilariously dropping of Lucozade poisoning at their keyboards.
In other words, they’re part of the fabric of the nation. Hence the phrase “touching the cloth”. (thumbsup)
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo, 13:12
Any evidence for your last point there?
The Celtic Duck
Why did I not know RFC owed Accies 38K of the Queens Pounds and only ponied up on instruction from SFA in 2008?
Was it not reported at the time?
Usual story – imagine Celtic owing anyone any money and having to be chased!!
Even in our darkest days I don’t recall us ever having any football debts or indeed not paying the myriad of small companies that worked for Celtic.
Was watching Dawn of the Dead last night.
The disgraceful depiction of zombies filled me with indignation. They were being slaughtered right left and centre and the film gloried in it.
QUite obviously some kind of RC plot or Republican propaganda film.
Someone tell the polis……
bsr
Have you got one on a string? We’ve a shower now. o)
O.G. Rafferty
Hard evidence. Not yet. It just exists as bits and bytes at the moment.
But you know me I never fail to deliver .. eventually :-))
Why is Alex Thomson not interested in speaking to the ECA ?
LooseLipsSheliaCSC
The Follow,Follow gnome.
The Celtic Dug
RobertTressell – Was watching Dawn of the Dead last night.
Was it the original or the (I thought) rather lacklustre remake?
The original Dawn of the Dead terrified me for years after I saw it. It was absolutely unlike any horror film I had ever seen before (not having seen Night at that point, and Dawn was bigger and better anyway).
To this day I feel slightly queasy when I’m in a lift and the doors open…
I’m also wary of Hare Krishnas, but that wasn’t because of the film.
“Land of the Dead” was a tragic allegory about how Sevconians will eventually get into the SPL (represented in the film by a city) and then we’ll be sorry.
“Shaun of the Dead” was probably an evil Timmy-mhedia-inspired coded mockery of the Ibrox disaster. (thumbsup)
After their experience at Galabank, Sevco’s first team squad find another difficult playing surface.
Awe Naw
Yep that was of course my point!! :-)
Cannae believe it : I wholeheartedly agree with every word of a philvis post.
Just like the one where he said, ” The world is a better place for Celtic being in it. ”
Ah well….ye cannae argue with THAT.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93212354/SFA-Rangers-Note-of-Reasons
BSR
Re the Celtic Dug. A wee story from about 30 years ago. A relative worked in springburn car showroom. Every day a wee white dug would appear and the guys would give it scraps of food.
One day the wee dug appears, someone had painted green hoops over it!
Dan
Fabulous hoo hah in Italia re this ——–
Yesterday’s Cagliari – Roma match was postponed .
Reason . ——–
Cagliari have recently moved to a new stadium .
New stadium has not been granted the relevant safety certificate . Relevant safety authorities claim it is dangerous.
Cagliari have been forced to play home games behind closed doors – but .
Cagliari’s madcap owner decides to ignore the lack of the necessary safety certificate and declares the ground to be open .
Relevant authorities discover that Cagliari intend to admit the public to the Cagliari – Roma game . The game is cancelled.
Italian football authorities award the relevant points to Roma and declare the result to be Cagliari 0 ——Roma 3 .
Lazio’s owner appears on tele and says this ——– ——
” The result of a football match should be decided on the pitch and not in a bureaucrat’s office. Roma are guilty of unsporting behaviour if they accept the points . I hope they can look at themselves in a mirror “
John Stein and Charles Tully
Celtic FC CSC
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo, 13:53
Well I look forward to its arrival. Ask Alex Thomson – may be a good time
miki67
He let me get the podium today …. I think young philvis is on a friend winning mission.
We should be careful .. I can see us being used as drug mules and can see a Colin Mc Adam type putting on a plastic glove ;-)
tread carefully ….
Hail Hail
Dan
The original wee Hoopy the Huddle Hound?
SofTunis- sadly relevant to the recent discussions on Hillsborough, which didn’t have a safety certificate and should never have been allowed to stage the semi-final.
While the actions of the police and The Sun have rightly been criticised the FA and Sheffield Wednesday must bear their share of the blame.
O.G.Rafferty
14:03 on
24 September, 2012
I have but to no avail.
You and I both know that when it comes to watching synchronised dominoes falling you have to start at the right place.
Hail Hail
I thought ArseLeckies surpassed himself with his article today.
Its all in his tiny mind and very sadly .. he knows it.
Hail Hail
BSR- when was that picture taken?
It may be they had numbers on their tracksuits when they didn’t have them on the strip.
The Celtic Duck – Euro three package
I like Awe-naw’s posts. It’s like the true feelings of those he attributes them to, but who are too afraid to type (for fear of being outed as: not supporting Airdrie/St Mirren/Thistle/Motherwell/AN OtherFC or as being not quite the full shilling – see Hately).
I think only once have I looked up one of the stories and that was because Awe-Naw’s version was simply too incredible. Upon reading, the worst excesses were actually those of the author and not the doctored pieces.
To business:
Sally makes a curious point re 15 to 20 years, sentenced before guilt attributed, etc.
Someone of the legal types on here can correct me if I’m wrong on this, but, if you break the law you normally get the chance to plead guilty or not guilty, yes? If you plead not guilty, you can expect a trial before (any) sentence is passed; plead guilty and it goes straight to reports and sentencing, yes?
But, you can also go to and strike a deal with the penal peeps to plead guilty to a lesser charge and accept a predetermined sentence – say for example, a small fine and no lack of license (quite literally as it so happens in this case). This is the part I’m not sure about though – does this work one way, or can the penal peeps also come to a defendant and propose such a deal?
Like the SFA/SPL may have done?
And whilst der orkenkind may indeed be in possession of a letter iterating just such an arrangement, I very much doubt that such a letter would be the mooting point of same. In which case, who approached who in the first instance and more importantly: why?
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo – Dear chum of chums, how would you like to take this lovely cuddly teddy bear on your next flight for me? (thumbsup)
Paul 67 you pose a tough choice of answers as to why the powers that be in Scottish football would come up with proposals for fast-tracking of Rangers Newco into the First Division.
Were powerful forces within the SFA/SPL trying to favour a guilty Rangers Newco or were the same people out to victimise and harshly punish a poor wee innocent Rangers Newco?
I take it you will not be offering any cash prizes for the poster with the correct answer?
dirtymac
I think only once have I looked up one of the stories and that was because Awe-Naw’s version was simply too incredible. Upon reading, the worst excesses were actually those of the author and not the doctored pieces.
Wish I had a penny for everybody that said that to me. And you are dead right
Hail Hail
Philvis
Teddy Bears ?????? Come on !!
A cuddly hound maybe ??? :-)
HAil Hail
Scary Man
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo, 14:04
It’s at times like these we miss the fine trumpet playing of old Roy Castle.
Which reminds me of an old Belfast joke …
Why did the Provos kill Ross McWhirter?
Because he knew too much
I thought all Teddy Bears were now Deady Bears
the point that this is still going even after its death proves
beyond any doubt that people who are corrupt are still mopping
up,they are looking for ways to deflect blame and hope to eventually get people to the point of being fed up and just
clear it up under the guise of recontruction for the good of the game and draw the line under all this,sadly there will be
people who will agree to this.