When engaging in a civil case under Scots Law, where one witness’ testimony contradicts another, a sheriff will rule not just on what witnesses actually say, but on their demeanour, assertiveness, body language and other perceivable traits (I’m no lawyer but I’ve first-hand experience of this).
Alek Tonev’s SFA Appeal panel, faced with contradictory evidence, explained their decision on this basis, “Tonev gave his evidence in a guarded and hesitant manner”, whereas Shay Logan “gave his evidence in a careful and measured manner”.
Alek, Celtic, you and me are free to disagree with this verdict, or cite the fact that the player may have appeared hesitant because he was so uncomfortable speaking English, he attended with an interpreter (who was unused). In these circumstances hesitancy appears normal, I can’t imagine speaking at a hearing conducted in French with anything but hesitancy, so to find against the player on this basis is blatantly incongruous, but that is a side point.
Celtic threatened to take the SFA to the Council of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). My hunch is that before this Appeal was rejected, the SFA’s counsel confirmed that the panel were able to judge on matters of demeanour and manner.
CAS do not re-hear cases. In this instance, they will only determine if the grounds on which the decision was made, and subsequent punishment, were within the rules of the governing body which conducted the appeal. It is inconceivable that the SFA, who employed counsel, would return a verdict which they knew could be referred to CAS, if it broke one of their own rules.
Like you, I don’t have enough information to judge one way or the other on this one, so I’ll offer no view. Don’t be stressed that our reputation will be damaged by the charge. These incidents are so rare at Celtic they are headline news and recalled for decades (literally). This is a good thing.
Will get round to the moves being put on the SFA on other matters shortly, lots to cover this week.
Got your CQN Annual yet? Just over one week until Christmas!
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Sleep well Timland
Looks like more hilarity from the bigot dome in the morn.
Whit they like, they just canny help it >}
Their pain is my feckin joy.
HH
KTF
Somos el Celtic
Graham Spiers on STV tonight speaking about Mr Ashley. Worth 2.1 billion, and he might be a saviour for Sevco. Maybe I am a retard, as my family keep telling me. But, is it not the case that Ashley cannot be involved with two clubs, and that he and Sevco are subject to some disciplinary action because of this ? Maybe someone out there could enlighten me.
HH.
caltontongues
00:14 on 17 December, 2014
The only solution I can come up with ….no season ticket well no ticket for away in Europe….. I am quite sure someone could come up with a system whereby your European away ticket is attributed to your season ticket pass and you travel with this and it is read by a hand held electronic device at the stadium you are visiting allowing you entry. It’s not foolproof but it would certainly make some think twice about purchasing a ticket for away in Europe and then passing it on
TET, you know me. I hate to see Celtic being singled out for punishment when other perpetrators are ignored. I do however have a particular pet hate of flares and the morons in our support who use them.
It looks like we are being singled out and made an example of here and I’d expect to see a surge of action against all other clubs who’s supporters use pyro at any eufa match from this point forward. This seems to set a new precedent. I look forward to seeing how Turkish teams are dealt with in the coming rounds.
Morrissey, yo bro:_)
Where can I buy the DVD?
And, does it have Subterranean hunman blues on it…………………………..Fur ra TET.
HH
Alisdair Maclean
Well done for the post.
Young Dinwall looks a cracker and worth watching.
HH
http://www.scotzine.com/2014/12/charlie-telfer-cash-could-be-snatched-by-rangers-liquidators/
mickbhoy1888
00:51 on
17 December, 2014
That won’t work as tickets are easy to get, anywhere.
Total bhoycott from Celtic and, the home team then deals with the ensuing shit.
mickbhoy1888, any chance of getting some of that charlie and getting it roon to cqn corner. We could do wi a wee perk up.
ACGR
It’s looking like to me that it needs someone to complain, and we ahve many from sectarianland who are willing to stick the boot in.
I have no truck either with flares or pyros of any description, my beef is with banners, and the club bending over re certain banners.
HH
Must try to sleep now, up early doors, things to do, wood to chop, shops to take Jan to.
ACGR @ 00:51
Have a little perusal of the sanctions meted out by UEFA in the the link for firework related incidents …….we are not being singled out
http://www.uefa.org/disciplinary/
ACGR
If you scroll down as far as 20 October you will see that Turkish Clubs have been disciplined
Btw We are not being investigated for Fireworks but for Crowd Disturbances
bigshuggy
Sounds like someone needs to enlighten Graham Spiers.
Ashley can only be a savior for Sevco if he sells away control of Newcastle.
That’s why he’s been summoned to the Star Chamber at Hampden with his Sevco minions.
What was the total hun debt at administration in 2012?
BDO if the reports are to beloved, having recovered £24 M seem to be doing their business properly and are working to pay a percentage to those who the hun ripped off.
The face painter will be doing summersaults wi her punders on her heid at this news. At this rate she might get enough to buy…………………..some new punders.
bigshuggy,
Cheers!
The locals in Ross-shire – and I include the whole county – have been desperate for “one of our own” to support.
There are a few kids just younger than him who are pushing for a place as well.
Thing about someone like him doing well is that he’ll put at least a few hundred extra on the gate each week – and encourage the youngsters of the vicinity.
As for the old ones like myself – yearning to see utter tenacity mixed with skill? Well he’ll do for me.
Armageddon? Haha.
I see Armageddon has morphed into “League of Ireland” in Sevco talk now.
a ceiler gonof rust
00:59 on 17 December, 2014
There’s a blue pill you can get off your doctor for that
Nighty Night
A Ceiler Gonof Rust @ 00:53
I messaged to ask but I think Billy has gone to bed. I’ll let you know tomorrow.
mickbhoy1888, thanks for the links and confirming were not being singled out for the use of pyro and that other clubs are being dealt the same hand as us in relation to the imbeciles who bring these into football grounds. I refer you back to my earlier post on how I’d like to see these cretins dealt with.
So what have we angered them about, now, what is the charge? I read the pyro stuff on here, is this not Celtic Quick News?
Did we pish in a fountain?
When you sell a allegedly multi million pound value football club for one pound to an asset stripper/bankruptcy specialist…
You are actually giving it away to the first chancer that comes along..
Because as a going concern it is worthless..
Deidco wasn’t sold by SDM – it was given away.
LuckyBag CSC
RWE
Thanks for that.
I thought that was the case.
Don’t understand Mr Spiers.
Usually he is quiet good.
Maybe losing it a bit.
Alisdair
Fingers crossed for Tony Dingwall .
I will be monitoring his progress.
HH
Logan .. the most powerful footballer in the world.
If I was him Id be claiming ally mccoist promised him his years wages.
Swear sfa.. ally told me.
ACGR,
No reply required but I’m still on track for Saturday 27th Dec – I’ll be an “away” Ross County supporter mind.
Al
Alasdair MacLean, looking forward to meeting you Alasdair. Are you staying in Glasgow on the night of the 26th?
contact me at acgr@hotmail.co.uk
P.S. Alasdair, yer team are in for a right good rodgering.
Is it ok to use Alasdair and Rodger in the same sentence without introducing Finbar or Tarquin?
:_)
Goodnight Celtic men and Wummin (and wan Ross Co Fan)
HH
RWE, I was about to go lights out and saw your post. I take exception to your use of the tem “luckybag”.
I once got a wee yellow twirlygig thingee in a luckybag that was worth more than the whole hun club.
Please do not demean luckybags, they were a thing of beauty and mystery, totally different fro the hun.
Bulldoze ibrox into the Clyde…………………………………….oan a Saturday.
TET
I know you’ll be sleeping but here it is……..Subhuman Blues by Billy No’Well
http://youtu.be/LVyCQo4kpGQ
HH
mickbhoy1888
00:51 on
17 December, 2014
caltontongues
00:14 on 17 December, 2014
The only solution I can come up with ….no season ticket well no ticket for away in Europe….. I am quite sure someone could come up with a system whereby your European away ticket is attributed to your season ticket pass and you travel with this and it is read by a hand held electronic device at the stadium you are visiting allowing you entry. It’s not foolproof but it would certainly make some think twice about purchasing a ticket for away in Europe and then passing it on
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Celtic should refuse any tickets for away Euro games – Celtic Travel should be wound-up.
We have a Militant Tendency within our support – we see it from the rantings of the Celtic Trust – we seen it rear its ugly head in the referendum campaign and of course we witness it at almost every away fixture.
Celtic can tell UEFA that by not officially selling tickets for away games, any fans who travel and obtain tickets from the opposing club are NOT Celtic’s responsibility.
I am sick of these idiots and wish they would find another vehicle for their mischief-making
ACGR,
Well, yer team did us big favour the other night although I was a wee bit worried for the first 15mins.
A nice memory – surnames as first names.
I have a good friend whose first name is Campbell. He got all the usual Far-Quar ribbing.
I stood behind him in the bank in Limassol Cyprus in February1989 as he tried to change money……I forgot to mention his second name is MacInnes.
Anyway, the gorgeous Cypriot receptionist said,
“Your name is,,,,,,,Camp…. Bell.,,.MakEE..,,,Noss???”
Cambell the Greek the rest of his life…
I’m surprised at the appeal verdict. I would have thought that a Scottish court, in the absence of corroborating evidence, would have passed a verdict of not proven, as the SFA should have done.
NegAnon2
23:38 on
16 December, 2014
There are some moments when the mask truely slips.
Tonight Is one of them. It I s a complete embarrsment that we are faced with a weird about turn from celtic which would shame the Hun.
For our host and others to pretend it didn’t happen or whatever is I have to say rather pathetic.
Was tonevs case worth fighting for on its merits or not? One day it was. Now we are told itsnt.
Well what do you believe?
Celtics position is not credible.
I wonder why???
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You don’t know what the Celtic management are thinking – please wait until you do and the by all means give us your opinion.
HORRID HENRY
Bit harsh on NEGANON,mate.
After all,we slagged off Sally for not commenting on speculation,so we can hardly have a pop at someone who does.
Particularly on a blog.
SFA?
https://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0LEVj89CJFUM9wAr6EPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw–?p=Adrian+wrestling+world+of+sport&tnr=21&vid=B2DC5F06B1BABC20C1CBB2DC5F06B1BABC20C1CB&l=601&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DUN.607988174880639817%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlwDOyecwcuo&sigr=11ajscsdq&tt=b&tit=World+Of+Sport+-+Bobby+Barnes+vs+Les+Kellett+pt.1&sigt=11hj8l2j7&back=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3DAdrian%2Bwrestling%2Bworld%2Bof%2Bsport%26hsimp%3Dyhs-001%26hspart%3Dmozilla%26ei%3DUTF-8&sigb=13b4md2g8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
The ‘two club’ rule 19 is predicated by ‘without the express written permission of the Board’.
The current charge may well be the SFA wishing to ensure the rule is properly observed but it is possible they wish merely to impose their right to be consulted and grant permission.
Not suggesting this is the likely outcome but official sanction of Ashley’s effective takeover of Sevco is certainly an option on the basis of rule 19. Afterall its not as though there’s no history of goodwill towards Sevco. Speirs might not be as far off the mark as some are suggesting…
Anyone who knows the score, knows that SFA is what had to be endured before Final Score…..On a Saturday.
Some things Change…
Some things Remain Constant.
The SFA?
Are you haviing a feckin laugh?
Sporting Integrity?
What about sporting integrity….?
Its a JOKE.
Wake up…. & Join the dots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9cJlL-8Nnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bow1ZJTV4L4
Rangers Funeral as viewed by the SFA…
And Alas…
The MSM and therefore….. All of us.
Feckin Tragic….
Ironically a couple of Hibees nailed it years ago…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NBegquhJRM
The problem with all SFA actions/decisions is that they invariably create a rod for their own back.
Having created conditional membership and a myriad of other rules, specifically to cater for the Sevco fiasco, any club is perfectly entitled to expect the same treatment should they find themselves in a similar situation.
Thus too, with the Tonev decision. All it needs is an accusation of racism and you are automatically guilty – especially if you look uncomfortable under cross examination (or wearing a green & white top). But then again, perhaps if Tonev had turned up at the hearing wearing a royal blue, star laden top, he might just have received the “not proven” verdict which should have been the outcome.
The SFA itself should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.
They have made Scottish football the laughing stock of the entire footballing world.
All the SFA had to do was apply their own rules without fear or favour.
Alas, they are filled with fear and so obviously show favour towards the establishment club or should I say clubs.
No wonder they can’t get sponsors.
Good morning CQNers,
Disappointed to read the SFA tribunal not only upheld the 7 match ban but they also went public in questioning the veracity of Tonev’s evidence to them.
Shay Logan’s tweet “Off you pop geezer” added an unsavory note and I’m sure we’ll be hearing more from this brash, hmm, confident witness.
I’m a little confused why the SFA pursue racism with such zeal yet retain a laissez-faire approach to sectarianism. I’d suggest it’s time Celtic made some complaints but then again, with our ill-disciplined away support we may just expose our Achilles heal.
Any Aussie – Sydney Area Tims about ?
Daughter heading to Sydney in 22nd Dec, staying at Surfside Bondi Beach, through to 5th Jan or maybe later ?
Would be great for her to see some Celtic People in the area :-)
Hail Hail