I doubt Willie Collum expects to solve the world’s problems with his approach to his new job as SFA Head of Refereeing, but it is remarkably refreshing to hear an open explanation of recent controversial decisions.
Collum used the SFA’s YouTube channel to explain where he thought referees (and more importantly, VAR) got things wrong, and where they were following new guidance, meaning what would have been a penalty last year, is no longer an offence.
The most egregious error of the season so far was when Kilmarnock goalkeeper, Robby McCrorie, halved Kyogo in two after the striker knocked the ball around the keeper. Celtic won the game comfortably, so the incident did not receive the attention it deserved, but it was one for the ages.
Collum conceded the mistake, saying, “We believe this was the wrong decision. We have coached the referees and the VARs that a penalty kick should have been awarded here.” Cynics like you and me have had to endure decisions like this all our lives but I don’t remember a validation before. This is something new and important.
He held the line on a decision not to award Hearts a penalty against Newco, when the ball struck Connor Barron’s arm. Referees received new guidelines this season, consequentially, Collum explained that this incident would probably resulted in a penalty last season, but incidents like this will no longer be penalised.
There is a lot to like about this. The new guidance on handballs is so obviously needed and long overdue. Getting an explainer about the incident is useful too. More importantly, a precedent has been established. Referees and VARs now know that their mistakes will not be swept under the carpet.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5y3y4e6kn5o
Really good report with well presented background and facts …
Covers a number of issues.
I suspect it will stimulate a few debates.
QUADBHOY
That the player then does wipe the opponent out, after the ref has already by advice as much as said “you wont reach that from there without fouling” and then the ref then suddenly sees a “WHOLE BALL” contact that is not there. Wow.
VAR also dismissed it without much, if any, replay. It’s almost like they don’t want to see the foul.
As a rule, VAR does not get involved in fouls outside the penalty box.
BSR @ 2.54
“who teaches technique to a referee?”
The same people that teach referees just now. (No- not the freemasons). The same people that train Rugby refs and officials in all sports. You don’t just get a whistle and cards cos you’re the fat boy.
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“They decide on what happens and don’t decide on what they think might happen if they say “ Don’t tackle….. Tom “ or theoretically – “ Don’t tackle…… Daizen “ – then they are interfering, or influencing an outcome”
But that’s precisely what they do in other sports- they try to anticipate and warn players. And the feedback from the Rugby players- admittedly a more deferential to authority bunch- is that they prefer it. The alternative is the silent authoritarian ref who won’t explain and books you for asking for an explanation.
Refs already try to influence people from fouling and breaking regulations- they position themselves between players who are squaring up. They tell managers to get back in their coaching area. They tell keepers to stay on the line at penalties. They cannot anticipate everything or even most things but, if talking to players and keeping their respect, works for the players and they consider it better- I would accept it.
So long as it’s not applied to one team only or discriminately between teams.
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I don’t think your point B has anything to do with a point I was making- it may have been directed at somebody else’s comment.
Bada Bing @ 3.39
That’s another good idea to speed play up but it would need to be two tier.
i.e. A player who is injured by a foul tackle should be allowed to return to the pitch as soon as his team patch him up and he’s ready to play. But a player who is hurt or feigns injury from a tackle or collision that did not result in a foul or who injures themselves should stay off the pitch for longer.
DAVID 66 AND BIG JIMMY
Thank you for words of comfort, very much appreciated
Hail Hail
kinglubo
Celtic Mac @ 5.01
“As far as those lauding Rugger refs, dont make me laugh,”
Believe me, it’s hard for me to praise the Apartheid-Sanctions-Busting Posh Boys Game for anything. There will be bad decisions and corrupt decisions made in all sports. But the Rugby players have been positive about having mic-ed up refs and refs who explain situations AND refs who warn them from infractions. If the players prefer it – why not encourage it? It won’t slow down the game or spoil the fans enjoyment, as Scotland’s SLOW-VAR has done. I would let the players decide and inform refs of what style of reffing they appreciate best.
NFL refs do similar because they listened to feedback from players and coaches who promoted this approach. Football is a different game – sure- but it has the same ingredients- players, coaches and officials- those ingredients are the same. We’re not asking them to become Ice Skating or Gymnastic judges, where they have to give points for Artistic Merit- otherwise Todd Cantwell might have been Player of the Year in Scotland.
For those that might be interested in going to individual CL matches, tickets for the Slovan Bratislava game next Wednesday will go on General Sale as from tomorrow Friday Sept 13 @ 2pm.
That’s the good news, the tickets themselves, (max 6) will cost £60 a go, not sure about concessions.
PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 12TH SEPTEMBER 2024 1:40 PM
An Dún on 12th September 2024
As a matter of interest does anyone recall if that clown on Sky Dermot Gallagher commented on the Kyogo none penalty. Put my money on him saying
He said I think the keeper has stood his ground. No pen
There were 6 contentious issues involving Celtic but collum believes that only one was the wrong decision. What did he say about the kyogo offside against the sevs? Was it even mentioned..
sftb
Might work in the scrum….
Not too many o them in the ol’ fitba
Celtic Mac
There are rules for a scrum????
AuroraBorealis79 on 12th September 2024 6:55 pm
No surprise there then, as regards Kyogo that will be Collum’s next month review.
HH
I thought Willie Collum introduced a process where he, as Head of Referees, openly criticised a good number of contentious decisions from the early season.
He offered praise, actively highlighted incorrect decisions, discussed criteria used in coming to their subjective decisions, commented on how processes ought to work before decisions are taken and mentioned how current protocols guide and dictate the use of VAR.
To me this was a positive step forward in educating the partially knowledgeable, like me, and introducing public support and public accountability for individual referees.
It’s far from easy making decisions quickly, in public, with a lot of ,or perhaps not enough, sources of information coming at you. Willie Collum will know this.
He looks to be judging that by being publicly critical of and supportive to referees ,where appropriate and necessary, this will work to the benefit of decision making, see an improvement in Scottish refereeing standards as a whole and perhaps humanise and take the heat out of the worst abuse of referees.
After all, if you are going to be error prone ,for any reason, and it’s going to appear regularly on the VAR review ,it won’t be long before action will take place because those in charge can’t ignore it as they are the ones highlighting it.
Willie Collum has not only given the view of refereeing a shake, but he has placed himself at the forefront of accountability for the consequences of incorrect decisions making.
He seems brave and well intentioned. It’s surely a step forward from before.
Tom McL
Appreciate VAR can’t get involved to change the call once they call a new attacking phase after this foul (which I don’t agree with) but they are in comms like the ARs and the 4th official and can still say what they see. The fact they can’t clock that foul from the video seemed odd. It was clear as day.
QB
SFTB
‘Hampden……. we have a problem’ that aside. I know what you meant to say iwas ‘ because you’re the plump boy’?
Refs already try to influence people from fouling and breaking regulations- they position themselves between players who are squaring up. They tell managers to get back in their coaching area. They tell keepers to stay on the line at penalties. They cannot anticipate everything or even most things but, if talking to players and keeping their respect, works for the players and they consider it better- I would accept it.
Not quite the same examples of technique influencing in the one we’re discussing, telling a player “ don’t tackle Tom ” is it? ( given some Celtic supporters can already see Tom’s poster on the referee’s bedroom wall )
If you think it down to technique, (some have it, some never have, and never will) then we’re in bigger trouble than we think with the SPL refs potentially running about telling players what to do in the heat of the ‘battle’, bearing in mind its a blink of an sport.
I’d prefer refs just decided on what they see , not what they want to see.
BSR
If you think technique is inborn and cannot be improved, then there’s no point to coaching or training in any job.
You’re a born footballer, a born architect and a born banker.
For Me, I think I was able to be improved on many techniques but, as I aged beyond my peak, some of those techniques left me without ever having been untouched.
Orange Masonic Scotland – Like it or leave.
The mibbery conundrum – if box [ 1 ] is not ticked then GTF and stop wasting everybody’s time.
Box [ 1 ] = What did Brendan say about the mibbery cheating incident?
Brendan speaks for the executives who are window dressed puppets who take the flak for the control freak guy big Dermot behind the curtain.
Trying to change the World when you can’t even get rid of the Old Firm complicit asses who run Celtic FC and treat you like donkeys who can’t even muster enough power to be allowed to ask a single non scripted question of the Celtic executive at the AGM annual whitewashing stitch up.
The more shares you buy the less rights you are going to have….coz your playing by your rich beyond belief owners rules.
“I used to stand next to hundreds of guys in the piss flowing Jungle and that was all we ever spoke about was shares and power and ego and how good it felt to be so far up ourselves and be a rich smug capitalist. “
Said Twilight zone Dimothy.
The most contentious decision not discussed or mentioned on the show. It sure would have been interesting to hest the audio on that one.
hear *
And you want to protest about fascists in a 16 to 1 numbers of Huns against Dims in a bent and twisted environment?
From Jungle rebels to all seated virtue signalling pretentious prks manipulated by fake media liars.
RTE is Ireland’s version of back door BBC scumbaggery.
RTE gave a long winded and deliberately non interupted platform to Fintan O’Fool of the Irish fakestream media, so that he could desecrate the utterly fantastic beyond belief, Wolfetones.
O’Fool called the Wolfies – Sectarian, religious bigots, singing in praise of terrorism which achieved nothing for the Irish people, and celebrating the murder of thousands of innocent British people, and prolonging Ireland’s bitter past which Irish people wanted to move on from….etc, etc, yada, yada.
The Wolfies sat there looking at each other as much as saying “Is this prk for real?”
And when it came the Wolfies chance to respond….there were constant interruptions usually after every 2nd word….by the RTE & O’Fool blatant Masonic pack….and the Wolfies were slain as ‘all White’ and not diverse enough for the new Ireland…which soon voted to murder babies and Ireland’s young folk held street parties to celebrate…Ireland…was no more.
Night, all.
If only all the multi monikers were real- there’d have been Mullyins of us in George Square- tricolours flying proudly amongst the Butchers Aprons.
Mon the Blueshirts!
Whatever your views on VAR let’s at least be grateful that important and on occasion game-changing refereeing decisions, are now being discussed in a sensible and transparent way. The cloak of darkness and secrecy has apparently been drawn back.
I have not been ‘champing at the bit’ to castigate and condemn VAR – I actually think we have a positive balance overall in our VAR account since its inception. It’s the inconsistency that has been the bugbear from the get go.
I agree with those who say that there must no wholesale re-refereeing from off the field of play. The criteria for the involvement of VAR must be crystal-clear and kept to an absolute minimum to protect the flow and integrity of the game – we can’t have ‘The Beautiful Game’ destroyed by a never ending stream of technical stoppages. That might provide a ‘good show’ for the broadcasters but it will destroy the game for supporters……and we all know what football would be without them.
It is actually quite funny or sadly pathetic.
Scullybhoy
True
ur spiritual home at Parkhead was to be no more, we were moving to the new found land – Cambuslang.
The plans revealed in April 1992 included:
A 52,000 all seater stadium
Two Park & Ride rail stations from Glasgow city centre
A retail village including major stores and car showrooms
Parking for 4500 vehicles
A Celtic Heritage museum
Integrated Sports and Leisure facilities
A permanent performance stage
Mobile acoustic curtain enclosing up to 15,000 seats
An eight-screen cinema complex
A 30-lane ten-pin bowling alley
Drive-through fast food restaurants
Petrol station
Office units
Room for further expansion
Total cost, we were informed, was £100m and initially 32,000 seats (the two touchline stands) would be built with the rest to be added later.
Rugby is full of potential technical fouls – offside being the most obvious – and the referee has some direct input as to when a player must “use the ball” at rucks and subsequently, when the opposing player is then allowed to legally tackle.
There is no such equivalent situation in fitba. If players wish to stray offside or foul an opposition team member anywhere on the pitch either through poor positioning or bad challenges, they are entirely free to do so. The referee is there to spot foul play and deal with the consequences – not to act as an on field coach.
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Re the ref advising the sevco player and whether they would do so for a Celtic player , well i can verify that they have done it for us.
I distinctly remember one of the officials telling a celt that he would be getting a red card, red card.
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Poor John Doyle and Scottish referees.