The Scottish Football League today placed an upper limit on which division Sevco can play in next season – their Third. We must now wait on the company providing sufficient information to complete their application to the SFL and for membership of the Scottish FA. Although many Rangers fans want Sevco to join the Third Division, chief exec Charles Green was clearly hoping to start life higher up the food chain.
The overwhelming nature of this verdict indicates the solidarity between clubs and fans, throughout the divisions, on how our sport is governed. This is a good thing but it leaves one burning question on the table:
Is the Scottish Premier League insolvent?
Last week SPL chief exec Neil Doncaster told SFL clubs that the Premier League would be unable to meet its contractual obligations if they did not vote Sevco into the First Division. Unless this was a shameless lie designed to bully clubs into giving Doncaster what he wanted, the Scottish Premier League Ltd should seek to appoint an administrator without delay.
You can ignore comments about league reconstruction at some unspecified point in the future, Doncaster told us last year that “those who want 16 teams in the top flight are deluding themselves.”
The Scottish Football League does not need the SPL, or its money, to continue to thrive as a community-based sporting entity. They will flourish. What happens to the SPL remains to be seen.
As we have observed once or twice before, M. Platini, where are you? We need the football world to assist with the survival of the game in one of its historic heartlands.
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kitalba on 14 July, 2012 at 08:03 said:
Lived in Brisbane for 5 years now although FIFO a lot to/from WA.
The 00.30 Perth – Brisbane I’ve caught it a few times myself and woke up thinking I was dead.
I work in the city, not too far from O’Mallies if you fancy a beer one Friday lunch time, I’m yer man.
kitalba on 14 July, 2012 at 08:21 said:
I’ll hold you to that, off to WA for 3 or 4 weeks on Tuesday though so no fun for me for a while.
SunnyBhoy
Are you working in the rail side in WA?
DiCanioWasADream on 14 July, 2012 at 08:25 said:
I’m currently in Cape Lambert, Rio Tinto wharf site. Are u working over there?
No but trying to get into the rail side, I am working in Adelaide as a train driver and have been trying to get in to rio for a while.
DiCanioWasADream on 14 July, 2012 at 08:31 said:
Good luck – it looks quite a job. These trains pull a ridiculous amount of iron ore.
SunnyBhoy
Thanks.
They are having another intake in September so I’ll just keep trying.
saltires en sevilla on 14 July, 2012 at 04:08 said:
…temples of syrinx…
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
R(IL)/Newco/Orangemen/SFA Executives/Scottish Freemasonry –
… Withered hearts, and cruel tormented eyes
scheming demons dressed in Kingly guise
beating down the multitude
and scoffing at the wise
HH BGFC_OnHolidayInCaliforniaLovingTheirDemiseCSC
SunnyBhoy:
No worries, give me a shout when you get back. Actually I’m just off the phone to Ramie, he’s been in Sydney these past few days working the bollixs off (sic) at a sales conference. If you fancy a beer with a like minded man in Perth, you’d do worse than to give him a shout, you’d enjoy his company and if you play golf, prepare to get beat.
dbbia:
Ramie was saying that his wife, who is on holiday with Kano and Caroline, was telling him that Kano is having a good time but does not know the full extent of just how far the charlatans of Ibrox have fallen.
Those from back home have a tradition here of ‘Christmas in July’, Kano, with his holiday, is celebrating ‘Christmas in July’ the biggest present he is going to get is when he gets back Monday night and Ramie brings him up to date.
SunnyBhoy:
I used to work with Rio Tinto Alcan.
Twitter
“Away out for a bit of social unrest, see you at the sacking of Edinburgh Castle” ……..He He…..
Sometimes when I’m on Newsnow I click on the R*ngers link, to see which latest knight in tinfoil armour plans to buy Eh Bers with his fictional billions. Today I was amused to see that they are gone from the SPL list and are now found in the miscellaneous, “Scottish League” section. Hahahahahaha.
Morning,
Goian reneges on promise to remain at Ibrox.
lol!!!
Cheers kitalba, I usually fly direct to Karratha for this project though.
SunnyBhoy:
Gorgon?
It will be quite a daunting challange for the daft wee new huns in Division 3 next season, they are up against clubs with a proud history who have actually won things in the game.
Annan Athletic
East of Scotland Premier League:
Winners: 1989–90, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2006–07
Berwick rangers
Scottish League Division Two:
Winners: 1978–79
Scottish League Third Division:
Winners: 2006–07
Clyde FC
Scottish Football League First Division/Scottish B Division/Scottish League Division Two
Winners: 1904-05, 1951-52, 1956-57, 1961-62, 1972-73
East Stirlingshire F.C.
Scottish League First Division
Winners: 1931-32
Elgin City FC
Highland League Champions: 1931/32, 1934/35, 1952/53, 1955/56, 1959/60, 1960/61, 1962/63, 1964/65, 1965/66, 1967/68, 1968/69, 1969/70, 1973/74, 1989/90.
Montrose FC
Scottish Football League Division Two:
Winners: 1984–85
Peterhead FC
Highland League: 1946–47, 1948–49, 1949–50, 1988–89, 1998–99
Queens Park FC
Scottish Football League First Division (second tier):
Winners: 1922/23, 1955/56
Scottish Cup:
Winners: 1874, 1875, 1876, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1884, 1886, 1890, 1893
Stirling Albion FC
Scottish second tier
Champions (4): 1952–53, 1957–58, 1960–61, 1964–65
Scottish third tier
Champions: 1946–47, 1976–77, 1990–91, 1995–96, 2009–10
Stranraer FC
Scottish Second Division:
Winners: 1993–94, 1997–98
Im sure these clubs will welcome the chase from the daft wee new club.
SaturdayMorningShiftCSC
Will the SFA Approve the Transfer of Rangers’ Membership to Sevco Scotland Ltd?
In which I look at what Sevco Scotland still have to do to get their team actually out onto a playing field. The main issue now is the SFA membership transfer. However, there are various issues which suggest that this might not be a formality, and indeed that it ought not to be.
I look at what the status of the existing membership, held by Rangers Football Club PLC (In administration) is, and whether, with the new “fit and proper person” rules, it can actually be transferred to Sevco at all!
Can it be transferred whilst the various disciplinary matters are still to be determined? Should it be?
And finally, why has there been such a delay by the SFA in dealing with this and the re-establishment of the Appellate Tribunal?
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/will-the-sfa-approve-transfer-of-rangers-membership-to-sevco-scotland-ltd/
Good morning from a sunny Manchester.
Sporting integrity wins the day. Well done the SFL.
Why are hunnites complaining about not being able to sign players?
They haven’t any money.
They haven’t got a club in any league.
Even Div 3 is conditional on providing accounts which they simply don’t have.
Whatever Ogilvie, the architect behind all these grand schemes, is planning, if it results in anything other than acceptance of Div 3, there will be wholesale revolt by every other club in Scotland. Even those who are showing signs of sympathetic leanings won’t stand up against the tide which has overwhelmingly told the SFA/SPL and SFL boards, it’s Div 3 or nothing (& if you can’t satisfy requirements for Div 3 – it’s nothing).
Regardless of all of this, BDO will pull the plug on the whole thing when they take back the asset sale.
RFC (corpus delecti) will be available in a fire sale again – but this one will be run properly, they might get them cheap but not as cheap as CG got them.
I’ll start the bidding at double the price CW paid. But, I am rather nervous that I might be getting sold a ‘pup’.
Where do these mugs get aff?Just seen Gordon Stiff on SSN talking about Newco possibly boycotting other SFL teams.Tiny Annan will be shivering with fear.
Buoys and girls & Bruce Springsteen fans. Wakey Wakey.
@Wee_Oscar has 2 standing tickets for Bruce Springsteen concert for Wed 18th of July kindly donated by T70mediagroup@ulsterlife.
There is a £100 pound starting price on these.
To bid just send an email to teamoscar@hotmail.com with your bid.
MWD
Estadio Nacional on 14 July, 2012 at 09:03 said:
The huns won’t be in the same league as Stranraer next season.
Stranraer have been promoted.
In terms of sporting integrity the huns will never be in the same league as Stranraer.
Can someone c&p the Clyde statement as it won’t open for me.
Ta
2 mins MWD
Delighted that the question of audited accounts is now front and centre: fudging seems to be a no-goer, they ain’t got any!! Hurrah!! They should be wiped from the map as the denial from all parties remain, and the superiority complex from the Duffields of this world (thicky) remains: the Billy Boys would be belted out in Elgin and Peterhead without impunity. I also like Goian’s reference to the ‘4th division!’
Clyde View on SFL Meeting
Fri, 13th Jul 2012 10:19pm
The club chairman attended a very sobering meeting of the SFL today where the 30 clubs voted on resolutions in the manner that they felt were, on balance, for the good of the game. Nobody had arrived at decisions easily and all had been placed in intolerable positions of having to decide without the basic information that would reflect good governance and having to speculate about unresolved matters around sanctions and membership of the SFA that other bodies had so far failed to deal with.
The outcome was never going to be a good one, but it was one of significant unity amongst the clubs, and even where clubs voted differently, it was not a divisive difference of views, everyone understood the complex mix of circumstances facing each club would never deliver unanimity of voting.
We reported this morning prior to the vote of all clubs that “Sevco Scotland Ltd will not be playing in the Third Division in the coming season”. Nothing heard today altered that opinion, in fact, it strengthened it.
For the good of the game we need to see the SFA accept the will of its members, who all voted today, as members of the SFL, in the clear knowledge that the SFA had it in its power to refuse to transfer SFA membership to Sevco Scotland Ltd should the vote support the entry of Sevco Scotland Ltd into SFL 3.
We were asked to respect the confidentiality of those presenting today as only that agreement would allow them to be as candid as they were, we cannot therefore share what was said, however Mr Green left the SFL member clubs in no doubt about what he had been told by the SFA.
The SFL saw a level of unity and unselfishness that owes significant credit to the first division clubs who stated their intention to seek a 42 club solution and not to take part in a divisive alternative. This kind of unity if maintained will help deliver the change that the game so badly needs and the first division clubs in particular will merit.
If the SFA now act to support any process to undermine the clear views of the SFL members, who are also members of the SFA, then this club will join others in questioning those in leadership.
Sadly for our game, this saga is not over, teams cannot plan and that includes Rangers, who may yet be denied the opportunity to play football in SFL 3 because it suits the interests of others.
Estadio Nacional,
You do the mighty Clyde a huge disservice with regards to their history – they have actually won the ole Scoddish Cup two or three times (beat Celtic in a final possibly?)
The Bully Wee may be a “diddy team” to some but for sure they are in the Premier League of integrity.
Look out Newco…
This from twitter this morning- have to say it reflects what i’ve been thinking, in that I don’t think this is finished yet.
“Tony McKelvie @TonyMcKelvie
A thought: SFA refuse membership transfer from RFC to Sevco; Sevco takes year out; SFA restructure leagues; Sevco enter new set up near top”.
Either that or the AT is hastily reconvened and Sevco are suspended for a year and admitted to SPL2 at the beginning of next season.
Listened to Gordon Smith on SSB last night. This man is an utter embarrassment. For someone who was Chief Exec of the SFA he really knew….SFA. He was unable to explain anything in relation to the administrative processes relating to a new club getting access to the Scottish professional leagues.His problem, as with many, is that he does not want to admit that RFC, once liquidated, are effectively no more and that the history of that defunct club is not transferrable. I really honestly wish that the media would hire people who understand the implications of liquidation and can articulate this for everyone’s benefit. There more truth in Billy No-Well’s latest offering than anything Smith came out with last night.
ernie lynch 09:28
I got those teams from the ever reliable bbc site… Must be chris mclaughlin that is in charge of making sure things are right.
EN
In Malaysia for a few days R&R. I’m concerned on what the future holds for the game. Financially it has been in dire straits for a number of seasons.
Paul, what dies the future hold if as expected many teams go into administration?
The silence from our board concerns me although I do trust the board.
Hail Hail
SPC
When they are finally liquidated what happens to the name and badge and crest ?
Do they have to change all, some, or none? Seems to me if your company goes mammary s up then company logo and such like should be binned.
Morning all my fellow tims with our history still intact.
And I for one am damned if they’re going to get away with it again.
So the blazers can scheme and scam all they like to try and shoehorn through an EssPeeEll2.
Let me tell them this here and now, though: If they get away with it, THEY’RE the ones who’ll kill our game.
Yes, it might let them keep their precious TV money.
Yes, it might help catapult New Rangers back up the ranks double-quick.
But if in doing so they drive away the last generation of dyed-in-the-wool fans, where’s the profit then?
Because trust me — that’s what will happen. Punters who have put their faith in chairmen on the back of promises to punish the Ibrox club properly would be quite entitled to turn their backs if those promises turned out to be as worthless as just about everything else the EssPeeEll has ever done.
Bloody hell, even Lirrel Roger Mitchell — the former tea boy to the Spice Girls who became the breakaway league’s inaugural chief exec back in 1998 — admitted in print yesterday that it’s an organisation which has long since lost all credibility and is seen as “one big mistake”.
So why on earth would we choose to EXTEND the thing to a second division?
I have said all along that reconstruction is a must, that fairer distribution of income is crucial, that more promotion and relegation is a no-brainer.
What’s a non-starter is the grubby way men like SFA boss Stewart Regan and his EssPeeEll counterpart Neil Doncaster have used change as a stick to beat lower league clubs over the head with — and the way they are now using the threat of a fresh break-away as some sort of punishment for not allowing New Rangers into the First Division.
Their bullying is as transparent as a hooker’s negligee. So let’s be thankful it’s also proving as scary as a sign reading Beware Of the Hamster.
The top 12 clubs have voted overwhelmingly not to let New Rangers into their gang.
The other 30 made it quite clear the Ibrox club must start again from the bottom of the Third Division.
That should be the end of it.
Stop the talking, bin the bickering and get on with preparing for a new season that’s all but become an afterthought.
Sure, once it all kicks off, everyone can get round the table and work towards the package of change that might just drag us back from the jaws of the abyss.
But let’s do it because our game needs it, not just to keep Sky and the Old Firm happy.
Whether yesterday’s decision by the SFL 30 turns out to be one that sends Scottish football to its grave, as Regan and so many others have predicted, remains to be seen.
At least, however, it is one that was made for the right reasons in the eyes of those around the table — for the good of football.
The irony, of course, is that it’s also the decision most Rangers people had long since accepted was the right one.
Only yesterday, as the SFA and EssPeeEll were still scurrying round trying to do deals, former Ibrox captain Richard Gough was writing in this paper that if they were going to be punished, they might as well be punished properly rather than be used so blatantly by the blazers.
Ally McCoist, top right, has said pretty much the same.
Newco chairman Malcolm Murray, bottom right, has apologised for the problems their meltdown had caused and admitted they have to face the consequences.
Fans echoed the thought, maybe even realising the adventure to come could be fun.
Yet STILL Regan and Doncaster persisted with the line that it had to be the First or nothing, that the potential loss of commercial cash meant more than anyone’s integrity.
Ask yourself this question, though: What does it really matter how rich our chosen club is?
It’s not like we get ten per cent of our money back if they make a profit. No chairman ever celebrated a big signing by giving season ticket-holders a free replica shirt with the guy’s name on the back.
No, what the Regans and Doncasters don’t get is that the most important relationship in football — that between punter and team — is not dependant on how much telly money comes in or which business has its name on the kit or even what division we’re in.
We’re not in this to take, we’re in it to give. We give our cash, our love, our time, patience and emotions.
We hope, we pray, we curse, we cry and — now and again — we celebrate like there’s no tomorrow.
In my case, born into a St Mirren-daft family, this is how it’s been whether we’re losing 5-0 at East Stirling or winning the Scottish Cup.
It makes no odds. They are our team, through thin and thinner.
This is what proper Rangers fans have slowly come to accept over the past few months, that when the dust settles and the rammy’s over, at least they’ll still have a club to support.
It may be run by chancers who bought it for washers and now claim they’d want £50million for it, be owned by a man in Charles Green who’s yet to pass any kind of Fit And Proper Person Test, have Craig Whyte looming in the background, a first team squad that can’t make up five-a-sides in training and a youth system in disarray.
But it’s alive.
And so, no matter what the prophets of doom say, is Scottish football.
In fact, this morning this battered game of ours is breathing all that stronger for the courage of those 30 SFL clubs to make the choice they did yesterday.
If Regan and Doncaster can’t see that and let their plans to divide and conquer drop? Well, maybe they’re the ones who should be pondering where their futures lie.
Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/4428954/Dont-let-em-shaft-us-again.html#ixzz20aIbpX42
Sorry bhoys & girls that article was from Bill Leckie.
Paul McC
Can you tell me why there is this delay in Liquidation…?
And, yes, this is just the beginning of the end ………
I woke up this morning with the weight of all the possible sculduggery ‘aspects’ of this wonderful ‘demise of derhun’ dissipated, and that is a wonderful ……… Everything that happens now is just a BIG bonus, and there is a lot to happen to satisfy justice……. When they sell iPox to a developer, I will require a sedative……..
Wonder if any of them actually realise that their club brought this on itself, and have severely damaged the game (all aspects, except bigotry) ……. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think they would be brought to account for their disgusting arrogance…….
Can’t wait for the new season …….. MON THE HOOPS……The team who conduct their affairs with integrity and honour, as do the vast majority of team’s in Scotland……
I wonder if hector remembers this…
Slan_Abhaile……..BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE on 30 October, 2011 at 00:32 said:
There is a strong argument to say that those who continue to back NL and PL are the ones who are killing this club.
If you want to see change on the park then you need to be that change yourself.
Continually supporting a poor management and executive team will not gain any changes on the park.
When will NL turn it around? Will he suddenly wake up one day and say, “Oh! I have solved it!”?
No.
We have all seen enough of the NL management era and the PL CEO era.
Be the change you want to see.
Take action.
Withdraw your support and let them know you are withdrawing your support.
Unless of course you want to see Celtic continue as losers…
Yes that hurts doesn’t it. The truth always does. We are being lead to another also-ran league position by clueless well meaning amateurs.
Prince of Goalkeepers
I had that same thought a few days ago.
Plan Z version 8.9 might well be to start putting the “punishment process” into full swing by recalling the Appelate Tribunal etc. – suspending them for a year while the leagues get reconstructed. Regan’s statements last night might support this theory.
The good news in this is that they can’t simply pick and choose the bits to follow through, it would imply that the EBT, dual contracts would be back under scrutiny.
I would assume though that anyone restructuring will have to be done without Regan, Ogilvie and Doncaster – otherwise another fan and club revolt is on the cards. Interesting that Clyde’s statement implies unity of Div 1 clubs and the SFL clubs as a whole.
Sevco might gain a year or two under this scenario, but in the meantime, the Rangers legacy must inevitably be torn to shreds.