Celtic’s statement yesterday (available on Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s site) covered a lot of ground. It explained the environment the club operates in, its policies and strategy, gave historical context of their objections to the Offensive Behaviour Bill and on-going opposition to the Act. In short:
Where we are
How we arrived here
What we’re doing about it
Most importantly of all, the club again advertised the Supporters Complaints Review Panel, populated by Celtic fans to investigate and review complaints by fans. The importance of this structure has yet to be fully understood but it is the most significant development in supporter relations since Brother Walfrid said, ‘How you do fancy starting a football club?’
I spoke to three prominent supporters yesterday about the schisms among us, all of us were so dispirited. Fortunately, our good friend Jeanette cheered me up this morning and assured me we are pretty much on the one road (my words and not a cue for a song).
And it was Jeanette Findlay, not Krankie, before you ask.
The football will be back soon, hang on in there.
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Kayal33
That is indeed cringeworthy stuff, written by a hun for the huns.
Interesting statistic out – Slovak football clubs are at the forefront of ALL European clubs at developing and bringing on homegrown talent.
40% of players who come through into the first teams are Slovaks.
This is the highest rate in European football.
Nitra (Lubo’s old team) have the highest precentage among Slovak clubs. They had 20 players in the first team and a further 17 who have come through that academy who now play for International clubs or the Slovak National team.
That is a better statistic than Man U who provide 36 players in the same criteria.
The criteria is players aged 15-21and you need to spend at least 3 seasons at the club where you are developed.
Slovakia has a population of 5.4M
Scotland needs to have a look at this.
moonbeams wd. kano 1000 \o/ supporting neil lennon 100%. champions. c’mon wee oscar.
08:36 on 28 March, 2013
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I’m in, but are we naw walking up to the ground?
V
Scotland produces 15.2% of it’s footballing talent from youth teams.
Is it any wonder we are rubbish?
ernie lynch
would this be the same labour party who campaigned against
prescription charges yet when they were voted in what did they
do .
they increased them
tories, labour all the same
Masterstroke
The whole thing spinning round
Reverberating to the sound
Supporters singing, the Green Brigade
A section of the stand was made
Get together were we can see
A singing section was the key
Individuals can now be seen
Identified, information gleaned
Never was there such a masterstroke
A new law intended to provoke
Club collusion against their own
Police harassment now sets the tone
Serenity
Highly unlikely I’ll be in Glasgow again this season. Would have loved to be in a position to attend demo on 6/4, and would like to commend all that are going and wish them well.
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I’m not sure if Im going to be here for the Hibs game but if I am I’ll meet up at George Square.
I’ll bring the balaclavas, you get the steak bakes!
If Motherwell drop points on Saturday and we win on Sunday, we will be able to clinch the league against Hibs. Will the game be moved from 3pm next Saturday to accommodate Sky? If so, to when? Does demo organisers have an alternative if game is move?
K33-Good point,Sevco v QP game live on Sunday ,so a lunchtime KO looks favourite and will clash with demo.
Mrs miki67 here again… I’m gonnae end up joining this site if I’m not careful…just had a right good read…I’m starting to get the facination!!!
Thanks for the good wishes- am printing them out and taking them in today.
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IPCC say if Ex Police Chief Norman Bettison was still in office he would have case to answer re Hillsborough Case,but the coward (now Sir N B) resigned last year.Cue expensive private prosecutions probably.Another Masonic cover-up.
Mrs miki67-He is a helluva man,well liked on these pages,we have been humbled by his strength and spirit.Prayer said.HH (Hail Hail)
Danso_1888
Fine post sir.
Paul67 take note.
HH
Mrs Miki 67
Hee hee addictive innit! All the best to Mr Miki 67 and you take good care of yourself too
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Celtic fan who wore top with “insulting” slogan to Rangers match fails in breach of the peace conviction appeal http://fb.me/1Ea8tKgYx
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Mrs Miki,
I don’t know your husband but I do very much enjoy his contributions on here.
My best wishes to both of you and I hope Miki67 gets home soon.
Miki67
go for it ghirl
you and yir man are legend
prayers
HH
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09:33 on
27 March, 2013
Morning, Dorset ghal Mrs Miki67 here. Just to let you know that Miki67 is having a spell in hospital…think he timed it on purpose whilst not many matches on! He’s recovering from an infection and wanted me to let you know he’ll be out to torment you soon!
HH!
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Haste ye back Mikibhoy!
Mrs Miki67
pass on my best wishes…
Vmhan
You and I are obviously a cuppla dafties cos I asked about the taxi swell.
Mwd
Is tommy from glasgow being hired for the gs to cp run ;)
Vmhan
Is the bus going to this?
auldheid @ 10.33am .
Thanks for posting that very eloquent clip. I am sure if the caller had been given more space he could have elaborated on the role of Duff and Phelps. They were appointed to be administrators on the road to liquidation and most creditors would have expected them to secure some funds on their behalf. Did they do that or did they work out a nice little earner for the select few on the inside track? Over to the very silent BDO.
The Boy Jinky-I’m Tommy fae Glasgow,pick ye up nae borra :}
Surprised plod haven’t lifted him yet.
Article about Brian Quinn..
When Brian Quinn stepped down as chairman of Celtic in 2007, he thought his involvement with football would return to solely being a supporter.
Brian Quinn expected his involvement in football to end when he left Celtic
He was 72, “when it’s usually time for pipe and slippers”, and turned down an approach to join the board of an English club. Then UEFA made him an offer. The subject was regulation, and finances, and Quinn, as a former economist and banker, along with his passion for the game, could not resist.
Quinn often refers back to the banking industry. He might be irked by the irresponsibilities and excesses that were widespread in the industry in recent years, but he recalls, too, the way banks needed to be curbed in the 1970s and 1980s. During a presentation to Scottish clubs at Hampden last week on Financial Fair Play rules, Quinn even referred to the Basle Committee, which imposed regulations on the banking industry.
Quinn rose to the position of deputy governor of the Bank of England, and was chairman of Celtic for seven years, following five years as a non-executive director. These two areas of his life combined when he was asked to play a central role in drawing up the Financial Fair Play rules. Quinn now sits on the Club Financial Control Body, which imposes the FFP rules on teams that compete in UEFA competitions.
“We’re trying to bring some order into European football finance,” said Quinn, “and by derivation into football in general because there is no doubt that the behaviour of the clubs at the very top does have an effect that runs right down through the game. So you have clubs like Dunfermline and others who get into difficulty. The effort is to save the game from a gradual and damaging deterioration in the condition of football from the clubs at the top level to clubs much further down.”
The Financial Fair Play rules require clubs to break even – although there is a sliding scale of “acceptable deviations” to allow inward investment – between income and expenditure. The accounts are assessed over a three-year period, and the system is designed to be an additional form of regulation on top of the club licensing scheme.
The latter is applied by each national association, while FFP will be policed by UEFA. Yet many individual national associations are introducing their own form of FFP to apply to all their domestic clubs. In theory, the system would have prevented the crises that afflicted Rangers last season and now Dunfermline Athletic, since clubs are obliged to keep up to date with all due payments and to operate as going concerns.
The Scottish Football Association, in conjunction with member clubs and through the auspices of the Club Licensing committee, are looking into a model of FFP for Scotland. The system is designed to prevent clubs falling victim to financial troubles but also to promote good governance and transparency.
“The Bundesliga has a kind of financial fair play, and they were one of the principle forces to get the financial fair play rules put in place,” said Quinn. “Whenever everybody is being damaged by something it’s in their ultimate interests to do something about that. Financial Fair Play is a way to stop the mismanagement of football clubs, which is mostly player wages but also debt.”
The FFP rules are a form of soft wage cap, since clubs will have to limit their spending in line with their revenues. Some clubs continue to spend more than 100% of their income on wages, but that is unsustainable in the long-term. FFP would, in effect, also prevent rich individuals pushing clubs into the elite, such as Roman Abramovich at Chelsea or the Qatari owners of Paris St-Germain.
Yet a benefactor could still buy a club and invest in its business to drive up revenues. The process would just take longer. Most chairmen welcome FFP – and many leading clubs in the ECA lobbied for it – because it curtails the extravagant spending that can become rife. Now, chairmen can say to their manager and fans that spending has to be curbed by necessity. “[Player wages] is the obvious place to look,” said Quinn. “As a rule, 70% of clubs’ expenses represent remuneration, and too often some clubs pay more than that. It’s not a strict criterion in the Financial Fair Play rules but it’s one of the factors that will be examined and taken into account when you’re looking at whether or not a club is failing to meet the going concern criteria.”
If clubs breach the UEFA FFP rules, they will be investigated by the panel that Quinn sits on, while another will then act upon any judgement by imposing a sanction, from a fine to a ban from UEFA competitions. Quinn expects a game of intrigue with some clubs. “If you regulate anything and there are big prizes at stake then, no sooner have the parties agreed to a regime to stop the nonsense, they get down to trying to find a way round it.,” Quinn said. “I’d be astonished if that didn’t happen. Our job, as the financial control body, is to see where abuse or mischief might be arising and to stop it. We take that very seriously.”
During his time at Celtic, Quinn could see the direction the game was travelling in. Now, it is stark. Over the past five years, revenues in the top divisions have grown 24%, while employee costs have risen by 38%. Cumulative losses across Europe in 2007 were £512m, and by 2011 they were £1.5bn. “Fergus McCann rescued Celtic once from serious financial difficulties but again the competitive pressures in Scottish football, the pressure from the fans, the unwillingness to try to recoup it all through season-ticket sales, meant it was a continuing problem,” Quinn said.
“I didn’t leave and then think, I must now propagate that widely. But then I thought, this matters a lot, for a game that I love, that I’ve been dedicated to, that I’ve worked in and maybe some of the experiences I’ve had as a regulator in another field could be relevant. It needs doing.”
all have ran a team at ipox at a loss
david murray
craig whyte
duff and duffer……(ffs they were meant to save them….my fav)
charles green……..( could be the out right winner soon)
JCGE
jam67
Bada
It would not be fare if tommy was lifted in his taxi….. would be rank rotten luck… wonder who would tip the police off
Mrs Miki67
Best wishes to you and yer mhan!
HH!!
miki67 @ 11:39
Mrs miki, best wishes to you both and the family.
PS – did you both have the same speeling teacher
take care
The Boy Jinky-There’s a boundary for they jokes….
Bada
Im hacked off
Do taxi drivers still have the Irn Bru bottle wedged behind the meter?
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