Bobby Collins left Celtic in 1958 after nine years’ service. He’d won the Cup, the Double, the Coronation Cup, and, of course, the 1957 League Cup Final – Hampden in the Sun, Celtic 7, Rangers 1.
He went on to have a great career at Everton and to make a transformational contribution to Leeds United, but he will forever be a team mate of Sean Fallon, Willie Fernie, Bertie Peacock, Neil Mochan and Charles Patrick Tully. Our thoughts go to his family and friends today.
Over the last year or so we’ve asked the question, how many appearances a player needs to make in a well-scouted league to allow an agile club to discover him, before the hoards arrive and price-away any value in him?
Victor Wanyama made 50 appearances in Belgium before we nabbed him but he was knocking back substantially improved contracts from Celtic after only 30 games (which is a different point); England had already taken notice. Virgil van Dijk made 62 appearances for Groningen, would we have been able to sign him on the kind of money we did if he’d stayed for another 30-or-so games? It’s unlikely.
Amido Balde made 27 top flight appearances before arriving here, while Teemu Pukki played 37 times for Schalke – enough to score 8 times but there would have been little game time for Celtic scouts to watch him.
In the summer we concluded that there was a 50-80 game value opportunity. Below this and you’ll struggle to find a player who has developed sufficiently for our agile scouts to be on the case and to do their work properly. Above this and any player worth a punt will be packing stands with scouts from all over Europe.
If we’re signing someone without the necessary miles on the clock, he’s a punt and should be considered off strategy. If we’re singing someone who has been watched by dozens of scouts, chances are, at best, he will be no more than a decent return on our money, there will be no hidden value.
Stefan Johansen has made 67 top flight appearances for Norwegian champions, Stromsgodset. Enough for him to develop into a player who can attract the most agile to Norway, not enough for him to attract those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database, so he’s on strategy, as far as our 50-80 game value opportunity theory goes.
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kikinthenakas
20:46 on 14 January, 2014
Aye…where’s Lennybhoy’s Pass for the Boardroom…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
kikinthenakas
Hip op ? you an ole Calton Tongues should do the half time draw on Saturday..
……a kind of negative Tiller ghirls.
winning captains
20:44 on
Did you see my earlier post re thhe reply I got from Commonwealth Games Glasgow committee over the safety at Ibroke issue?
Just my opinion mind, for you Bhoys picking the team for Saturday if Joe Ledley is not going to sign a new contract I wouldnt have him anywhere near the first team again.Give the youngsters a chance who want to pay for our great club. H.H.
Big cup winners
It is distressing for the advisors also.trying to stay professional when dealing with telephone operators who have no idea… O(
79caps
19:58 on
14 January, 2014
Sidney Tim
Didn’ t you see the goals scored by Pukki and Balde in Turkey against a team that is far superior to anything we face in Scotland?
Our strikers: Stokes, Pukki, Balde, Fridjonsson, Atajic, Watt, plus very good prospect Denny Johnstone, and the surplus-to-requirements Mo Bangura. [not counting Samaras].
How many do you want?
Eh,just the one thanks.One that actually scores goals regularly.Unlike Stokes,Pukki,Watt.The rest I will reserve judgement on until they have played a decent amount of games.Oh and you can add Sammi and Bangura to the not really strikers list.
Lennybhoy
Surprised I got an invite!
VP
Could be an interesting half time draw…..the 2nd half would be started before we got down the stairs!
Kikinthenakas
Lennybhoy
That hat will go with your trainers.
JFH
Don’t you think that Ledley should be given the opportunity to say farewell if he is indeed for the off?
BCW 20.48, support and endorse your entire post mate. Keep saying it long and loud. Foodbanks are saving lives, keeping families whole, preserving childrens’ futures. Seeing it every day, to society’s shame :-(
Turkeybhoy 20:53 on 14 January, 2014
It could be worse. At least Celtic are not having trouble scoring goals.
Joe Filippis Haircut
Joe Ledley has been and still is a Celtic player and he’s played well for us, hopefully the management team aren’t as childish as you Mate..
It’s ma baw you’re no playin’
Party politics and politicians…….stick them up their self serving erses.
They have no interest in anything remotely altruistic.
Leeching,talentless,individuals only capable of making a living from the public purse.
It takes a particular type of person to go into party politics…..beyond contempt they are.
AnarchyintheUKCSC
Mad SNP lovers at it again
Same pish different day
Vacuous argument promulgated by …ach I’ll refrain from insults
As for the tosh that a No vote can be equated with some form of closet OO support…that has to be the worst line ..thus far ..in this turgid saga
Hamiltontim. I suppose that is a fair point so instead of bringing on Balde in the 86th minute bring on Joe.Would that keep you happy? H.H.
DavieL
20:29 on
14 January, 2014
AKBW1888
I don’t normally comment on politics on a football blog but as someone that cares deeply about the social injustice in our “best little country” – where in Glasgow nearly 1 in 4 children live in poverty – I cannot let your ignorance go.
Foodbanks cannot just be accessed by anyone claiming to be “poor” – social work, citizens advice, the church etc have tests that are applied and the claimants receive tokens to use at the food banks. Yes they are genuinely in need, yes they are in many cases starving.
I’ve seen the poverty in our city, the impact that it has on our children and the majority of our citizens simply ignore it, shut their eyes and ears and pretend its not true – well it is and it’s a disgrace. Perpetuated by our SNP government who use vote winning gimmicks like free prescriptions and free school dinners rather than use that money to properly help those living in poverty.
I cannot believe that a Celtic supporter made that post. Go away and learn about your subject before you post such absolute drivel.
Apologies Paul – don’t normally rant but one of the reasons for my strong connection to Celtic is our approach to charity – our Foundation, led by one of cqn’s original posters big Tony is a shining example of that.
Hail! Hail!
DavieL
I did not mention this point in the first instance is was the other poster who was raising
these points and good to hear that each claim is means tested
But also if one really looks into this matter it’s also a social problem as well
for example one might be getting welfare money and using said money to
fund intoxication habits and where neglect also comes into the equation as
well. There is work out there in fact you only have to switch on the TV & notice
that Reed Employment Agency are advertising 150,000 Jobs across the UK
& That’s just one Employment Agency when there are dozens of others as
well. There is other reasons that people can’t find work because either they
are too old in other words Employers are looking for younger people or through
addiction to either alcohol or drugs hence society’s social problem but I’ve
heard the the DWP are creating courses/trades to get people back into work
& as for addiction well people need to be serious in changing their ways of
Life Style to break their terrible habit so one can’t say that this problem is not
caused by the above facts and needs to be seriously addressed it’s like some
people have children but don’t really want children and the responsibility that
this brings & the affordability to have children while others who want children
but can’t have children due to either production/chemical reaction problems
So these types of situations have to look @ adoption point being neglect
also comes into the equation as regards paying for food or money going
towards food by parents I’m not knocking said Charity runned Food Banks
which in some genuine cases need to be made available for one reason
nor another. I also donate money myself to certain Charity’s & I’ve also
sponsored a child overseas in a poor Country. The point I was trying to
get across to said blogger was that there was no welfare state back in
1887 as opposed to 2013/14 & So on.
I’ve also in the past gave money to our Club’s Foundation & Other
Charity Causes & I’ve also along with others carry out on-going fund
raising Charity Events so I’m well aware of the good that Charity does
I’m not knocking it anyway we now digress on that point.
JFH
Nope I’d play him from the start regardless of contractual differences.
I like Ledley and I think that in his time at Celtic he’s served us well.
Starry Plough. If you think any player who is looking to his next move away from Celtic will give 100% in a game you think very differently from me fella. H.H.
voguepunter & kikinthenakas,
I’ll have you know I’m fighting fit now thank you very much!
kikinthenakas,
Hope yer rehab is going well.
You get into the boardroom and I have to sit next to hamiltontim.
Who got the better deal?
I’m out. Right wing mail reading rubbish on CQN…
Turkeybhoy
But how do you know that the next one you sign will score regularly? Do you think we can afford to buy Falcao or Suarez?
Watt is scoring great goals in Belgium when he plays despite his problems with the manager there.
The Icelandic boy hasn’ t played yet.
I’m not a big fan of Stokes but he has not been missing lots of chances – we simply don’ t create enough chances.
I think our problem is more in midfield where we play one too many defensive midfielders – Brown, Mulgrew, Ledley. The 4-2-3-1 system we played against Trabzonspor is much better IMO.
kikinthenakas
20:55 on 14 January, 2014
Enjoy…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Calton Tongues
Was thinking of you today mate,whilst driving by yir pub.
Good to hear that all is well.hh
‘As with the Christian religion,the worst advertisement for Socialism is it’s adherents’
George Orwell
Good evening friends
Ryecatcher
Anyone over the age of 16 who advocates anarchy as any sort of viable alternative should be put on an island together where they can kick each other on the shins until they faint.
Evening Jobo.
Joe Filippis Haircut
I think differently from you Joe yeah maybe but it seems we have a brigade of fans who as soon as someone moves into contract talks it’s GTF to said player, that to me is a bit fickle and that fickleness in football supporters has always got on my tits.
Joe Ledley until he leaves will get 100% support from this Tim, the man has proven himself to be professional on all levels since he arrived at Celtic Park and for him to suddenly be different just doesn’t ring true to me.
voguepunter
20:59 on 14 January, 2014
Green Samba are the business…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Pfayr-only 10 months to go……….
Pfayr
Say what you want but it cannot be denied that unionists and Loyal Orange Order are. Both fighting for the same thing. A right wing Westminster Government: because has always been the result
Evening Jobo…..no time for your bed?
Hi Jobo. H.H.
jobo baldie
21:11 on 14 January, 2014
What’s the weather like?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
BT/fieldofdrams
I believe the Conservatives ploy is twofold: reduce expectation amongst our young and to make those in work so fearful of claiming benefits, that they will accept anything employers choose to offer.
The Tory’s ultimate aim is, as always, to take.
HT
That’s no gonna work…shoooooorly one would faint before the other?
Starry Plough. I did say it was my opinion and you are entitled to your opinion mind you in order to make it you didnt need the childish remarks it kind of lets you down fella. H.H.
Vp
No if they make contact at exactly the same moment. It’s all about timing!