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Bobby Collins left Celtic in 1958 after nine years’ service.  He’d won the Cup, the Double, the Coronation Cup, and, of course, the 1957 League Cup Final – Hampden in the Sun, Celtic 7, Rangers 1.

He went on to have a great career at Everton and to make a transformational contribution to Leeds United, but he will forever be a team mate of Sean Fallon, Willie Fernie, Bertie Peacock, Neil Mochan and Charles Patrick Tully.  Our thoughts go to his family and friends today.

Over the last year or so we’ve asked the question, how many appearances a player needs to make in a well-scouted league to allow an agile club to discover him, before the hoards arrive and price-away any value in him?

Victor Wanyama made 50 appearances in Belgium before we nabbed him but he was knocking back substantially improved contracts from Celtic after only 30 games (which is a different point); England had already taken notice.  Virgil van Dijk made 62 appearances for Groningen, would we have been able to sign him on the kind of money we did if he’d stayed for another 30-or-so games?  It’s unlikely.

Amido Balde made 27 top flight appearances before arriving here, while Teemu Pukki played 37 times for Schalke – enough to score 8 times but there would have been little game time for Celtic scouts to watch him.

In the summer we concluded that there was a 50-80 game value opportunity.  Below this and you’ll struggle to find a player who has developed sufficiently for our agile scouts to be on the case and to do their work properly.  Above this and any player worth a punt will be packing stands with scouts from all over Europe.

If we’re signing someone without the necessary miles on the clock, he’s a punt and should be considered off strategy.  If we’re singing someone who has been watched by dozens of scouts, chances are, at best, he will be no more than a decent return on our money, there will be no hidden value.

Stefan Johansen has made 67 top flight appearances for Norwegian champions, Stromsgodset.  Enough for him to develop into a player who can attract the most agile to Norway, not enough for him to attract those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database, so he’s on strategy, as far as our 50-80 game value opportunity theory goes.
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  1. leftclick Together we will get justice for the Dam 5 on

    The Battered Bunnet

     

    Was David Low involved with Fergus ?

  2. BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS ………FC not PLC

     

    15:37 on 14 January, 2014

     

    ………………..Perhaps the SNP are regretting their role in elevating Thatcher to power?

     

    ………………..

     

    There was a general election and the tories won, nuff said

  3. Steinreignedsupreme on

    AKBW1888 16:14 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Back in our super Centenary Season that car was considered gallus.

  4. Oh dear lol @celticstateaidcase lol

     

     

    @RangersStandard @CoplandRoadorg @williammcmurdo New account to pull together all the info, blogs etc on Celtic State Aid case. Please RT.

  5. Philbhoy - Free the Dam 5! on

    Burgas Hoops

     

     

    Beautiful animals!

     

     

    My daughter, 13, is desperate for a dog.

     

     

    However, there is noone home all day and I don’t think it’s fair on the dog.

     

     

    Now, I am coming up to retirement age and if i do pack it in I may reconsider.

     

     

    A mate of mine has 2 Alaskan malumets (sp) but they are a handful.

     

     

    He tried to pull them apart when they were fighting and ended up in the Royal!

  6. hebcelt

     

    16:18 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    An Tearmann when you correct do you mean the best? That’s down to individual taste, main 3 producers of the black stuff are Charles Macleod (Charlie Barleys) Macleod&Macleod and WJ Macdonald. Hail Hail Hebcelt

     

     

    Yes my friend its all down to taste i agree.I get the MacLeod&Macleod one iat my local giffnock butchers,just i didnt realise there was more than 2 producers.

     

     

    P.S £18 for a slab,goes down well on sunday morningsssssshhhh(ooops salivating lol)

     

     

    Hail Hail

  7. Steinreignedsupreme

     

    16:21 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888 16:14 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Back in our super Centenary Season that car was considered gallus.

     

     

    Aye, I hear you but what was ‘Gallus’ then is a think of the past now.

     

    As the modern cliche states it’s not very comfortable or modern

     

    & how many miles does it get to the gallon?

  8. Steinreignedsupreme on

    The ole Vanguard Spares reckon we’re all up to high doe over the, ahem … ‘land deal’.

     

     

    Quick! Run. We’ve been rumbled…

  9. Has the Norwegian signed yet? What’s the delay, is there a problem?- with each passing hour I begin to wonder.

  10. Hebcelt- Slab means sausage thingy lol @ Tech termsssssshhhhhhh(oops there is that frying sound again

     

     

    Hail hail

  11. Steinreignedsupreme on

    hen1rik 16:22 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Oh no. They’re pulling all their resources together.

     

     

    Be afraid, Timmy. Be very afraid.

  12. When Sir David was chair of the dead club their annual accounts overvalued Ibrox park so much that they looked like they were solvent. Have the newco produced any figures for their valuation of the park or dont they own it, ie who has the deeds?

  13. An Tearmann

     

     

    16:06 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    ‘The finest example of the union,its corruption,its wrongdoing,in all its various bigoted identities sits Ibrox.’

     

     

    ###

     

     

     

    I think you’ve got that wrong, old chap.

     

     

    The wheels only started to come off the show when control of their bank account was transferred from Scotland to England.

     

     

    Only then were they treated the same as other businesses.

     

     

    For some reason that wasn’t the case when matters were being dealt with in Scotland.

     

     

    In this instance the corruption and bigotry is as Scottish as that finest of comestibles, Stornoway black pudding.

  14. leftclick Together we will get justice for the Dam 5 on

    The Battered Bunnet

     

    16:21 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    leftclick

     

     

    Yip, published a book about it.

     

    ——–

     

    I seen him trying to give genuine advice to the deluded ones on finances and what they should do (months ago) obviously they new better & didn’t listen.

  15. I’ve just had to throw away this Blue wait the Spivs favourite colour

     

    non-refillable lighter it has the same outcome as the Spivs favourites

     

    basically it worked for a while but did not last too long oh what a shame

     

    aye right. :-) :-)

  16. Steinreignedsupreme on

    AKBW1888 16:26 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Aye, I hear you but what was ‘Gallus’ then is a think of the past now.

     

    As the modern cliche states it’s not very comfortable or modern

     

    & how many miles does it get to the gallon?

     

     

    ——–

     

     

    It was a turbo-charged babe magnet that soon made you forget about blowing it all on black.

     

     

    Miles to the gallon applied in other areas when you had a Golf in the 80s.

  17. Steinreignedsupreme

     

    16:27 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    The ole Vanguard Spares reckon we’re all up to high doe over the, ahem … ‘land deal’.

     

     

    Quick! Run. We’ve been rumbled…

     

     

    Yeh,got to admit we are eh.lol

     

    In reply to half conversation with a fan on his 2nd identity(we never have full convo’s as his hands tend to cover his ears and he stamps feet like a wean)

     

     

    I suggested we stop trading,go into voluntary liquidation,sell our players in the window and any monies leftover(D&P would be appointed of course) would leave enough enough for a coat of paint for Lizzie in the summer.

     

    I detected a deep glint of light in his eye before saying

     

    Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

     

     

    :-))))

     

    Hail hail

  18. Ron Bacardi

     

    16:33 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    When Sir David was chair of the dead club their annual accounts overvalued Ibrox park so much that they looked like they were solvent. Have the newco produced any figures for their valuation of the park or dont they own it, ie who has the deeds?

     

     

    The Creditors/Lenders have ‘The Deeds’ but none of them wants to pick up

     

    the tab for the necessary repairs bills.

  19. Philbhoy

     

     

    Pack dogs by nature so their needs to be an Alfa i’m affraid.

     

     

    Part of owning Husky’s, ive a few battle scars myself -)))

     

     

    You would love a Siberian if walking was your pleasure.

  20. An Tearmann yeah good choice £18 a go is pretty hefty can be bought locally for a whole lot less,I appreciate there are carriage costs and mark up. Keep in touch and I’ll take one down on one of my forays. No more black pudding talk or Ernie will be demanding policy documents again. Hail Hail Hebcelt

  21. as we’re squeezed evermore financially by the sky league down south and the backwash of the rangers nightmare, aswell as recruiting a player who might be good, I hope we keep KC, izzie, CM, vvd, FF, ledley, hoops(joke), JF, AM, lusty, broon.

  22. Enjoy your Black pudding folks,you tae Ernie lol

     

     

    back to the hill and lurking

     

     

    Hail hail

     

     

    Be good

  23. I am Neil Lennon e El Juarez Bravo on

    Good article, and I broadly agree with the sentiment.

     

     

    One thing slightly troubles me though.

     

     

    If Pukki and Balde are to be seen as examples of us ‘taking a punt’, why did we spend the thick end of £5m on them?

     

     

    With the (relatively) limited resources we have, was this not somewhat reckless?

  24. They take their info from tinfoil heed aka Cwissy Gwaham then they are totally f***** :)

     

     

    Oh keep up the good work tinfoil heed it’s letting the spivs run amok :)

  25. An Tearmann

     

     

    16:06 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    ‘The finest example of the union,its corruption,its wrongdoing,in all its various bigoted identities sits Ibrox.’

     

     

    It wasn’t till the global banking collapse in 2007/2008 that Sir Mintys empire finally crumbled

     

     

    Governments had turned a blind eye to the ruinous financial strategies employed by the worlds leading financial banks, particularly in America

     

     

    In Britain both Blair and Brown stayed with the financial free market policies put in place by Thatcher which allowed RBS and BOS to grow to insane levels without any controls or accountability

  26. Steinreignedsupreme

     

    16:36 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888 16:26 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Aye, I hear you but what was ‘Gallus’ then is a think of the past now.

     

    As the modern cliche states it’s not very comfortable or modern

     

    & how many miles does it get to the gallon?

     

     

    ——–

     

     

    It was a turbo-charged babe magnet that soon made you forget about blowing it all on black.

     

     

    Miles to the gallon applied in other areas when you had a Golf in the 80s.

     

     

    So it was a poontang magnet, it’s a bit small for a big guy to sling his

     

    sausage up a close you would end up with cramp in that wee four

     

    wheeler certainly not a vehicle to try out karma sutra in and blowing it

     

    all on the black aye right like blowing it all on the poontang and miles

     

    to the gallon was applied to lifting one’s elbow up and down and sinking

     

    a few aye right that’s if one had any shekels left in ones pocket/bank a/c

     

    Nah, those vehicles nowadays are the ones you see parked up on a

     

    hard shoulder either out of juice or ran into the ground give me a modern

     

    comfortable car any day of the week.

  27. Steinreignedsupreme on

    AKBW1888 16:47 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Surprisingly roomy inside.

     

     

    The Golf that is…

  28. Ron Bacardi

     

    16:21 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS ………FC not

     

     

    For the record.

     

    The person responsible for Thatcher getting into power was Labour’s James Callaghan who got right up the SNP’s noses by rigging the Devolution Referendum with the Forty Per Cent Rule. Otherwise known as the Cunnigham Amendment.

  29. Oh dear @celticstateaid account didn’t last long suspended already.

     

     

    I knew Pedro Lawwell was a quick worker but didn’t know he was that quick.

     

     

    Maybe the account had too much info on us :)

  30. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS .........FC not PLC on

    AN TEARMANN 1606

     

     

    Apols for the delayed reply. iPhone ran oot,too lazy to run after it!

     

     

    I agree with you entirely about Blair. My Dad and I had numerous arguments during his tenure,and I ripped my membership up the day he became leader of the party. Mainly because I refused to vote for him.

     

     

    But it must be remembered that after eighteen years of Tory cuts,the country’s infrastructure needed H-U-G-E investment,and Gordon Brown supplied that.

     

     

    I agree also that he schmoozed the City. But that was more to do with deregulation of the financial sector by Clinton,which led institutions to warn him that they would up sticks to the lighter hand across the water.

     

     

    As for your comment about the dead,it seems that the average waiting time for a burial-in Swindon,at least-is over three weeks. Pretty sure many industrial disputes back then were resolved in less time. And,IIRC correctly,that was a localised strike in Liverpool.

     

     

    Essentially,you seem to remember lots of headlines over the years,but are loathe to look further into the reasons. That’s why I’ve ended up wi a Tory government and my family are stuck wi the SNP.

     

     

    Heyho…

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