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Signing players on and off strategy

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Bobby Collins left Celtic in 1958 after nine years’ service.  He’d won the Cup, the Double, the Coronation Cup, and, of course, the 1957 League Cup Final – Hampden in the Sun, Celtic 7, Rangers 1.

He went on to have a great career at Everton and to make a transformational contribution to Leeds United, but he will forever be a team mate of Sean Fallon, Willie Fernie, Bertie Peacock, Neil Mochan and Charles Patrick Tully.  Our thoughts go to his family and friends today.

Over the last year or so we’ve asked the question, how many appearances a player needs to make in a well-scouted league to allow an agile club to discover him, before the hoards arrive and price-away any value in him?

Victor Wanyama made 50 appearances in Belgium before we nabbed him but he was knocking back substantially improved contracts from Celtic after only 30 games (which is a different point); England had already taken notice.  Virgil van Dijk made 62 appearances for Groningen, would we have been able to sign him on the kind of money we did if he’d stayed for another 30-or-so games?  It’s unlikely.

Amido Balde made 27 top flight appearances before arriving here, while Teemu Pukki played 37 times for Schalke – enough to score 8 times but there would have been little game time for Celtic scouts to watch him.

In the summer we concluded that there was a 50-80 game value opportunity.  Below this and you’ll struggle to find a player who has developed sufficiently for our agile scouts to be on the case and to do their work properly.  Above this and any player worth a punt will be packing stands with scouts from all over Europe.

If we’re signing someone without the necessary miles on the clock, he’s a punt and should be considered off strategy.  If we’re singing someone who has been watched by dozens of scouts, chances are, at best, he will be no more than a decent return on our money, there will be no hidden value.

Stefan Johansen has made 67 top flight appearances for Norwegian champions, Stromsgodset.  Enough for him to develop into a player who can attract the most agile to Norway, not enough for him to attract those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database, so he’s on strategy, as far as our 50-80 game value opportunity theory goes.
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  1. JonnyRambo67

     

     

    17:42 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    ‘Ernie Lynch

     

     

    What brand of Tory do you vote for? Blue, Red or Yellow?’

     

     

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    You forgot the ones who’ve promised to cut Corporation tax. The Tartan Tories.

  2. I’m predicting that SSB’s line on today’s sevco share dealings (if the subject is mentioned at all) will be that the share price has risen over the course of the day so everything is just fine and there’s no need for panic.

  3. corkcelt- SUPPORTING THE DAM 5 on

    Well Paul George story is verified by Celtic so that is one deffo loan deal done.

  4. Ernie-that subject ,and the roof coming down on Saturday will be taboo.Uncle Jack and a Head of News and Sport have a lot in common….allegedly

  5. tictaewin

     

     

    16:27 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Has the Norwegian signed yet? What’s the delay, is there a problem?- with each passing hour I begin to wonder.

     

     

    Most likely the margin of sell on fee strom will recieve.

  6. CorkCelt

     

     

    That story about Paul George has not yet been confirmed by the Hoops

     

    Official website although said website could take some time to be updated

     

    however PG going to Hamilton for the rest of the Season will give the Bhoy

     

    some much needed ‘Game Time’ so therefore it’s not a bad transition

     

    now is it? I think not.

  7. Tim Tanium

     

    17:34 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

     

    Its been said before on CQN that Michael Kelly and Ernie are one and the same, certainly when Ernie was offered the chance by Paul67 to meet with Celtic’s CEO the one and only Pedro! he declined, maybe Paul67 knows…………………..

  8. ‘those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database’

     

     

    ———————————————

     

     

    LOL, belter.

  9. eddieinkirkmichael on

    AKBW1888

     

    17:19 on

     

     

    You really don’t think this country is broke, really? You think the poverty levels for children are acceptable? You think the fact we have foodbanks is acceptable? The list is endless mate and you think we have a good model of economic and social governance?

     

     

    “Scotland also owns £2Bn of the Bank of England’s assets, which might be handy.

     

    Yeah, what proof do you have that Scotland owns £2bn of the Bank of England”

     

    Because it’s our bank as well mate, we paid into it for 300yrs. Oh btw the pound was a Scottish invention, just thought I’d get that in there before you come back with the flawed pound argument ;).

     

     

     

    “International Maritime Court…..”

     

    Because there was no legitimacy in law to change the boundaries and the formular used was completely made up to suit English interests.

     

     

    I’d rather not debate politics on this blog and would just say why not go out and do some real research into these issues and take some independent analysis not associated with either the Yes or No sides. I’m no supporter of the SNP, never voted for them and never will. I really don’t think they would have handled the banking crisis any better than the goverments in London. I also don’t think if they had been in power they would have handle the oil wealth any better either. I hope a new Scottish socialist party will emerg some time after we gain Indy, that at least is a dream based in reality, the dream that this country is somehow better off being run from London is frankly laughable and so so sad.

  10. ernie lynch

     

     

    17:49 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    You forgot the ones who’ve promised to cut Corporation tax. The Tartan Tories.

     

     

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    So I suppose you would increase investment in Scotland by increasing corporation tax?

     

     

    Of course if the policies of the Scottish government are not benefitting the people of Scotland, we could always vote them out, a luxury we don’t currently have.

  11. weeman67

     

    18:07 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    How did the Sevco shares end up today…??

     

     

    Exaggerated Lies WeeMan 67 Excellent Year

     

    Their Shares Issues probably thousands to come will still

     

    not get them out of Shit Creek without a paddle.

  12. From macblocaidh

     

     

    Can’t believe @scottishFA have set up a hotline to beat corruption yet @StewartMRegan blocked me for this:

     

     

     

    Dear @StewartMRegan ,

     

     

    As we approach the end of 2013, with football’s governing body doing very little to combat accusations of corruption within the game, we are asking what you and @ScottishFA will bring to the game in 2014.

     

     

    Once facts are established (in conjunction with rules and laws) then perhaps we can all move on and start rebuilding the image of the game in Scotland that is currently lying in the gutter which is partly due to the way the game has been governed over many years, especially the last two.

     

     

    So, will you provide ….

     

     

    a) Transparency?

     

    b) A platform for sporting integrity?

     

    c) Silence?

     

    d) An explanation of why you have rules in place when they can be ignored?

     

    e) An explanation of insolvency laws and how they relate to football clubs?

     

    f) An explanation of what a football club actually is and how it is defined?

     

    g) All of the above?

     

    h) None of the above?

     

    i) Anything as long as you and the conflicted on gets big bonuses?

     

    j) Something else?

     

     

    Looking forward to some honesty within Scottish football and a new start in 2014.

     

     

    Are you the man to provide it?

     

     

    Happy New Year when it comes.

     

     

     

     

    http://t.co/GVZx2mSLCy

  13. Living_in_the_Love_of_the_Commons_People on

    Ernie Lynch-

     

     

    On the brewing political handbags.

     

     

    Lizzie owns 1/6 of all the land on planet Earth. Her wealth is conservatively valued at 30 Trillion. She could end world poverty and starvation 10 times over and still be left with a vast fortune.

     

     

    Now let’s hear some reasons why we should remain subject under her yoke?

  14. pod i

     

     

    17:55 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Caller pulling up Guidi for accusing EC of investigating Celtic when in fact they were investigating complaints made

  15. Pod i

     

     

    18:09 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Phil has tweeted that the transfer is complete

     

     

    Welcome to Paradise Stefan Johansen!

     

     

    Hail Hail!

  16. Living_in_the_Love_of_the_Commons_People

     

     

    18:15 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    I suggest you address your question to the nats. It’s they who want her as head of state, not me.

  17. South Of Tunis on

    Steinregnedsupreme 17 05

     

     

    ” Karadzik ”

     

     

    Radovan Karadzik?———–the Bosnian Serb mass murderer who was one of John Reids boozing pals ?

  18. Living_in_the_Love_of_the_Commons_People on

    You don’t get it. A “Yes” vote is not a vote for the Nats, Labour, or any other of the self-serving public servants. It’s a chance for our children’s children to divorce ourselves from Westminster, who’s members currently boast numerous criminal records.

  19. lionroars67

     

     

    18:05 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    ‘when Ernie was offered the chance by Paul67 to meet with Celtic’s CEO the one and only Pedro!’

     

     

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    To spare Paul67 any embarrassment the offer was to meet someone, no names or positions were mentioned.

     

     

    Not like a nat to embellish a story though, is it?

  20. AKBW1888

     

     

    Do you have the closing price, enjoying the roller coaster that only seems to go one way………DOWN……….

  21. Living_in_the_Love_of_the_Commons_People

     

     

    18:22 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    It’s a chance for us to be ruled by Christine Graham and the like.

     

     

    Not for me, thanks.

  22. weeman67

     

     

    18:23 on 14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888

     

     

    Do you have the closing price, enjoying the roller coaster that only seems to go one way………DOWN……….

     

    ………………..

     

    It is not a rollercoaster more like “the Black Hole”

  23. Living_in_the_Love_of_the_Commons_People on

    ernie lynch

     

     

    18:24 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    It’s a chance for us to take on the Christine Grahams and her ilk and sort it out. It will never happen as long as we remain the red headed step child in the eyes of the City folk.

  24. Any word about the Norwegian bhoy signing?

     

    Like what I’ve heard but confess to not having seen the ghuy at all.

     

    Hopefully the reputation and testimony received from Norwegian observers is correct.

     

    A midfield passer , someone who thinks out the box is what we need although I think Nir what what I’ve seen can do that.

     

     

    However, you can’t have enough great players!

     

     

    Hail Hail

  25. Stairheedrammy on

    I hear the GB are in the process of cashing in their ST’s as there has been no movement from Celtic- even though no GB’er lifted for the much publicised Motherwell “riots” that led to their suspension- looks like no more GB in paradise- we need to turn up the volume of the sweetie papers now

  26. eddieinkirkmichael on

    Just got a reply from the Commenwealth committee re safety at Ibroke

     

     

    Hi Edward

     

     

     

    Many thanks for your email and for highlighting your concerns.

     

     

    On receipt of your email I asked my colleagues in the Venue Management team to investigate further. I have subsequently been advised that on Saturday 11th January at the Rangers v East Fife football match, a steward noticed a piece of roof cladding had been partially detached on the Broamloan Stand of Ibrox Stadium and was moving about in the wind. The damage was assessed and as result 300 supporters were moved from the Broamloan Stand to adjacent areas. I can confirm that following the match repairs were carried out on the affected area and further checks were carried out on other parts of the stadium to ensure the safety of all the supporters.

     

     

    I should highlight that Glasgow 2014 must comply with primary legislation for the safety of spectators at all Venues and are working closely with Glasgow City Council Licensing and Rangers Football Club to ensure the safety of spectators and those working at this Venue. There is regular planned inspections and safety meetings to ensure due diligence in respect of safety and we are confident that this Venue will remain in good operational order for the Commonwealth Games and beyond.

     

     

    I hope this information is helpful, if I can be of any further assistance please do not hesitate to get in touch.

     

     

    Kind regards

     

     

     

     

    If we can be of any further assistance, you can get in touch by emailing the team at contactus@glasgow2014.com

  27. eddieinkirkmichael

     

    18:11 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888

     

    17:19 on

     

     

    You really don’t think this country is broke, really? You think the poverty levels for children are acceptable? You think the fact we have foodbanks is acceptable? The list is endless mate and you think we have a good model of economic and social governance?

     

     

    “Scotland also owns £2Bn of the Bank of England’s assets, which might be handy.

     

    Yeah, what proof do you have that Scotland owns £2bn of the Bank of England”

     

    Because it’s our bank as well mate, we paid into it for 300yrs. Oh btw the pound was a Scottish invention, just thought I’d get that in there before you come back with the flawed pound argument ;).

     

     

    “International Maritime Court…..”

     

    Because there was no legitimacy in law to change the boundaries and the formular used was completely made up to suit English interests.

     

     

    I’d rather not debate politics on this blog and would just say why not go out and do some real research into these issues and take some independent analysis not associated with either the Yes or No sides. I’m no supporter of the SNP, never voted for them and never will. I really don’t think they would have handled the banking crisis any better than the goverments in London. I also don’t think if they had been in power they would have handle the oil wealth any better either. I hope a new Scottish socialist party will emerg some time after we gain Indy, that at least is a dream based in reality, the dream that this country is somehow better off being run from London is frankly laughable and so so sad.

     

     

    Thanks for the response and info but I’m still not convinced that we would be better

     

    off ruining our own affairs International Maritime Court which is no doubt linked with

     

    the EC yes? Is to do with Sea Border Controls yes? But does it really have any say

     

    in who sold and has the rights to drill for Oil there, when said deals have been done

     

    & dusted years ago, I think not. It’s a done deal. Also, if there is still untold amount

     

    of Oil & Gas within the North Sea? Then why are they looking into Fracking? & Bringing

     

    out Electric Cars? & What makes you think that all of a sudden Scotland is going

     

    to sell off their two billion pounds shares within the Bank of England to help to reduce

     

    their debt? & who owns the Bank of Scotland & The RBS? Try the UK Government

     

    & British Taxpayer. & How come when their was a problem @ Grangemouth recently

     

    Some people wanted to go about like a bull in a china shop and cause more problems

     

    which in-turn would have lead to petrol panic buying and Scottish Transport & Shops

     

    going into meltdown and shut-down and I would not knock London in actual fact it’s

     

    now the Financial Hub of Europe and on par with the USA so put that in your pipe and

     

    have a smoke-full thought about it.

     

    As the wise cliche states, if it’s not broke, then why fix it?

     

    As for food-banks, which are Charity Run, does all these so-called folks

     

    who take food from these Food-Banks really need the Food, are they

     

    that poor? Genuine or what? You have heard the story about people

     

    begging on the Street but in actual fact they are well off behind their

     

    so-called distress not everyone is genuine nowadays and people tell

     

    lies and think nothing of it, sad, but so-so true.