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Bobby Collins left Celtic in 1958 after nine years’ service.  He’d won the Cup, the Double, the Coronation Cup, and, of course, the 1957 League Cup Final – Hampden in the Sun, Celtic 7, Rangers 1.

He went on to have a great career at Everton and to make a transformational contribution to Leeds United, but he will forever be a team mate of Sean Fallon, Willie Fernie, Bertie Peacock, Neil Mochan and Charles Patrick Tully.  Our thoughts go to his family and friends today.

Over the last year or so we’ve asked the question, how many appearances a player needs to make in a well-scouted league to allow an agile club to discover him, before the hoards arrive and price-away any value in him?

Victor Wanyama made 50 appearances in Belgium before we nabbed him but he was knocking back substantially improved contracts from Celtic after only 30 games (which is a different point); England had already taken notice.  Virgil van Dijk made 62 appearances for Groningen, would we have been able to sign him on the kind of money we did if he’d stayed for another 30-or-so games?  It’s unlikely.

Amido Balde made 27 top flight appearances before arriving here, while Teemu Pukki played 37 times for Schalke – enough to score 8 times but there would have been little game time for Celtic scouts to watch him.

In the summer we concluded that there was a 50-80 game value opportunity.  Below this and you’ll struggle to find a player who has developed sufficiently for our agile scouts to be on the case and to do their work properly.  Above this and any player worth a punt will be packing stands with scouts from all over Europe.

If we’re signing someone without the necessary miles on the clock, he’s a punt and should be considered off strategy.  If we’re singing someone who has been watched by dozens of scouts, chances are, at best, he will be no more than a decent return on our money, there will be no hidden value.

Stefan Johansen has made 67 top flight appearances for Norwegian champions, Stromsgodset.  Enough for him to develop into a player who can attract the most agile to Norway, not enough for him to attract those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database, so he’s on strategy, as far as our 50-80 game value opportunity theory goes.
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  1. totally off message(s)

     

     

    I wonder if dallas et al are sending ‘joke’ emails about the plethora of English entertainment’s stalwarts who are being investigated/charged with abuse

  2. WeeMan67 &

     

    googybhoy ♥ Celtic

     

    18:27 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    weeman67

     

     

    18:23 on 14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888

     

     

    Do you have the closing price, enjoying the roller coaster that only seems to go one way………DOWN……….

     

    ………………..

     

    It is not a rollercoaster more like “the Black Hole”

     

     

    Yeah a Black Hole which is getting too deep for the Living In Denial Spivs & Crew

     

    to dig their way out of which will eventually add up to too many millions to turn

     

    around with overdraft debt interest being the final nail

  3. Burghbhoy

     

     

    18:31 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    Any word about the Norwegian bhoy signing?

     

    Like what I’ve heard but confess to not having seen the ghuy at all.

     

    Hopefully the reputation and testimony received from Norwegian observers is correct.

     

    A midfield passer , someone who thinks out the box is what we need although I think Nir what what I’ve seen can do that.

     

     

    However, you can’t have enough great players!

     

     

    Here’s a snippet

     

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmTCVaLUPOY

     

     

    Hail Hail!

  4. Steinreignedsupreme on

    South Of Tunis 18:21 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    “Radovan Karadzik?———–the Bosnian Serb mass murderer who was one of John Reids boozing pals”

     

     

    Well, there’s a night out that’s going to end with someone getting a sore face.

  5. Monaghan1900

     

     

    17:17 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    The FFin’ diversity of thought on the land deals thread:

     

     

    ======================================================

     

     

    I love the Huns when they get on a bandwagon.

     

     

    The aggregate Hun mentality is just so…Thick. We owe a debt to FollowFollow/Hunmedia etc for gathering the mentalists all in the one place so we can marvel at the immense wilful ignorance in which they live.

     

     

    Here we exist on the web, sat round the farmhouse table enjoying the fruits of Celtic’s well-planned harvest, knowing that at any time we may turn an ear to the lumbering, demented, dungareed cousin rollocking about the shack in the backyard, howling at the moon.

     

     

    Ahh, it’s good to be a Tim. ;))

  6. Celticrollercoaster supports the Dambhoys on

    googybhoy ♥ celtic

     

     

    18:27 on 14 January, 2014

     

    weeman67

     

     

    18:23 on 14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888

     

     

    Do you have the closing price, enjoying the roller coaster that only seems to go one way………DOWN……….

     

    ………………..

     

    It is not a rollercoaster more like “the Black Hole”

     

     

    —————–

     

     

    Googybhoy

     

     

    I was thinking more of a helterskelter into the black hole

     

     

    HH

     

     

    CRC

  7. eddieinkirkmichael on

    AKBW1888

     

    18:38 on

     

     

    Well done mate, now go and research all the questions you raise and then come back with informed questions. It’s good though that you have realised that the root of the problem lies in London and with the financial institutions based there.

     

     

    Using your reasoning on foodbanks etc then you also think it was a mistake for Brother Walfrid to start Celtic in the first place as the poor we conning him and didn’t really need the food. Dearie me and you want us to believe you’re a Celtic fan.

  8. Bmcuw

     

     

    Hardly unequivocal. You’ve been listening to your Dad. Today’s SNP is not the same party and Labour were appallingly bad then. It was traditional Labour supporters that turned against both the unions and Labour that caused the triumph of, IMO, the most evil person of 20th politics.

     

    Anyway you’re just doing an Ernie: no vote and you are fully aware Independence is not about SNP but self determination for us people who live in Scotland.

     

     

    Ps

     

     

    My Bhoy has signed with Beith

  9. Sandman

     

    18:55 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

     

    ” the lumbering, demented, dungareed cousin rollocking about the shack in the backyard, howling at the moon.”

     

    ——

     

    Is that me your on about?

  10. I note that the pro Nats are peddling lots of nonsense tonight. They must be getting worried.

     

     

    I am hearing lots of bad things about celtics behaviour regarding the GB. Another shameful act.

     

     

    I see we are signing a midfielder. That will help with the striker issue then…..

     

     

    Celtic are Harlem globetrotter a of the football world.

  11. Sandman

     

    Your damn tooting the Hoops will be around for years to come

     

    Lord willing which can not be said for living in denial and corrupt

     

    to the core mob across our City who’s future looks very bleak

     

    “indeed” as the English would say. & they are now all on the

     

    moaning bandwagon and it’s everyone else’s fault bar our own

     

    mentality you could write a comedy script about them, LOL.

     

    Laters Folks & Come-On-The-Hoops. :-) :-) :-)

  12. Frank Ryan's Whiskey on

    That business Scotland site is side splittingly hilarious. A totally one sided view of the Scots utopia that will exist once the dastardly English have been sent ‘hameward to think again’. Its a wee bit like thinking Fox news or the Sun is gospel truth.

     

    One point worth remembering is that it isn’t Scotland’s oil regardless of geographical boundaries. It belongs to the oil companies they bought the leases, they operate the platforms and process facilities they make the huge profits.

     

    It is a mistruth the SNP continually perpetuate. One can’t compare a potential independent Scotland with Norway. Most of Norway’s oil reserves are owned and exploited by Statoilhydro – The Norwegian state oil company and has been for decades, the profits from the exploitation of its resources have been invested by the Norwegian government for the future prosperity of the Norwegian people. Norway will never be poor. Oil taken from Scots waters is owned by BP, Shell. Apache, Conoco ,Total, and a plethora of other foreign companies not the Scots or indeed Westminster government. The vast majority of the profits going to the companies and their shareholders. The harder the oil is to extract the more the oil companies will demand tax incentives to continue to explore, complete and produce. Just look at how they squealed when the UK gov raised taxes on their profits. The opportunity to secure the financial future of Scotland by the investment of oil revenues has long since passed.

  13. Sad news at the Nestle chocolate factory today, a worker was seriously injured when a pallet of white chocolate fell more than 50 feet and crushed him underneath, he tried in vain to attract attention but every time he shouted “the milky bars are on me” Everyone just cheered!!!

  14. Bmcuw

     

     

    The only reason you’re stuck with an SNP is because Labour is hated in large parts of Scotland because of their anti socialist practices.

     

    Invented Bedroom Tax. Voted against free school meals for primaries 1,2 &

     

    3. Also committed to to putting in place University & College charges,

     

    I’ve got to go or I could go on and on

  15. eddieinkirkmichael

     

    19:00 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888

     

    18:38 on

     

     

    Well done mate, now go and research all the questions you raise and then come back with informed questions. It’s good though that you have realised that the root of the problem lies in London and with the financial institutions based there.

     

     

    Using your reasoning on foodbanks etc then you also think it was a mistake for Brother Walfrid to start Celtic in the first place as the poor we conning him and didn’t really need the food. Dearie me and you want us to believe you’re a Celtic fan.

     

     

    Don’t talk BS

     

    Fact, when Brother Wilfred was on this Planet God Bless Him

     

    There was no Benefit/State Welfare which nowadays ‘Exists’

     

    & You are living in a dreamland/Utopia if you think all of a sudden

     

    that every single financial institution is all going to pick up sticks

     

    and move to Scotland “If” Scotland gets it’s own independance

     

    Your of the opinion that if someone does not agree with your

     

    opinion then they are wrong your a Control Freak.

     

    & How dare you question my Celtic Supporting Integrity.

     

    I’ve been a Season Card Holder for untold amount of years

     

    probably even before you where in your Nappies/Diapers

     

    I’m also a Celtic Shareholder, & A Hoops Pools Agent

     

    What have you done for our Great Club, mmm silence

     

    I Rest My Case.

  16. Akbw

     

     

    It’s not broken!

     

    What world do you live in. The fastest growing industry in UK is foodbanks

  17. Looks like every body, more or less on here, hates the Tories and the SNP

     

     

    So……vote No and get to keep the Tories in Westminster and…..SNP in Edinburgh

     

     

    am I getting it now?

  18. Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar on

    The policy of providing free meals to all P1,2 and 3 children is ill thought out and purely designed as a publicity stunt.

  19. Billy Bhoy 05

     

     

    19:13 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

     

     

    ‘The only reason you’re stuck with an SNP is because Labour is hated in large parts of Scotland’

     

     

     

    ###

     

     

    You mean like the north east, and perth and places like that?

     

     

    Places that used to be Tory strongholds and are now nat strongholds?

     

     

    Are those the places you’re talking about?

  20. All that voting Yes or No does is define the boundaries of our inter-national (sic) existence.

     

     

    It won’t make the Tories go away, it won’t make The Royal Family go away and it won’t make global capitalism go away. We will all be no richer or poorer on the 19th September 2014. Nobody’s wullie will be any bigger and nobody’s diarrheoa will be cured by Scotland’s castor oil wealth.

  21. Frank Ryan’s Whiskey

     

    19:11 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    That business Scotland site is side splittingly hilarious. A totally one sided view of the Scots utopia that will exist once the dastardly English have been sent ‘hameward to think again’. Its a wee bit like thinking Fox news or the Sun is gospel truth.

     

    One point worth remembering is that it isn’t Scotland’s oil regardless of geographical boundaries. It belongs to the oil companies they bought the leases, they operate the platforms and process facilities they make the huge profits.

     

    It is a mistruth the SNP continually perpetuate. One can’t compare a potential independent Scotland with Norway. Most of Norway’s oil reserves are owned and exploited by Statoilhydro – The Norwegian state oil company and has been for decades, the profits from the exploitation of its resources have been invested by the Norwegian government for the future prosperity of the Norwegian people. Norway will never be poor. Oil taken from Scots waters is owned by BP, Shell. Apache, Conoco ,Total, and a plethora of other foreign companies not the Scots or indeed Westminster government. The vast majority of the profits going to the companies and their shareholders. The harder the oil is to extract the more the oil companies will demand tax incentives to continue to explore, complete and produce. Just look at how they squealed when the UK gov raised taxes on their profits. The opportunity to secure the financial future of Scotland by the investment of oil revenues has long since passed.

     

     

    Well said Frank Ryan’s Whiskey Here-Here

     

    That is the Crust of the matter & A Point that the SNP

     

    are trying to make out that all of a sudden Scotland’s

     

    economy will prosper and be great with independence

     

    Some people should wake up and smell the BS that’s

     

    being spouted of course a horse can be led to water

     

    but also a horse can not be forced to drink it.

     

    & That’s what the SNP are basing their new 600 page

     

    financial economic boost to Scotland’s Economy On

     

    No wonder some people are naming it the new Argos

     

    Catalogue. Some people can be so-naive esley misled

  22. Green Lantern (((((0))))) on

    sftb. Whit? I was counting on a yes vote to increase both my width and girth!

     

     

    Help ma boaby!

  23. sftb

     

     

    They should put that on the ‘NO’ campaign banners……the wullie thing will swing it.

  24. Morrissey the 23rd Viva Resolution 12! on

    The last day I looked at CQN posts was bum barer day. What have I missed?

  25. SFTB,

     

     

    Probably hit the nail on the head re indy, the main reason i am voting yes is that at least the Scottish people will decide what government we get if we are independent, how many Scottish voters wanted the Tory/Lib Dem government we have now, very few i think….

     

     

    Nonetheless i do not trust the Scottish political set either, its a bit like wearing socks with holes in both feet, the only people making anything out of indy are the PR companies used by both sides to spin the message..

     

     

    Neganon,

     

     

    I have probably heard much the same things you have regarding the clubtreatment of the GB, sad sad sad state of affairs, maybe the bottom tier only being open for the Scottish cup game against Aberdeen will give them a shake…i doubt it very much tho..

     

     

    gebhoy

  26. Billy Bhoy 05

     

    19:17 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    Akbw

     

     

    It’s not broken!

     

    What world do you live in. The fastest growing industry in UK is foodbanks.

     

     

    Good Evening Billy Bhoy 05

     

    The time is 19:35 so what Planet are you on?

     

    I did say that Food Banks are Broken

     

    The point I’m making is that Food Banks are a Sponsored Charity Organization.

     

    & yes I’m well aware that they are based all over the UK. & I would imagine

     

    anyone could go along a get some food from them, which obviously saves

     

    people money by doing so but no doubt one would have to get there @ the

     

    break of dawn to have the best selections available or it would be a case of

     

    what’s left over, however the other point I was making is that people nowadays

     

    also get welfare money as opposed to what when on in the year of 1887/88

     

    when no welfare state was in existence back then.

  27. Back in for a min

     

     

    Those that don’t want independence can by fact can be labelled Unionist

     

    & Loyalist. Therefore you stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against independence. Please don’t kid yourself this isn’t true. When the

     

    ‘Loyal Orange Order against Independence’ canvass for your vote, you can let them know that you are on their side

  28. Pukki played 38 times for shalke

     

    It gave enough time for some German based times to realise he was @@@s poor though

     

    Where is our goal scorer. Waiting. 20 months now

  29. I have not been following today’s posts.

     

    I hope it has already been decided that this week’s fixture will see a minute’s silence to recognise & honour one of Celtic’s greatest ever servants.

     

    NO,… not a minute’s applause.

     

    That would be totally inappropriate.

     

    Let us silence ourselves & contemplate just what this great Celt gave us.

     

     

    There has never been a bigger Celtic giant than the Wee Barra.

     

    I hope we will honour him appropriately.

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