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Bobby Collins left Celtic in 1958 after nine years’ service.  He’d won the Cup, the Double, the Coronation Cup, and, of course, the 1957 League Cup Final – Hampden in the Sun, Celtic 7, Rangers 1.

He went on to have a great career at Everton and to make a transformational contribution to Leeds United, but he will forever be a team mate of Sean Fallon, Willie Fernie, Bertie Peacock, Neil Mochan and Charles Patrick Tully.  Our thoughts go to his family and friends today.

Over the last year or so we’ve asked the question, how many appearances a player needs to make in a well-scouted league to allow an agile club to discover him, before the hoards arrive and price-away any value in him?

Victor Wanyama made 50 appearances in Belgium before we nabbed him but he was knocking back substantially improved contracts from Celtic after only 30 games (which is a different point); England had already taken notice.  Virgil van Dijk made 62 appearances for Groningen, would we have been able to sign him on the kind of money we did if he’d stayed for another 30-or-so games?  It’s unlikely.

Amido Balde made 27 top flight appearances before arriving here, while Teemu Pukki played 37 times for Schalke – enough to score 8 times but there would have been little game time for Celtic scouts to watch him.

In the summer we concluded that there was a 50-80 game value opportunity.  Below this and you’ll struggle to find a player who has developed sufficiently for our agile scouts to be on the case and to do their work properly.  Above this and any player worth a punt will be packing stands with scouts from all over Europe.

If we’re signing someone without the necessary miles on the clock, he’s a punt and should be considered off strategy.  If we’re singing someone who has been watched by dozens of scouts, chances are, at best, he will be no more than a decent return on our money, there will be no hidden value.

Stefan Johansen has made 67 top flight appearances for Norwegian champions, Stromsgodset.  Enough for him to develop into a player who can attract the most agile to Norway, not enough for him to attract those who seem to use Fifa 14 as their primary recruitment database, so he’s on strategy, as far as our 50-80 game value opportunity theory goes.
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  1. bognorbhoy oscar in my thoughts/ support the dam 5 on

    Morrissey the 23rd Viva Resolution 12!

     

     

    welcome back you haven’t missed much,

     

     

    some great tunes ,great debates about every subject under the sun

     

     

    some lovely pictures (women ,celtic and dogs )

     

     

    HAIL HAIL

  2. TBJ Praying for Oscar Knox on

    Thought we had signed a £2m player today so decided to log in and read the last page…. fkn politics.

     

     

    Back to pornhub for me :)

  3. eddieinkirkmichael on

    AKBW1888

     

    19:15 on

     

     

    “dreamland/Utopia if you think all of a sudden

     

    that every single financial institution is all going to pick up sticks

     

    and move to Scotland”

     

     

    are you drinking? serious question mate as I don’t see where you get that from in any of my posts to you. Care to share where that came from in my posts?

     

     

    Again your rather tart answer to my questioning your Celtic credentials again represents a poor understanding of the Glasgow of the 1880’s-1890’s. By the 1890s Glasgow had more municipal services than any other city of its size,in the Empire.

     

    Beside improvements to water supply and sewerage and the resultant boost to the jobs market, along with the fall in the price of basic foods in the 1870s and 1890s, the improvement of milk supplies, free school meals, and the widening influences of nurses, midwives and health visitors all had positive impacts on the poor in Glasgow and would question whether you are aware of ALL the reason’s Brother Walfrid set up the dinner tables, they weren’t all to do with poverty.

     

    But to use your analogy this would negate the need to offer free meals as their was already a system in place to address the needs of the poor. This what you said btw-

     

    “As for food-banks, which are Charity Run, does all these so-called folks

     

    who take food from these Food-Banks really need the Food, are they

     

    that poor? Genuine or what? You have heard the story about people

     

    begging on the Street but in actual fact they are well off behind their

     

    so-called distress not everyone is genuine nowadays and people tell

     

    lies and think nothing of it, sad, but so-so true.”

     

     

    For me these views on the poor don’t reflect the views of the majority of Celtic fans I know.

  4. Billy Bhoy 05

     

    19:44 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    Back in for a min

     

     

    Those that don’t want independence can by fact can be labelled Unionist

     

    & Loyalist. Therefore you stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against independence. Please don’t kid yourself this isn’t true. When the

     

    ‘Loyal Orange Order against Independence’ canvass for your vote, you can let them know that you are on their side.

     

     

    What a load of BS, so because some people want the Status Quo to remain

     

    all of a sudden they should all be tarred with the under your two umbrella way

     

    of thinking wake up young man and smell the SNP’s BS & don’t be so naive

     

    and easley misled and brainwashed read the facts and also read the past

     

    post’s.

  5. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon, supporting WEE OSCAR..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    SSB PUNDIT to Celtic fan……”see you slipped in a sevco there”……… El pundito, he was only trying to make honest men of you……oldco ur deed……..try as you do to resurrect them…..

     

     

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  6. Sidney Tim

     

     

    Didn’ t you see the goals scored by Pukki and Balde in Turkey against a team that is far superior to anything we face in Scotland?

     

     

    Our strikers: Stokes, Pukki, Balde, Fridjonsson, Atajic, Watt, plus very good prospect Denny Johnstone, and the surplus-to-requirements Mo Bangura. [not counting Samaras].

     

     

    How many do you want?

  7. Alba

     

     

    I certainly don’t need an education from yourself. Did you read my earlier blog on Norway?

  8. akbw1888 – the Scotland owning £2Bn of BofE comes from a BofE document that went round Twitter today. I’ll post the link when I get to a pc.

  9. Frank Ryan's Whiskey on

    Billy Bhoy 05

     

     

     

     

    19:44 on

     

     

    14 January, 2014

     

     

     

     

    Back in for a min

     

     

    Those that don’t want independence can by fact can be labelled Unionist

     

    & Loyalist. Therefore you stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against independence. Please don’t kid yourself this isn’t true. When the

     

    ‘Loyal Orange Order against Independence’ canvass for your vote, you can let them know that you are on their side

     

    ==

     

    move the needle billy boy your record is stuck in the same old repetitive groove. So if someone for whatever reason doesn’t believe that a divorce from the UK is in the best interests of those who live in Scotland they are in cahoots with the OO? A very curious tactic to drum up support for a yes to a divorce vote. A bit like saying the that if you do vote yes you, by default, are on the same side as a Ultra right wing xenophobic Scots nationalist.

  10. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon, supporting WEE OSCAR..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    akbw1888

     

     

    19:54 on 14 January, 2014

     

     

    It really is bullshit……fortunately, I gave up on politics a long time ago, and it became easier to live / survive without politics in my life…….concentrate on ‘the family / and Celtic’ and you won’t go far wrong………..

  11. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    AKBW1888

     

     

    “As for food-banks, which are Charity Run, does all these so-called folks

     

    who take food from these Food-Banks really need the Food, are they

     

    that poor? Genuine or what? You have heard the story about people

     

    begging on the Street but in actual fact they are well off behind their

     

    so-called distress not everyone is genuine nowadays and people tell

     

    lies and think nothing of it, sad, but so-so true.”

     

     

    Can I ask you a couple of questions, if that’s not too cheeky ?

  12. !!Bada Bing!!

     

    20:16 on 14 January, 2014

     

    Celtic scouts at Fulham v Norwich tonight.

     

     

    Darren Bent, apparently

  13. !!Bada Bing!! 20:16 on 14 January, 2014

     

    Celtic scouts at Fulham v Norwich tonight.

     

    ———————————————————-

     

    What’s that got to do with scottish politics? smile

  14. eddieinkirkmichael

     

    19:54 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    AKBW1888

     

    19:15 on

     

     

    “dreamland/Utopia if you think all of a sudden

     

    that every single financial institution is all going to pick up sticks

     

    and move to Scotland”

     

     

    are you drinking? serious question mate as I don’t see where you get that from in any of my posts to you. Care to share where that came from in my posts?

     

     

    Again your rather tart answer to my questioning your Celtic credentials again represents a poor understanding of the Glasgow of the 1880′s-1890′s. By the 1890s Glasgow had more municipal services than any other city of its size,in the Empire.

     

    Beside improvements to water supply and sewerage and the resultant boost to the jobs market, along with the fall in the price of basic foods in the 1870s and 1890s, the improvement of milk supplies, free school meals, and the widening influences of nurses, midwives and health visitors all had positive impacts on the poor in Glasgow and would question whether you are aware of ALL the reason’s Brother Walfrid set up the dinner tables, they weren’t all to do with poverty.

     

    But to use your analogy this would negate the need to offer free meals as their was already a system in place to address the needs of the poor. This what you said btw-

     

    “As for food-banks, which are Charity Run, does all these so-called folks

     

    who take food from these Food-Banks really need the Food, are they

     

    that poor? Genuine or what? You have heard the story about people

     

    begging on the Street but in actual fact they are well off behind their

     

    so-called distress not everyone is genuine nowadays and people tell

     

    lies and think nothing of it, sad, but so-so true.”

     

     

    For me these views on the poor don’t reflect the views of the majority of Celtic fans I know.

     

     

    Do you still not get the clear picture and a very good point’s that Frank Ryan’s

     

    Whiskey made as regards to your arguments about so called extra Oil revenue

     

    There is none to be had. Wake up Man and smell the BS from the SNP/Yes

     

    Vote. London will remain Europes most financial hub regardless of the independence

     

    vote of yes or no and that’s a fact.

     

    As regards to your poverty remarks we are living in the year 2014 not 1887

     

    when there was no welfare state in existence this is why BW founded the

     

    Hoops to put meals on the tables of young children living in the East End of

     

    Glasgow.

     

    As for your remarks about my Celtic minded integrity?

     

    What have you done as regards to your Support for our Great Club?

     

    I’ve already mentioned what I’ve on-going and doing, what have you done

     

    or help?

     

    & What gives you the right to come on this Blog and start questioning

     

    our Supporters out there, “Our’s & There’s Too Our Club’s Integrity”?

     

    I feel this conversation is going around in circles I unfortunately for you

     

    I’ll just nip this line of opinions and remarks in the bud.

     

    & Remember, you can’t just think you can change peoples opinions

     

    without solid facts & common sense we live in a Democratic Society

     

    Not a Dictatorship Regime take a reality check and your so-called

     

    remarks of oh if you don’t agree with me then you must be so does

     

    not wash and is so naive way of thinking wake up young Man and

     

    take everything into account before passing Judgement or as our

     

    Blessed Lady Mary says “One Should Not Judge” Amen to that, only

     

    our Lord has that privilege not for us to Judge,

     

    The word Assume also has another meaning it makes an

     

    Ass-U-Me get it? Their I’ve said my last piece on this matter.

  15. corkcelt- SUPPORTING THE DAM 5 on

    Agree with Jinky. Football Transfer window, kids do brilliant in Turkey, game coming up against Motherwell. Where else would you go to discuss with like minded folk?. A Celtic blog of course, dearie me. I’ll try again tomorrow. Good Night & God Bless.

  16. Frank Ryan’s Whiskey

     

    20:11 on

     

    14 January, 2014

     

    Frank Ryan is about to buy some whiskey in a brothel in Madrid

     

     

    Adios

     

     

    Adios Frank & Happy Humping & Dram Tasting Enjoy LOL Laters :-) :-)

  17. It would be much better if Berbatov was the man,,,,,,but shurely we wouldnt need to send scouts out for that….unless they want to offer him a trial that is

  18. AKBW1888

     

     

    I don’t normally comment on politics on a football blog but as someone that cares deeply about the social injustice in our “best little country” – where in Glasgow nearly 1 in 4 children live in poverty – I cannot let your ignorance go.

     

     

    Foodbanks cannot just be accessed by anyone claiming to be “poor” – social work, citizens advice, the church etc have tests that are applied and the claimants receive tokens to use at the food banks. Yes they are genuinely in need, yes they are in many cases starving.

     

     

    I’ve seen the poverty in our city, the impact that it has on our children and the majority of our citizens simply ignore it, shut their eyes and ears and pretend its not true – well it is and it’s a disgrace. Perpetuated by our SNP government who use vote winning gimmicks like free prescriptions and free school dinners rather than use that money to properly help those living in poverty.

     

     

    I cannot believe that a Celtic supporter made that post. Go away and learn about your subject before you post such absolute drivel.

     

     

    Apologies Paul – don’t normally rant but one of the reasons for my strong connection to Celtic is our approach to charity – our Foundation, led by one of cqn’s original posters big Tony is a shining example of that.

     

     

    Hail! Hail!

     

     

    DavieL

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