World Soccer Magazine published a fascinating table at the bottom of an article on the respective financial might of Chelsea and Manchester City yesterday, detailing player spend and sales for current English Premier League clubs over the last 10 seasons.
Liverpool have an average net spend of £18.1m as they chase former glories while Manchester United, who stole Liverpool’s place at the top of the English pile, had only a marginally higher net spend of £18.6m.
Fifth on the list is Aston Villa, largely on the back of an attempt to take over the world during Martin O’Neill’s reign, spending a net average of £11.1m.
Most fascinating of all is that 11 of the 20 have a net average spend of less than £4m per season. They spend big, but apart from the odd team spending some foreign country’s mineral wealth, they also sell big.
Bottom of the table of net biggest spenders in Everton, who sold £7.8m of talent more than they bought during the period. Newcastle United are also in a surplus, thanks in part to their recently departed director of football, Joe Kinnear, who completed his service without spending a penny.
Crystal Palace clearly have an eye for a bargain. They successfully negotiated a return to the Premier League, and then bought Joe Ledley as his Celtic contract ran down, with an average net spend of £722k.
The Silk from a Sow’s Ear prize has to go to Arsenal. The last decade has not been generous to Arsenal, however, their average net spend is only £1.5m per season having sold £277m worth of talent. Their business model is not right, i.e. they have not been able to compete with those who don’t seem to care if they break even, but they, more than any other club in Europe*, are primed for the Financial Fair Play era.
*apart from Celtic, of course.
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Martim
I don’t feel like anyone is “campaigning” on here, merely adding their opinion to an ongoing debate.
You also seemed to suggest I perhaps had an agenda, which I do not.
I am on the fence, but with one foot touching the Yes grass. As a man of limited intelligence, I find the extent of politics involved too complex to fully comprehend. Reaching an informed decision therefore, can be difficult.
However, I do ask myself simple questions which may perhaps cut through all the noise. For example:
1. Who has Scotland’s best interests at heart – an English government in London or a Scottish government in Edinburgh?
and
2. Why are the British/English government so apparently desperate to retain the union?
Like the questions themselves, the answers are simple:
1. A Scottish government based in Edinburgh will do more for Scotland than posh Tory Englishmen based in London.
2. Oil wealth.
Over-simplifying matters? Perhaps. But fundamental points nonetheless.
The next logical question for me is, do we have what it takes to go it alone? So I look for contemporary evidence. And I find Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark. The similarities with Scotland are undeniable. Their success is undeniable. And our additional wealth/natural resources is undeniable.
Hopefully that clears up where I’m coming from. Although I’m sure you really couldn’t give a toss for my own position.
I would comment finally on this – much of the community are seemingly basing their decision on religious allegiances. The proddies are voting NO because it’s all a Catholic conspiracy; and the Catholics are voting NO because they’ll be persecuted and lose their Kafflic schools. Altogether a truly depressing, pathetic and disturbing reflection of 21st Century Scotland; no better summed up than the Muppet last night who stated he will be voting NO because Alex Salmond was a Hearts supporter.
Billy Bhoy your are doing yourself and your campaign no favours. This is not Ireland. I don’t like what the Brits did to Ireland anymore than you. But voting no does not make me anything you say. You are not God, you don’t have that power. And how dare you accuse me of that. I am a Celtic fan, proud Glaswegian, Scot and European because I don’t agree with with your campaign, you insult me.
Your campaign just lost votes right there….. and some more…….and some more.
Does anyone else think this is out of line?
After last nights historic vote in the Scottish Parliament I would just like to assure my friends in CQN that I awoke this morning deliriously happy but as yet I have not found that happiness to be deemed Gay, yet! But there is still time you know.
Seriously! Some of the drivel that runs from some fingers is just, well… stupid, rediculous, ill-informed, vindictive…
Boy I wish I was holier than though. It must be so Gay.
MWD
No Bobby Does It Petta, fair enough, reasoned and clear, I respect this.
Carman
Really appreciate your post. A load of work put into it
dear oh dear, this political spat is boring and juvenile.
do any of you really believe the nonsense spouted by career politicians, more fool you if you do.
these people are just out to shaft you, what ever party you vote for, cant you see, that its the political class that’s responsible for all the nonsense that goes on, on a daily basis.
wake up….read your history, party politics is the cause of poverty and inequality, and its because people believe ideological nonsense spouted by politicians, that the world is in turmoil…..stop believing these, Labour,SNP half wits…..and think for yourself.
Now….can we get back to getting rid of sevco.
HH
Martim1980
Was elsewhere for a bit, not ignoring your response. Cannot see how the debate over the Referendum can be avoided on here or anywhere else, and the fact is, the Celtic support do not speak with one voice, here or elsewhere, which like it or not is going to make for some strange bedfellows.
For what it is worth I happen to believe that it is about a struggle for influence between Scotland and London.
The Green Man – Yes please;-)
When we vote yes and we get oor cuntry back. I’m going to buy a big ootdoor pool, fill it full of oil and swim in it.
And yeez urny gonny stop me!
MWD
The Green Man
Anarchy in the UK?
The Green Man. I agree with your post they have been working to there own plan since Murray sold the club to Whyte for a pound.It is a long haul strategy and they will lose there debts along the way.They will eventualy get to the promised land of the SPL and I believe they will be prepared to almost anything to win it and get a CL place I do believe after all they have been through they will be more bitter than ever H.H.
UN denounces Vatican: BBC headline.
the green man
10:35 on 5 February, 2014
I posted the same thing over two years ago , there is no stomach among the rest of Scottish football to put them out their misery .
!!bada bing!!
09:50 on 5 February, 2014
*Today’s Top Tip*-Tell huns this will be their first Administration,as the old Club died
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A good tip mate, the huns in work pounce on any slip ups…then become hunchbacks again.
FFin’ intermittent explosive disorder:
“When Will We, The Rangers Support Finally Show Our Teeth And Bite Back?
The thick end of three years down the line we are still being sh*t on from a great height from both within our own club and more importantly by the powers that be…
What will it take to get our support angry and to show these b*st*rds we mean business.
As it stands now we still fill their coffers with blue pounds whilst they continue to beat is with their big stick.
Will we ever get angry? If so any idea when?”
——
“We have fire in the belly that we have [That, Sammy, is a major conflagration.]
But to many havnt a clue what is happening we are being taken for mugs…
I would like to see a unified group SOS then go as one and ****en destroy anything and anyone that gets in our way”
——
” Radio Clyde is in our own home town, yet they can say anything they want.
I don’t know anywhere else that would happen.”
——
“I reckon we should do a Manchester at our first home game back in the top tier.”
——
“The boat it treading water, waiting for a captain to set our course. At present we are a bit of a rabble with a scatter gun approach.
Cometh the man, I have no doubt we would answer the call”
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“Regan and Doncaster are both plants, put in place by Liewell, I am sure the majority of the support know this, what have we done about them?”
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“[Celtic]- minded politicians and their mhedia set the agenda for public consumption, and we have next to no-one who can lead never mind control the narrative. The dodgy land deal allegations being a classic example. If this involved us, they’d be destroying us on a daily basis via the tabloids”
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“Something like this is probably our only hope…a committee of Rangers living legends would have the respect and influence to rally the support out of this PARALYSIS we suffer from…DIVISION!!! …[we] are fighting a losing battle without the BIG hitters of Rangers folklore to talk sense… and get the troops all matching together as an unstoppable force.”
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” We needed a strong character to stand up to these cretins both within and outside our clubs walls.
To often its… its not the rangers way! B*ll*cks!
BLOOD SHOULD HAVE BEEN SPILT BY NOW!”
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“The most apathetic supporters in the land. Just handing over our hard earned cash to save our club isnt/wasnt enough. Blood should have been spilt. A proper statement should have been made and a line in the sand should have been drawn.
No leader came forth and asked us to follow him with a combatative plan. The days of war are over. The ship has sailed.”
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” There was a time wed have invaded the pitch at the merest hint of being taken the p*ss out of”
Martin1980
I have aspirations for my children and their children in an Independent Scotland and I am not prepared to sit back and let people like you destroy that dream. This campaign will get messy because us Republicans have too much to lose. The alternative is being stuck to the Yoke of British Rule and the backlash that has already been planned. The massive attack from Westminster on cutting the welfare benefits of our most vulnerable subjects.
You stay with Trident supporting warmongers, bedroom tax and let us Scots earn our freedom from Westminster by voting Yes.
Catman
Thanks for posting that list. Several stand out – Boumsong and Arteta because even at the time they stank of something not quite right. Thomas Buffel and Nuno Capucho – incredibly hyped by the media here but who turned out to be total duds. Novo and Cannigia signed at the eleventh hour ahead of Celtic who’d apparently been in pole position to sign the players. No marks like Vanoli, Kyriagkos and Bernard. And of course Campbell Ogilvie. Whose name on the list…well I am sure he’s a lovely guy and was in no way conflicted two years ago.
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
GREENMAN
100% agree mate, but has that not always been the case. Politicians are the ones who perpetuate the class system, appealing to the morons
KINGLuBO
Celtic Mac,
I appreciate what you’re saying and I wouldn’t expect everyone to agree and certainly not on this blog. Reasoned debate or facts I would welcome. I just expected a slightly higher standard on here and not more or less ; “just go for it vote yes, let’s just see how all pans out” and if you don’t vote yes you’re a H*n.
Thanks for the response, HH
Could all the political posters please go to political blogs and put your arguments across? Its getting tedious now.
The art of rhetoric is something everybody should be aware of, politicians are schooled in it, and make fortunes from its application…..you voters know this, yet still try to promote the ramblings of some lazy fool of a politician;….well, im not buying it, so please refrain from repeating this political rhetoric.
Have the sense to have your own opinions, that aren’t guided by fat cat, limousine driven idiots.
I don’t know about you…but I doubt that Alex Salmond, or Ed Milliband could teach me anything about life…..so how people can spout their nonsense is beyond me.
Im not listening to any of that, because its a steaming pile of rhetorical ****
Lets talk about how Celtic supporters are being demonised by the very same people, that some of you seem so keen on promoting.
HH
Monaghan1900
At least they are being true to their traditions, pitch invasion, violence and rioting..
They don’t half talk a good game!
Don’t know what will happen with the huns in the next few weeks/months, always said that they will eat themselves, proved to be right as have a few on here said the same.
How do they get back into the top flight???
How do they get to a level to challenge us???
to do both they are going to need alot of investment, which they have had & squandered the lot… they will have to do this another 2 or 3 times to get near us, even with the help of SFA etc
Are thre any ‘INVESTORS’ out there willing to risk alot of money on them…No!!
Individuals may be out there but they could be lossing the lot to get there
Who owns the satdium is another matter but the cost of repairing it is vast…another expense that will see money diverted away from the team
My thoughts on it are…. They are F*****d, no matter what they do
Any Thoughts
HH
In……………………………..Off oot.
Oh, afore ah go…….it dizny matter
who ye vote….as you’ll still end-up
being mastered by a shower of
masonic bassas. imho
So there !!!
Off oot.
my post is littered with spelling mistakes…..bite me!!!
HH
Billy Bhoy 05 So in order to claim the dream of that “free” democracy you are prepared to bully, intimidate and scaremonger? Do you see just how wrong that is? I’m not being funny, but is that the story you want to tell the grand kids? Do you think they’d be proud you resorted to intimidation? I’m admire you for for explaining your reasons, but I don’t think you’re going about it the right way. HH
“a committee of Rangers living legends – to rally the support”
Bomber Brown,
John Grieg,
Gordon Dalziel,
Alex Rae,
Gordon Smith,
Andy Goram,
Gazza,
Kenny Miller,
Ally Sleekit,
Nach Novo,
Maurice Johnston,
Yeah that’s what they need, they’ll get it sorted…
‘… at the merest hint of being taken the p*ss out of.’
Is that Walt Whitman?
Billy Bhoy 05
11:03 on
5 February, 2014
Did you have your kilt on, face painted blue, clutching a thistle and eating shortbread while typing that?
Rabble rousing nonsense…….if the YES team wins what’s your plans for those who voted NO? You want them deported to Engerlund?
Back to work for me…
.
‘I’m the Only Fenian in the Village’..
Summa
Big game coming up on saturday .
Does it count towards the clean sheet record,
or is it only a league record ?
Monaghan1900
11:03 on
5 February, 2014
FFin’ intermittent explosive disorder:
I once knew a man with intermittent explosive disorder.
Used to be known as mad mal from musswell hill.
The way the blog is going CQTEN is going to be gay pride meets Nuremberg rally meets Thingummyjig.
Help needed as what to wear, don’t want to be the odd one out.
ConfusedCSC
Can I Have Raspberry On That Champions League Ice Cream
celtic onsie?
Steviebhoy66 no, they have no thoughts. They are indeed franced;-)
onesie doh!
bognorbhoy oscar in my thoughts/ support the dam 5/we are all neil lennon
11:21 on 5 February, 2014
onesie doh!
The home or away onesie?
Can I Have Raspberry On That Champions League Ice Cream @ 11.18
“CQTEN is going to be gay pride meets Nuremberg rally meets Thingummyjig. Help needed as what to wear.”
Tartan lederhosen should just about cover it.