I was considerably alarmed at this morning’s Daily Record article, which appears to equate calls for an inquiry into an alleged conspiracy to subvert tax law, as well as SFA and SPL rules, on a level with sectarianism. Most clearly here:
“Of course, this will infuriate the self-proclaimed, proud ‘bampots’ on social media toiling away 24/7 in pursuit of justice for Scottish football.
“Their irreversibly entrenched view will always be that ‘the Protestant establishment club cheated on an industrial scale’”.
I’m disturbed that so many people on social media are having their views on rule breaking caricatured as an anti-Protestant witch-hunt.
This is wildly inaccurate, sinister and inflammatory. A sign, perhaps, of the direction of travel in this debate.
This bit is really, REALLY, important.
If there is a perception that there is a risk to social media users this debate is closed – trust me on this one. Right now, some are asking themselves, “How much sectarian hatred are the media prepared to stir up if we talk about this?”
Convince people their club’s record is being questioned, not because of rule breaking, but for religious reasons, and you open Pandora’s Box – and we all know this.
Don’t get angry. This angle is thus far isolated, should be mocked and we should quickly move on.
If you want the debate to take place, don’t lose focus and stick to the point: were tax laws, SFA and SPL rules broken, if so, was this an oversight, or was there a conspiracy to subvert the rules and earlier inquiries?
Perhaps most importantly, this is the time for other clubs and their fans to have their say.
Jim Craig and Brendan Sweeney on CQN TONIGHT!
Lisbon Lion, Jim Craig, and Celt for Change, Brendan Sweeny, Live chat on CQN tonight.
I’m absolutely delighted we have yet another Lisbon Lion, Jim Craig, on CQN tonight, as well as a one of the most influential fans in our history, Brendan Sweeny (who will cringe at reading that).
Brendan has researched and written Celtic: The Early Years, forward by Jim. It is the most incredible account of the how and why a football club was formed in Parkhead in 1888, and the seismic events which shaped its future during the Early Years.
Both will be on CQN tonight from 7:30, you can ask questions on the blog and chat to them. Ask Jim about those great times, his career after football, or what’s going on at the club now.
Brendan, as an integral part of Celts for Change, Jungle Bhoys and now Celtic Graves Society, has been a force of nature for the Celtic cause. This is also about as far into the limelight as he’s ever likely to emerge!
Premium Seats competition for Kilmarnock game on Saturday
Magners, Celtic’s main sponsor, are offering fans the chance to win a pair of Premium Seat tickets in the Jock Stein Stand to the match. All you have to do is answer the following question:
Who was Celtic manager when Kilmarnock won their first game in over half a century?
Email answer to celticquicknews@gmail.com with the answer in the email SUBJECT box.
Competition closes at 22:00 tonight, so this is a one day target!
On another subject, Ad hominem, def:
An ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”), is an attack on an argument made by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, rather than attacking the argument directly. When used inappropriately, it is a logical fallacy in which a claim or argument is dismissed on the basis of some irrelevant fact or supposition about the author or the person being criticised.
Just saying……..
Time for some Labi Siffre tunes.
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Ghuys/ghirls, thanks for the Prayers and best wishes but just got word from my bro.
My sister-in-law Alison, got word from transplant team that they had the closest match she could get. This meant a frantic, but excited race from Newport in Wales to Birmingham, where the transplant operation would take place.
She was prepped and ready for anaesthetic when a small anomaly was found in the transplant organs….and they have decided not to proceed.
Gutted for her but grateful for the kind thoughts for her.
HH
BSR
Snap. Btw I don’t oppose everything from the borad-plc …far from it but the opportunity of a level playing field and helping to eradicate sectarianism within the confines of Scottish football and kkill off once and forever the old firm tag is too good an opporrunity to miss
Rwe,
U am more than happy to hang off and wait and see what happens.
It will not be long now.
HH
Charliebhoy
Hope everything goes well for you all
DBBIA
Thought as much.
WeeBobbycollins
I had the same reaction when I first saw it. It’s addictive.
Hope both of you are well.
NOWA
Wonder if NUJ has any thoughts on DR piece.
Totally agree with Paul67. To try to introduce religious aspects to the EBT fallout is a new low, even for the Record. Seriously, did the editor or a lawyer not blanche at this “piece”?
Most striking of all, however, was the source. The DR I believe, runs regular pieces by Sevco and Celtic fans, and these are labelled as such. Fair enough.
But to try to hide Mooney’s identity – as a Sevco blogger – smacks of cowardice and desperation.
Did they think we wouldn’t notice?
AoW/Charliebhoy
My thoughts and my prayers are with you and your families.
This is what a young Celtic supporter had to contend with recently.
https://twitter.com/fackillthebill/status/667021250724798464
Good evening friends, I hope we are all well?
Twice I’ve tried to post here in the last few minutes and the amount of crap at the bottom of the site is getting on my messerschmitts
One of the few things I have to look forward to when there is no game and it gets harder all the time and I don’t want a diet or earn 4k an hour from home!
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 18TH NOVEMBER 2015 5:37 PM
Awe_Naw @ 4.42.
Unfortunately I stopped going to celtic over 2 seasons ago . I cannot be part of a sham . not a sport . Over two Seasons and the people who forced me to make that choice are still in governance . The more I think of it , the angrier I become . It’s unbelievable that the guilty people don’t have enough gumption to slither away . It also saddens me that no other clubs supporters are letting their feelings on the matter be known . It wasn’t just celtic who were cheated by them , it was the rest of Scottish football . I wonder if they would have been so silent , had it been celtic in the dock . Anyway I pray for the day , the people propping them up are dealt with , no punishment to harsh for them . Then I can maybe get back to sitting in the seat , I still hold , but won’t sit in until the cancer of Scottish football has been removed .
Hard to take AoW but it shows the professionalism of the medical team. Got to be a positive on a negative outcome today.
Best wishes for the next round
Hail hail
Does anyone have a photo of Alex Moonie the freelance journalist who wrote in the Record?
The reason I ask is that years ago I workd with/for/in association with a chap called Alex Mooney who wanted to be a freelance journo. At that time he was writing articles in things like Top Gear and so on.
Given where I worked with him, it would be hard to fathom if this was the same guy as I am pretty sure the Alex that I knew was a Celtic fan.
For the avoidance of doubt the article is bollox!
JIMTIM. Fella I admire your principals, I think a lot more supporters will be joining you if this is not resolved properly and a fair game for everyone in Scottish football established. H.H.
Hamiltontim on 18th November 2015 6:47 pm
Power going to someones head
unfortunately he was probably telling the truth…………………………………….He could ruin that young bhoys life on a whim
HH
HT
Fkng scandalous. But as we know commonplace these days for CELTIC fans.
ACAB
Winning Captains
I can’t be online tonight during the Q&A session but I would like to ask if Brendan knows if the idea raised a couple of years ago about making a film about Celtic ‘s foundation and history is still a live project?
I will check in later for any responses
Dena/Herbo
The copper then tried to get the password for the boy’s phone once he realised he’d been recorded!
Supporting your time is not a crime.
Has the copper been identified HT?
That’s really pissed me right off that. Having heard Police speak to me in that exact same manner it hits home when you hear it again.
I’m no frightened of the bStards but others could be. Absolute Liberty taking clownshoes
Herbo
Don’t think so as yet.
HT-Disgusting,if the police wanted to find out who it is,they would.
Good evening fellow tims.
What is it about Huns and their perception of multiple clones of people.
You’re never far away from some ex player talking about the Hateleys, the Goughs, the Fergusons and the De Boerrs. OK some of them are legitimate but it seems to have spread to one of the other branches of gunnery, namely the referees. Just been listening to Hugh Dallas trying to talk up the current crop of refs by talking about the Kenny Clarks, the John Rowbottoms and
the Hugh Dallas’s. Scarily, it seems to extend to believing that there could be more than one of ones self.
It’s little wonder they believe that Sevco are Rangers.
Good news.
Got a pass for overnight in The dear green place next Thursday so I’ll see you all in the BV prior to the game for a pint etc.
HH
SoT, I remember Sciacca for two things: the best pizza I have ever had, or will have. And the worst drivers I have ever seen, or will see. Warm and Sunny here in the distant North, until the weekend at least.
HAMILTONTIM on 18TH NOVEMBER 2015 7:10 PM
Dena/Herbo
The copper then tried to get the password for the boy’s phone once he realised he’d been recorded!
Supporting your time is not a crime.
absolutely shocking ….but not surprising
HH
That would be hunnery not gunnery or indeed the other auto suggest nunnery.
Bada
Indeed big fella.
Right, work to do. HH
Jim Craig & Brendan Sweeney logged in, will be on in a few moments….
JIMTIM @ 6.53
Your post is representative of thousands of Scottish football supporters, especially Celtic supporters.
I hear regurgitated SMSM propaganda about Celtic fans that ‘miss the old firm’ I’ve still to meet one face to face in 3 1/2 years, they are rarer than rocking horse poo. Celtic fans that sometimes gradually sometimes abruptly, simply stopped going to Celtic Park because it was clear, and confirmed that Celtic were in a ‘fix’.
Old timers will maintain ‘it was always the same back in the day, yada yada there was this referee, and that referee’
No it, wasn’t – they hadn’t dreamed up tax evasion, until they did, and it killed them, and reduced Scottish football to a laughing stock.
Who pays into that?
The guy that’s sat beside me since the new stadium went up, hasn’t seen a game this season, still buys a ST, he lives in England, he suspected like thousands of older Celtic fans that he was being defrauded and defeated by Laudrup and Gasgoigne et all. Doesn’t show anymore, another empty seat.
If Celtic decide to move on in silence, to take on, the same filthdom of a support backed by Hampden, singing the same songs, they’ll do it with fewer fans, because every club in Scotland was cheated, and some fans who haven’t already, will find something else to do.
I’ll take my chances suffering any ‘backlash’, or ‘social unrest’ should the only appropriate sanction of title stripping commence.
read this in the english daily mail today, fascinating
JIMMY DUNNE
Never mind Ruud van Nistelrooy, Jamie Vardy should focus on Jimmy Dunne’s goalscoring record from the 1930s
Jamie Vardy has scored in his last nine consecutive Premier League games
Sheffield United’s Jimmy Dunne scored in 12 straight games in 1931-32
David Moyes has missed out on Premier League jobs while he was in Spain
Chris Coleman should forget about Wales playing England in a friendly
By MARTIN SAMUEL – SPORT FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:30, 17 November 2015 | UPDATED: 09:57, 18 November 2015
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It was commerce and marketing that changed when the Premier League was formed, not football. The branding was different, but there were still 11 on each side, same as the old days, there were defenders and attackers, and the goal sizes remained unaltered, too. It has always been tough to stay fit, stay in the team, and score goals, whether in 2015, 2003 — or 1931.
So the idea that Jamie Vardy is chasing Ruud van Nistelrooy’s consecutive scoring record in English football is false. Van Nistelrooy’s is a modern milestone and, yes, Vardy will equal that if he scores for Leicester at Newcastle on Saturday. He will still, however, be two short of the all-time record-holder, a man whose greatness is being quietly edited from history, because it took place in the days before cameras documented every game, big or small.
Jimmy Dunne, of Sheffield United, is the most consistently prolific goalscorer the elite level of English football has seen, and just because his accomplishment dates from the year the Empire State Building was constructed does not make it any less notable.
Jamie Vardy has scored in his last nine consecutive games for Leicester and is looking to equal Ruud van Nistelrooy’s Premier League record of scoring in nine games in a row
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Jamie Vardy has scored in his last nine consecutive games for Leicester and is looking to equal Ruud van Nistelrooy’s Premier League record of scoring in nine games in a row
Vardy has scored 12 goals in total this season to help Leicester sit third in the Premier League
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Vardy has scored 12 goals in total this season to help Leicester sit third in the Premier League
VIEIRA CAN GO FAR WITH CITY
Patrick Vieira was making good progress as coach of Manchester City’s Under 21 team, so will take charge of MLS franchise New York City next season. If he is successful there over a period of time, then, steeped in the philosophy of the club and with enhanced management skills, his career path is obvious. This could be the start of a modern equivalent of Liverpool’s famous boot room. Very well run club, Manchester City.
Patrick Vieira will manage New York City
Patrick Vieira will manage New York City
Between October 24, 1931 at Grimsby Town and January 1, 1932, against Portsmouth, Dunne scored in 12 consecutive Sheffield United league matches — 18 goals in all. Scorelines were bigger in those days, and totals, too — but the fact that Dunne set records that remain unchallenged, and others only equalled by goalscorers of the calibre of Alan Shearer, suggests he was no inconsequential figure.
He played at a time when balls and pitches were heavier and a centre forward had to be bludgeoned half to death to earn a penalty. Dunne is a unique character. He was a socialist, a rebel, a member of the Irish Republican Army who was interned after the Irish Civil War, and just because he wasn’t on television, it doesn’t make him any less real.
Dunne’s record, the one truly being chased, is very tightly defined. In Vardy’s case, it is about scoring in consecutive Leicester City games, not games for Leicester City. There is a difference.
Injury kept Vardy out of both England matches in this international break, and if he is not fit to play for his club on Saturday, his run ends there, too. Stan Mortensen scored in 15 consecutive games for Blackpool in season 1950-51, but he got injured twice during the sequence, and skipped matches, coming back to continue scoring again. He did three, then 11, then one. That is not the same.
Van Nistelrooy, meanwhile, scored in 10 consecutive Manchester United games. His stretch started against Fulham on March 22, 2003, and ended against Newcastle on August 23, 2003, so the games were spread over two seasons, eight in 2002-03 and two in 2003-04. It could be argued that if Vardy scores against Newcastle, his will be the greater achievement, spanning consecutive Leicester games in one season, from August 29 against Bournemouth to November 21. This is a record of endurance, as much as accuracy. It is about being available, in the team and on the scoresheet. Playing up front for Leicester is a little different from the same role at Manchester United, too.
Ruud Van Nistelrooy scored in 10 consecutive Premier League games for Manchester United
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Ruud Van Nistelrooy scored in 10 consecutive Premier League games for Manchester United
And then there is Dunne. Even his route to English football is remarkable. He was brought up playing Gaelic football in Dublin and was said to have taken a serious interest in football during five-a-side games while imprisoned at Curragh and Portlaoise as a member of the IRA’s ‘D’ Company.
He even spent time on hunger strike, and on his release in 1923, joined Shamrock Rovers. From there he was picked up by English Fourth Division side New Brighton, made an impression in his first season and was signed by Sheffield United for £800 in February 1926.
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Dunne did very little for over three years at the club and then, in 1929-30 at the age of 24, exploded. He was Division One’s top scorer that season with 36 goals, including four against West Ham on January 1, and four more against Leicester three days later. The following season he scored 41 in the league and 50 in all competitions — still the highest total recorded by an Irish player in England’s top division. Next, in 1931-32, Dunne established the record for consecutive goals, the one Vardy is now chasing.
Jimmy Dunne holds the all time record of scoring in 12 Football League games in a row for Sheffield United
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Jimmy Dunne holds the all time record of scoring in 12 Football League games in a row for Sheffield United
Sheffield United sold Dunne to Arsenal – where he helped them win the league title
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Sheffield United sold Dunne to Arsenal – where he helped them win the league title
The month after Dunne’s prolific run ended, Arsenal bid £10,000 for him, which Sheffield United turned down. He went on to score 33 goals that season, making him the only player to pass 30 in three straight seasons until Shearer with Blackburn Rovers, from 1993-94 to 1995-96.
Sheffield United then sold Dunne to Arsenal in September 1933. They were relegated that season; Arsenal won the league. The following year, he was replaced by Ted Drake and his brief time as the country’s most potent striker was over.
Dunne went to Southampton, and, finally, back to Shamrock Rovers. In 1939, a fledgling Irish national side were the last to visit Germany before Hitler’s invasion of Poland. The players were told to follow England’s example from the previous year and give the Nazi salute before their match in Bremen, but at the vital moment, captain Dunne rebelled, refused to raise his arm and encouraged others to follow his lead. Photographic evidence suggests he was out on his own that day, too.
Dunne died young, at the age of 44, and was buried in Dublin in his Sheffield United shirt. Today barely any photographs even exist of him wearing one, let alone footage of him playing. Yet this is a talent, and a record, that deserve more than to be swept away by the recasting of football history as a modern phenomenon.
Surely Vardy, another Sheffield man treading an unconventional path to the top, would find it hard to disagree.
Jim or Brendan
Though i think Jim is best qualified to answer.
My dentist keeps pushing me towards composite fiilings
instead of cheaper Amalgams.
I always say whichever last the longest as i have a real dislike of time in the chair
and end up with dearer composite
Just read that cheaper option might actually last longer is that
correct ???
A question for Jim Craig:
I have an impacted wisdom tooth behind and under a back molar. It causes infrequent pain due to movement. Should I opt for dental surgery to remove it or tough it out like a man for a few days every few months with painkillers?
Oh, and can you recall the last five minutes in Lisbon, Jim? Was it a blur for you, or the classic time stretching out when every second seems like a year?
A bit like a visit to the dentist, actually…
Hello everybody and my best wishes to all the Celtic faithful throughout the world.
Have you any questions for me or for Brendan who is sitting alongside me on Celtic Quick News tonight.
I’m pretty sure there is only one Jim Craig.
HH to a Lisbon lion.
JC2, that’s uncanny, lol.
We all dream of a team of Jimmy Dunne’s ✊
Cairney
Did Tommy Gemmell shout to you, when you slid him the perfectly weighted pass for the equaliser in Lisbon yon day?
Hail Hail
Hail Hail Jim.
I’ve got this terrible pain in my right incisor, and. . .
No, seriously, it’s an honour to communicate with yet another Lion on here.
Nowadays, pundits are always on about not losing an early goal in European ties, as many teams are so adept at soaking up attacks and hitting on the counter, just as Inter were back then, the Masters of it, in fact.
I wanted to ask if the loss of the early goal in Lisbon due to, er, well, we’ll leave that for now, if it changed any game plan you had pre-kickoff, maybe forcing you to go for broke a lot earlier than you had planned?