Sky Sports followed the news that they captured SPFL TV rights with one of their media team having a go at Celtic and Peter Lawwell. Andrew Dickson (not that one) was previously part of Newco’s media team but is now a producer with Sky.
Following Peter Lawwell’s response to a question on needing assurance for the safety of Celtic fans at Ibrox, Dickson tweeted:
“Only place there has been a safety issue in recent times was at Celtic Park – involving Celtic fans. No track record of the problems Lawwell fears at Ibrox so why chuck that one into the conversation? To make your opponents look like big bad Rangers?”
I have been going to Ibrox for 35 years. During that time, and for decades before, Celtic fans had exclusive access to the stadium via Broomload Road. On 29 December, 800 Celtic fans will have to make their way through Broomload Road, which will also be the only access area 7,000 Newo fans have to the stadium.
There is a bit of a pantomime goes on at these games, with fans shouting at each other from the safety of a police cordon. Due to police planning, fans do not intermingle in the vicinity of the stadium.
Police permit fans of other clubs to walk through Newco fans to attend Ibrox (and Celtic Park), but they have yet to decide if cordons is unnecessary for next month’s fixture, or if segregation it to happen, how 800 Celtic fans can safely enter the stadium.
Celtic have been in regular dialogue with the police and League since Newco’s statement on the subject in the summer and await a decision. Sky Sports staff seem to have picked up the baton to support Newco’s position, despite safety concerns.
At least there should be no trouble after the match, that lot are usually well home by full time.
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I keep seeing post saying that those who are what they perceive as anti board are the problem on here, fine, if that’s the way you see it, I personally beg to differ, I see it as the polar opposite.
Out of many, many posters who would be in the anti board camp as it were I have yet to see them attacking the ” pro ” board posters for their opinions, I disagree with so so many posts on here by those who can’t see the board doing no wrong, can’t say that I have ever jumped on them for their stance, I react when called out, but NEVER have I called them out for their beliefs, that can not be said for the pro board posters, I was accused wrongly the other night of slagging cqn, utter garbage, never have and never would, I have to much respect for our host and the vast majority of people who post here, it’s been a wonderful blog to me and countless others, yet some feel the need to chastise us for our beliefs, that is what’s sad. Oh and I will always back up anything I say, whether you agree with it or not is another matter.
If you don’t like what someone posts, scroll on by and leave out the pathetic childish boo hoo digs, scrolling by works wonders.
MacJay
My dad never swore in the company of women or children. He never spoke badly of anyone. He was a Marxist/Christian paradox. He did speak badly of Desmond White, but that was borne from a personal experience.
Used to love hear him swear at refs at Celtic matches ?
YNWA
ChairBhoy
Really enjoyed your post above and spent a fair bit of time constructing my own thoughts on the matter, only for my post to disappear into the ether during the last sentence :-((
Suffice to say you outline a very interesting and thoughtful scenario. I hope these ideas come to fruition.
TOSB,
The internet is a great vehicle and Paul 67’s blog gives us a great forum to discuss all things Celtic and beyond.
However a vocal minority can often distort actual reality. I don’t think the majority of fans think we are a club in disarray as many on the blogs would have us believe. For example, I am absolutely gobsmacked how many ” diehard” Celtic fans are completely unaware of Res 12
Cheers and HH.
DD
Marxist/Christian paradox?!
WTF?! not a paradox… almost a redundancy!
:)
GustavoGutierrezCSC
TET,
The blog benefits from it’s diversity.
HH.
GREENPINATA on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 9:39 PM
TOSB,
The internet is a great vehicle and Paul 67’s blog gives us a great forum to discuss all things Celtic and beyond.
However a vocal minority can often distort actual reality. I don’t think the majority of fans think we are a club in disarray as many on the blogs would have us believe. For example, I am absolutely gobsmacked how many ” diehard” Celtic fans are completely unaware of Res 12
Cheers and HH.
…………….
I personally hope for a very bright future for Celtic supporters to look forward to. The structures seem to be in place at the club to provide a platform for success for the team and fans. However, I think there is a certain level of discontent amongst a fair number of fans that the Board have not always defended our interests as well as they should have. That will always remain a bone of contention and that’s unfortunate.
THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 8:54 PM
I agree with most of your post – I remember standing many times in the Jungle in the late 60s and 70s with mates and family from Dalmuir, surveying a very full CP, maybe 40,000, and my uncle Daniel saying “That looks like 27,000 to me… what d’ye think?” to hollow laughter. Because the registered attendance was always 27,000.
That was the boards of Bob Kelly and Desmond White. Boards are boards; fans are fans.
We seem to have it as a strand of our DNA that we NEVER improve from a position of strength.
Champions of Europe. Did we kick on? Naw. We built a stand, from which we could get a great view of our next generation of top players slowly but surely leave us, one by one.
The Board expected Mr Stein to continue to pull rabbits out of the hat without any acknowledgement that, in the 70s, football had changed utterly.
These days you’d call it corporate negligence.
This is what concerns me the most. 50 years on, and the disconnect between board and fans is as huge as it was back then.
I know the board’s fiduciary duties, and they have fulfilled them, and then some.
But what about our soul?
DELANEYS DUNKY on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 9:36 PM
I found Mr. White cold , aloof and domineering.
Perhaps borne of personal experiences with fans , he kept his distance.
Not very Timmy.
Fieldofdrams
Christopher White was another I met.
He made my skin crawl.
He was taking commission for supplying our supporters bus with tickets. Reptile
CHAIRBHOY on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 9:07 PM
That is indeed a very interesting thought.
It may explain a reluctance to rock the domestic boat or to prove to be a thorn in the side of UEFA.
Keeping our noses clean.
Bigger fish to fry.
Any advance in the metaphor stakes ?
THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY
I’m sorry TOSB – i started replying to your post but spun off into a rant.
If, ch4 took up the Resolution 12 story, they’d probably ask why Celtic’s rebel (lol) supporter’s, didny do what, Sinn Fein, the “real” rebels did, when they found out about the DUP’s corruption, at the heart of government, with the RHI corruption, Sinn Fein emptied awe the seats at the Satanic Stormont, and pulled the house down!
Celtic supporters should have done the same with Scottish football, anything else is back of the bus.
The difference is……
Sinn Fein are the “real” rebels, and take no crap.
Celtic supporters of 2018, just sing about rebels, because they hivny got the balls to be “real” rebels!
Hopefully, I’ll be proved wrong. I was wrong before,….once.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
In other news the zombies in the walking dead are begining to talk.
One was heard saying “we are the same club, going for 55” aaaagghhh
Bring on the Rosenborg
HH
D. :)
Franny
Mon the Bankies!
Don’t mean the real Clydebank, who are about to play Celtic in the Scottish Cup.
YNWA
THE EXILED TIM on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 9:35 PM
I keep seeing post saying that those who are what they perceive as anti board are the problem on here, fine, if that’s the way you see it, I personally beg to differ, I see it as the polar opposite.
Out of many, many posters who would be in the anti board camp as it were I have yet to see them attacking the ” pro ” board posters for their opinions, I disagree with so so many posts on here by those who can’t see the board doing no wrong, can’t say that I have ever jumped on them for their stance, I react when called out, but NEVER have I called them out for their beliefs, that can not be said for the pro board posters, I was accused wrongly the other night of slagging cqn, utter garbage, never have and never would, I have to much respect for our host and the vast majority of people who post here, it’s been a wonderful blog to me and countless others, yet some feel the need to chastise us for our beliefs, that is what’s sad. Oh and I will always back up anything I say, whether you agree with it or not is another matter.
If you don’t like what someone posts, scroll on by and leave out the pathetic childish boo hoo digs, scrolling by works wonders.
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smiley scrolled right by that post thing
regards to the smile
Braw
hail hail
GP
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Braw
;-)
If only PAUL67 could have picked up the RES12 gauntlet , the esteem in which hes held i think a lot more would have jumoed on the bandwagon and pused for for action .
Also , we all got involved with the CELTIC TRUSTS push for signatures for the obafac , pity they dont or didnt have the same drive to get RES12 to a wider audience , imagine all the blogs and their leaders pulling in the one / same direction …..anyhoo , it is was it is , mores the pity .
Ps…if any harm comes to our fans at Ibrox .. we will have brought it on ourselves ….media cant help themselves .
Apols for the typos and post ??
GREENINBINGLEYINOSLO on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 9:51 PM
THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY on 26TH NOVEMBER 2018 8:54 PM
I agree with most of your post – I remember standing many times in the Jungle in the late 60s and 70s with mates and family from Dalmuir, surveying a very full CP, maybe 40,000, and my uncle Daniel saying “That looks like 27,000 to me… what d’ye think?” to hollow laughter. Because the registered attendance was always 27,000.
That was the boards of Bob Kelly and Desmond White. Boards are boards; fans are fans.
We seem to have it as a strand of our DNA that we NEVER improve from a position of strength.
Champions of Europe. Did we kick on? Naw. We built a stand, from which we could get a great view of our next generation of top players slowly but surely leave us, one by one.
The Board expected Mr Stein to continue to pull rabbits out of the hat without any acknowledgement that, in the 70s, football had changed utterly.
These days you’d call it corporate negligence.
This is what concerns me the most. 50 years on, and the disconnect between board and fans is as huge as it was back then.
I know the board’s fiduciary duties, and they have fulfilled them, and then some.
But what about our soul?
……………………………
Having problems tonight! Lost my reply to you so here we go again :-))
You pose an interesting question: What about our soul?
I think this arises for individuals or organisations who want to achieve success. It can be someone who is promoted at work and is no longer one of the boys. The Beatles enjoyed great success but they dumped a Pete Best and replaced him with Ringo. Was anyone’s conscience troubled?
I think Celtic fans think of the Club as being one of the more principled clubs in football but we have had our own episodes that we might want to draw a veil over. The Club thought Jock’s best days were behind him but wasn’t it shabby how they went about it. Another episode (and I celebrated like most others) was the Legia incident. We celebrated that we weren’t knocked out after all, even though we had been well beaten, home and away, by a far superior team who lost out on a technicality. It was a bit shabby, with hindsight.
I think there is almost always a trade off between success and soul or (the loss of it).
GREENBINGLEYINOSLO
No apology required. I enjoyed your post. It’s always good when someone comes up with a point that hadn’t been considered.
Delaney’s
Aye, White was a reptile right enough but the one that made my skin crawl was Michael Kelly. A face that I would never tire of punching. His ‘peripheral homes’ comment was a low point.
MIKE IN TORONTO @ 9:13 PM,
Yes, get that, the money would be most welcome. My thoughts were more on, as it has been put… the soul of the Club… but guess we’ll have to wait and see. Barcelona for all their riches have proven time and again they’re more than a Club.
Interesting comparison between sports stars salaries and those who run the country.
Arguably Dennis Bergkamp was the best Footballer in Britain when Tony Blair came to power… my guess would be Dennis’s salary dwarfed Tony’s… wonder whose richest now!?
THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY @ 9:38 PM,
It’s very annoying to lose a post, luckily it’s pretty infrequent for me nowadays, would have loved to hear your thoughts.
I sincerely believe it will come to fruition, sooner rather than later for me.
MACJAY1 @ 9:56 PM,
That is was my thoughts exactly, if you look at the controversies over the last seasons, the strategy the Board follow would be in line with that thinking.
Also investment decisions, why so much on the stadium, why lights, why a Hotel… in the proposed scenario these things are no brainers.
You know, sometimes the grass is greener:)
Hail Hail
800 Sevco 2012, or whatever they are called – followers, came to Celtic park, earlier this season, receiving special attention from Police Scotland through distrupting 59000 Celtic fans.
Why should 800 Celtic fans, not get the same special attention of Police Scotland, to allow them to attend the Hovel, and disrupt only 49000 others ?
Why should Celtic fans be treated differently ?
Attend the game and let the Police and Sevco security deal with crowd
I understand others views, and easy for me, as I will not be there, ever
But never will they ever bully me
Marspapa
How you bro?
Was at the game in Hamilton on Saturday.
In the Academicals Vaults wi Pogmahon and Hennessey wi Gutenberg. Magical day oot in Hamilton. Got to Hamilton Central for train to Dalmuir, to be met wi mad Gerry Cinnamon/Courteeners fans going to hydro for their gig. Surprisingly they were all Hamilton Tims. Great sing song.
She’s a Belter and Discoland and Scott Sinclair song popular fae Hamilton to SEC Station. Magic
YNWA
kev aint it funny how you have been mocked on here seems like eternity,but you were one of the first ghuys to wish Annette well, so it is with great sadness that Annette passed away tonight at 18 mins past nine, the sacred heart on one side and a pic of Jorge on the other, alas they would not let me in with Jorge but I managed to get him up to her window so she seen him during her last breath ,that sight will never leave me until I pass,big shout out out to greeninpinata and mcjay for there lovely thoughts,.so life goes on we have Jorge, and I know she died in peace knowing we love him. so go on you ghuys tear kev, greeninpinata and mcjay for helping a woman go to see her maker.hh. and god bless Annette.
ChairBhoy
I’m off to bed but I’ll try to reply to your post tomorrow – not that I disagreed with any of it. It is an exciting scenario.
BP
Sad news about Annette.
Jorge is in good hands.
HH
ConeyBhoy: if you are a member of the AICSC you could raise your issue with them.
weefra….
what is the wee dugs name?
smiley that is a very fortunate wee dug thing
hello to the Boss
Braw
Big Packy
Sorry to hear that
May Annette Rest In Peace
And Let Perpetual Light Shine Upon her Soul
Right, jumping a couple of pages here but, ‘The Sectarian’ singing at the AGM????
Was it not someone from the floor who mentioned it? Not Bankier, whoever he is :-)
Was reading the timeline tweets as the AGM happened and it had nowt to do with Bankier.
Maybe I’m wrong, if not, get yer targets right….
BP
Sorry to read about Annette.
she was lucky to have had Jorge, you and Joan as friends.
BP
Perpetual rest for Annette.
May the souls of the faithful departed Rest In Peace.
Time to draw a respectful veil over inside bickering.
Evening all.
When our mob went to support Celtic, from the 60s, no one ever even mentioned the board. Never ever came up in conversation. That’s why I have had never ever ending pleasure watching my beloved Celtic. ????
Braw.
Thanks for asking. He was named Spud, so we just kept it. His nickname is tattiehied. Lol. We are as well as can be expected and I hope you and yours are in great condition. ??????????HH
Sorry, missed it. What is the issue with BP.
DELANEYS DUNKY
Consider yourself and that Guttenburg guy aff ma christmas card list … didney get an invite , tells you a lot about ma company lol.
Aye its a good wee boozer on matchdays , glad you had another good day out , remember meeting you , Hamiltontim and the Minx in there a while back .