Read this morning that the Tynecastle pitch is 19-years-old. Celtic’s is less than three-years-old. Hearts have responded quickly to criticisms of their surface and will have a new pitch laid before the end of the month. Having a top quality football pitch in Scotland isn’t a cheap business. Celtic pay £500k per year in running, maintenance and depreciation costs for the sunlamp system which keeps the grass as alive as it is. On top of that there’s costs for ground staff, under-soil heating and various other equipment.
And more at Lennoxtown, of course. You wouldn’t believe the costs involved in running a football operation at a club with facilities the size of Celtic Park and Lennoxtown. Modern football in massive stadiums isn’t something you can carry out on a shoestring.
On the Newco debacle at Dundee yesterday; this wouldn’t have happened under Mike Ashely’s watch, whether you regard that particular scenario as malevolent or benevolent. With an active link to Ashley, Newco would benefit from professionalism in the boardroom and better players in the dressing room. What we’re now enjoying is 100% the work of Dave King, who during his electioneering phase promised so much.
Instead of an Ashley appointed CEO, manager and selection of players from Newcastle’s secondary squad, they’ve sacked their manager and given the guy who put the cones out for the youth team responsibility to finish above Aberdeen. The upshot of this is that the players they need to dig them out of this mess – like Kenny Miller who is not being offered a new contract – know that the decks will be cleared for the new manager. This is a perfect way to demotivate a squad.
If Celtic (or Aberdeen) win the Scottish Cup, the top four Premiership places qualify for Europe, which would be reassuring for Newco, were it not for St Johnstone, who sit six points adrift from them. But unlike Newco, St Johnstone only have to play Celtic one more time this season. Saints manager Tommy Wright will smell blood on the brown brogues. Don’t bet against him.
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MACJAY
Instead of throwing your usual mantra of “Facts,please. Not opinion” why don’t you try the same?
Your reply is one of the great What If… scenarios that you regularly throw in here. Why don’t YOU check Celtic’s legal requirements in such cases?
There is NO requirement for anyone to offer the police such information upon demand. People are still entitled to the full protection of the law,innocence presumed,etc.
Another example of the “if you have nothing to hide,you have nothing to fear” garbage put about by those who really should know better,but only find out the hard way-like so many-that the law might not be on their side after all.
I’m not a twin but I was born on my birthday, which is a different day to the birthdays of my 3 brothers and sisters. Apparently the chances of that happening were absolutely enormous.
The Unverse? Mcgonagall?
Universe, of course.
Just had a look at that story re the twins http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39028140
To be fair the odds must be reduced by the fact they are clearly at like like rabbits. That’s not a family, that’s a congregation.
QUANTUM
An amazing stat,must have been some party on 9/10 in your house!
Speaking of which,I assume your parents weren’t invited to any New Year parties(!)
BlantyreKev ( You oul statistician you) ,
I bumped into two identical girls once, and when speaking to them one of them told me that they were very proud to be a pair of triplets!
BK
Quite astonishingly, I share those same, remarkable coincidences.
Quantum
As amazing as the physics of which I am reminded when I see your name !
ernie
A wee bit of a philosophical number here:
If a song is not sung, does it still exist as a song?
JJ
Hahaha, I know a father of triplets, when first meeting someone his stock answer to whether he has kids is “Yes, triplets. One of each”
I see jj has said his source on “ticketmoneygate” is a Morton man with 50 years media experience.
While stopping short of naming him, I think his sensational story could lead to a bit of a stramash.
If i was one of Cristina Hendriks triplets, i would be the one on the bottle…:((
HOT SMOKED on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:14 AM
I’m not saying it isn’t sung. I’m saying I haven’t heard it sung. If it isn’t sung at all it’s still a song. Probably a folk song.
The point is though it doesn’t help our cause if people deny the existence of something that does exist.
!BADA BING!
Drum roll…
BlantyreKev on 21st February 2017 9:10 am
I should have put the link in on my first post.
I e-mailed the BBC about my family but suspect they wont believe me.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:06 AM
I stated no facts in my post to HamiltonTim who claimed that the Celtic Board passed on to the police the addresses of some Celtic supporters.
I asked a series of questions precisely because I don`t know facts , but I do know how the law works.
If the police ask Celtic to provide certain information , Celtic would unquestionably take legal advice and would undoubtedly follow it.
What in the above is an unreasonable assumption ?
The alternative is to assume that the Board are in league with the police against Celtic supporters.
I don`t believe that.
ernie
I think the only thing that would `help our cause` would be a monumental change in the social mores of Scotland.
JJ
ERNIELYNCH
There are plenty of sayings,writings,songs,etc,which are proscribed but are a matter of historical record. Yes,they exist,but only in the past.
I’ve honestly never heard the song anywhere. Suggesting it is still sung at all-much less widely-and using it to defend their own moronic behaviour,is as stupid as calling 21st C Germans a bunch of Nazis.
I was told of a father who had a son and daughter who were twins being asked if his offspring were identical twins .
Bobby.
Section 89(2) of the Police Act 1996 makes it an offence for a person to resist or wilfully obstruct a police constable acting in the execution of his duty, or to do likewise in relation to a person assisting the constable in the execution of his duty. It is the latest in a line of statutory provisions which has criminalized such behaviour: see, for example, s.2 of the Prevention of Crimes Amendment Act 1885. The wilful obstruction offence consists of three elements: there must be an obstruction; that obstruction must be “wilful”; and at the time that it occurs, the police constable must have been acting in the execution of his duty. In the absence of a statutory definition of any of the three elements it has proved necessary for the courts to determine their meaning. Thus, for example, in Hinchcliffe v. Sheldon [1955] 1 WLR 1207, it was held that to obstruct a police constable involved making it more difficult for the constable to carry out his duty. This meaning of “obstruct” in the present context was later affirmed in the leading case of Rice v. Connolly [1966] 2 QB 414, where it was necessary for the court to consider whether refusing to cooperate with a police constable, in the sense of not answering his questions and refusing to accompany him to a police box, made Rice guilty of the offence.
If Arthur is the source that’s truelly amazing given he passed on a few years ago.
Maybe he is johnjames source for stories about first rangers.
Macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 21st February 2017 8:51 am
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 8:26 AM
Thanks for your input.
Is the Data Protection Act of any significance in this case ?
This was not about data but about individuals being sought by the police.
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The crux of the matter here is that Celtic hold personal data on season ticket holders; under the Data Protection Act that data can only be used for the specific purpose for which it is held and can only be shared without the individuals consent.
Is it permissible for Celtic to provide that Data to Police Scotland under the Act? The jury should be out on that one; it’s not as Celtic have provided the information without, it seems, being compelled to.
IMHO Police Scotland should have to make their case in the court to compel Celtic to release the data if it is in fact legally obliged to do. To my knowledge, that hasn’t happened yet!
KTF
MACJAY
If you know how the law works,you will understand the importance of evidence. So why do you ignore evidence that doesn’t sit comfortably with you?
Hamiltontim has provided you with plenty of examples on here,as have others. My personal opinion is that they have been badly advised/chosen the path of least resistance,rather than acting maliciously against our supporters. But that is no comfort to those who have been hounded as a result of the club’s unnecessary acquiescence.
GARYGILLESPIESHAMSTRING on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:17 AM
“I see jj has said his source on “ticketmoneygate” is a Morton man with 50 years media experience.”
While stopping short of naming him, I think his sensational story could lead to a bit of a stramash.
*****
No, he said he is a man with 50 years media experience, whose source was a director of Morton FC.
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:30 AM
If you’re going to C&P stuff, give a link.
If you’re going to C&P stuff about legal issues affecting Celtic maybe try picking the correct jurisdiction.
Quantum
A brilliant story sir, they really should follow up. Thanks for sharing it.
Morning all. HH
Beatbhoy
Thanks.
Misread that.
WEEFRATHETIM
Ffs,oul’ yin. The clocks don’t go forward for another month yet!
How you doing?
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:32 AM
How do you know that the matter is about data ?
It certainly may be.
It may be related to video evidence , visual identification and perhaps seating numbers.
Again.
Celtic would surely have taken legal advice and followed it.
That being the case , blame the lawyers not the Board.
Can we agree on that ?
ERNIE LYNCH on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:35 AM
Having taken an interest , perhaps you would be kind enough to perform the necessary.
I grew up in Coatbridge and have attended Celtic Park for over 40 years. I’ve never ever heard Celtic supporters singing a song about the Ibrox disaster – either inside the stadium or at any impromptu or organised sing-song. And believe me, we had plenty of community singing in Coatbridge. That doesn’t mean a song doesn’t exist, but it’s clear to me that this song is never heard and indeed for some it is unheard of – first I knew about it was reading it on here.
Let’s focus on the the real issue. This is being used by some to excuse the huns’ sectarian behaviour and singing that we see and hear week-in week-out. There’s really no comparison. I do not know why the people on Radio Clyde can’t simply state that the Tommy Burns song is moronic, sectarian etc. and condemn it. The fact that they immediately look to find a comparison tells you all you need to know. It’s not just the morons sing a song about TB that need to take a look at themselves – the media who casually condone and excuse it that should be hanging their heads in shame.
Gooooooooood morning weefra
Maidín maith uilig
BIGBONES
Nice lift,and well done.
Thing is,I make your return before bonus £6555. So a 50% bonus should have given you around £9830. Just saying.
I’d be more than happy wi the seven grand,mind!
Beg yer pardon the bonus was in fact 10% of course!!!
HH BB
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:32 AM
MACJAY
If you know how the law works,you will understand the importance of evidence. So why do you ignore evidence that doesn’t sit comfortably with you?
Hamiltontim has provided you with plenty of examples on here,as have others. My personal opinion is that they have been badly advised/chosen the path of least resistance,rather than acting maliciously against our supporters. But that is no comfort to those who have been hounded as a result of the club’s unnecessary acquiescence.
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Evidence ?
Proof ?
Badly advised perhaps.
As I suggested above , sack the lawyers.
No , Bobby.
Just my response really , to the perennial Board bashing at a time when we should all be showering them in congratulations and united in supporting them.
Just as Brendan does.
THAT is my point .
Saint Stivs
“SAINT STIVS on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:31 AM
“If Arthur is the source that’s truelly amazing given he passed on a few years ago.
Maybe he is johnjames source for stories about first rangers.”
*****
A good few years ago, when my wife’s patience ran out about me wearing the same old jacket to work, and she came home with a newly-bought checked one, I knew what my work nickname was going to be for the foreseeable future!
Don’t shoot the messenger….
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23. The Club operates CCTV cameras around and in the Stadium, which are monitored and recorded for the purposes of public safety and crime prevention.
24. In accordance with the Data Protection Act, the Club may provide information regarding persons to the authorities where it is necessary for the purposes of prevention or detection of crime and the capture or prosecution of offenders.
MACJAY
This isn’t about anyone’s opinions,rightly or wrongly,of the board. It’s about people being criminalised with the help of the board. So it is way more important than you and I having different levels of support for PL et al.
The police are the real culprits here,btw. They should not be asking for information that they know they are not entitled to have from that source. But they appear to have limitless powers in this respect,with the blessing of Holyrood.
HOT SMOKED 8.27
Yup mate boobed with that, looking too far ahead. Apologised in comments.
Thanks for reading though.
I reckon if I am a Hun I hide it well.
THETIMREAPER on 21ST FEBRUARY 2017 9:59 AM
In accordance with the Data Protection Act, the Club may provide information regarding persons to the authorities where it is necessary for the purposes of prevention or detection of crime and the capture or prosecution of offenders.
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That wording suggests that the Club is providing the information as a matter of choice, rather than because they are legally required to do so.