Interesting angle in today’s Telegraph: “Celtic are the only club in Scotland, apart from Rangers, who are known to have used an EBT contract”. Why are we part of this conversation? Despite the millions of words written on the subject of EBTs over the last six years, there appears to be a curious misunderstanding about them.
Juninho arrived at Celtic with an EBT from earlier in his career. Celtic funded this Trust around the time the player left the club, informed HMRC about the transaction, and paid the tax due. No side letters (contracts) were issued with regard to this Trust. No information was hidden from HMRC or football authorities.
The conversation went a bit like this:
Celtic: Hi HMRC, Celtic here. We’ve paid Mr Juninho’s EBT £Xk. What is our tax position?
HMRC: £Yk tax is due on that payment.
Celtic: Thanks. Will pay today.
EBTs are in themselves not illegal, nor even immoral. They were introduced to allow employers a framework to give loans to employees. Many employers, formally or informally, give loans to employees to cover everything from crises to Christmas expenses. Or migration expenses, which is occasionally the case in football. That some use EBTs to attempt to put income beyond the reach of taxation is a reflection on those clubs, not others who openly declare EBT payments to HMRC and pay any corresponding tax.
The newspaper goes on to offer a defence against HMRC, almost as though it was dictated from David Murray himself: “it is believed that one argument against the supposition that Rangers secured players by means of EVTs (sic.) is that a range of variable inducements were in operation at that time and not only at Ibrox.
“Other avoidance schemes involved investment in such vehicles as film production companies and forestry development.”
Yes, a range of other inducements were available – legal ones. Other people legally used other schemes. It’s clarity of thought like this being a defence of Rangers that which put them into such a mess to begin with.
Delighted to read Rangers Tax Case back with such insight last night. Catch up with him here if you missed it.
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OE FILIPPIS HAIRCUT on 2ND DECEMBER 2015 10:00 AM
Well it looks as though Stokes is even nearer the exit door this morning having now been given a two week suspension its a pity as he is far from the worst player at Celtic.However he is being well paid at Celtic and should not be kicking off at going to Inverness and being in the stand.H.H.
I openly admit to having extreme views on things.
However, the Stokes case is just another example of why players ,especially Celtic ones, should not be allowed within a hundred miles of the media in any form.
As for his complaint. Thousands of fans would give an eye tooth for a seat on the team bus and a night in a decent hotel.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/so-stressed-juninho-film-productions-get-an-airing/comment-page-15/#comment-2730261
Stokes was wrong, but was it any worse than Commons’ outburst caught live on TV?
Árd Macha,
Is it crazy how saying sentences backwards creates backwards sentences saying how crazy it is?
GreeninbinglyinOslo….Nice one..:)..Laughed at That..
Driving to the airport this morning and was struck but completely unsurprised by Shortbread’s coverage of ipox last night.
News to gladden the hearts etc as 4-0 win puts them top of the league….not a mention of dilapidated stadium.
Potential naming rights though – Stade Portacabin anyone?
Main item on Call Kaye was of course the ‘yes, no, maybe so’ drama of THE yellow card.
Rwe’s post about the tolerance of intolerance was characteristically wise as ever. Absolute free speech does allow personal abuse and unsubstantiated allegations. But it’s a sure fire scroll past blog killer.
Aff oot
Please blog responsibly
HH jamesgang
Here here through the bums out.
http://youtu.be/_EMD46GsQhw
I thought Stokes produced a MOM performance at the League Cup final, a place he seems to excel. The following midweek, again against DU he was sent off, right at the end of the Scottish Cup replay, he has never been seen since. I’m thinking that incident and maybe afters is responsible.
PHILBHOY. I am happy its your last word you did what you thought you had to do but in my book you are in the wrong as anyone else on the blog.The blog is self- moderating and has been as long as I have been on it the minute you bring in Paul 67 the self- moderating has gone and the relationship is completely different. However, I have already said you did what you thought you had to do have a Good Day. H.H.
BGX.how about get another coffee n’roll n’bacon.
True story alert.
The huns are being ‘linked’ with a move for some superstar from Accrington called , wait for it……..
“CROOKS”
Please insert your own gag here.
couldnaemakeitupcsc
Anyway…If i was a betting man( ahem)..my dough would be on Warburtton( Good eh) Being away when the season Ends..The old ” Family down South” one..I see mccoll doing his ” mad to leave ” bit in the papers, ..Methinks hes for the off…
Fav Uncle….D…Yes i could do that..When?
DHARMA BAM. Fella what you say is correct but If you have read all my posts on the subject you will see my views on the subject Have a Good Day.H.H.
BGX on 2nd December 2015 10:22 am
no plans for visit soon but size of my family bound to be a wedding or christening coming up.
TAURANGABHOY on 2ND DECEMBER 2015 9:14 AM
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You really believe stokes has only played 6 or so good games for us ?
Sorry but I think that’s very unfair , scored many and created many for us… Maybe someone else might have his stats handy .
Plus his partnership with hooper was excellent ..never thought stokes had what it takes in Europe but has been good servant in the domestic game.
From the sublime to the ridiculous.
From my perspective I don’t want to see any good Tim chased off this site or red carded. I certainly don’t want Tony Donnelly to go. I have an extremely peculiar sense of humour and some of his stuff makes me roar with laughter. In fact I know this is not P.C. but I found the post he got yellow carded for extremely funny.
Having said that there has to be some rules or decorum in every society, Club or in this case Blog.
Paul rarely intervenes but when he does he is entitled to be listened to.
A good few years ago, I got a rap in the knuckles for posting the words of a song from 1920, which contained the words IRA. I thought and still do think that Paul was wrong on that occasion, but whether I thought he was wrong or not is immaterial.
He runs the blog, so he is entitled to set the rules. I had the option to flounce back then and I seriously considered it but in the end I decided at that time I enjoyed the blog too much, so I just shut my gob and got on with it.
A lot of good friends including my first and best CQN pal, rarely if ever post now, and in truth I don’t blame them, I’m still hanging in there but only just.
Dharma…,
I think JFH is simply trying to ensure Paul’s rules are circumvented with the criminals code of never grass, that way the criminals get away with everything they want.
A comment yesterday about self-policing is accepted as the general consensus I think but when that was actually put into practice, a few came on and called it ganging up and bullying.
JFH defends people right to bully and intimidate, in fact he wants to keep violence against fellow CQN’ers a secret and out of bounds for discussion because his champion is the only one accused by people I trust, what are JFH’s motives, that is the question we need to be asking.
Resolution 12 was discussed, a few different versions were put together, then Tony Donnelly appeard on CQN and began insulting and trying to intimidate anyone connected with it, the tried to singlehandely derail it, failed moserably and has never stopped insulting anyone connected with it even in the face of the evidence that the Celtic Board are working with us to furthers its effect. He then turned his attention on the Celtic Trust and anyone connected with it.
As yet I’ve to read a single post about football from him, honestly ask yourself the last time you read a post from him talking about football ?
JFH
Yes I found it strange that only one yellow card was issued, so it was all just me, no one else just me, I get it, ah well, as long as I know where I stand, but running to the headmaster? Come oooon?
FAV UNCLE..ok D..next time you up let me know..Now i Gotta go…I Have an Appointment with Mr caMORONS finest…Later..
Thank you.
It would be for the best if the blog was self moderating, however it’s Paul’s blog and I would assume he would have some personal responsibility if something inappropriate,questionable or legally actionable (in whatever way) was posted on here . That’s the reason why links to live football streams are not allowed on here.
Paul’s blog, Paul’s rules
I hope you have a good day, too.
What a bummer for Stokes picking up another suspension in the same week his old one ended :)
HH
Morning Canalamar I see your writing your fiction again this morning. I see you and TD67 as very similar types of blogger and that perhaps is why you are hounding him.However, I think you two good Celtic supporters might get on very well over a pint. I dont think the blog was set up for posters to insult each other but definately a place to air your views now it seems some bloggers can do that while others are taken to task just my point of view. H.H.
CANAMALAR on 2ND DECEMBER 2015 10:28 AM
Dharma…,
I think JFH is simply trying to ensure Paul’s rules are circumvented with the criminals code of never grass, that way the criminals get away with everything they want.
A comment yesterday about self-policing is accepted as the general consensus I think but when that was actually put into practice, a few came on and called it ganging up and bullying.
JFH defends people right to bully and intimidate, in fact he wants to keep violence against fellow CQN’ers a secret and out of bounds for discussion because his champion is the only one accused by people I trust, what are JFH’s motives, that is the question we need to be asking.
Resolution 12 was discussed, a few different versions were put together, then Tony Donnelly appeard on CQN and began insulting and trying to intimidate anyone connected with it, the tried to singlehandely derail it, failed moserably and has never stopped insulting anyone connected with it even in the face of the evidence that the Celtic Board are working with us to furthers its effect. He then turned his attention on the Celtic Trust and anyone connected with it.
As yet I’ve to read a single post about football from him, honestly ask yourself the last time you read a post from him talking about football ?
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/so-stressed-juninho-film-productions-get-an-airing/comment-page-15/#comment-2730285
This isn’t personnel right?
I thought we where done, no one telling this poster to move on, funny that eh?
Post a silly comment on Twitter,suspended for two weeks effectively your Celtic career is over.Show utter disregard for Celtic and the supporters broadcasted all over Europe and you play the next game.
Don’t tell me it’s about football matters,high heid ones hands all over this.
Sorry, my last post was a reply to JFH.
I took so long to word it, my reply got detached from the thread of JFH’s.
Canamalar, JFH’s posts did sound as thought they came from a position of “nobody likes a tell-tale” . That’s why I thought I should repeat Paul’s request to be informed. The blog has rules for a reason and if we break them, it’s possible that it’s Paul who suffers the consequences, and that’s why his rules supercede any informal self policing we might undertake.
Canamalar
http://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU
Fanadpatriot
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As I’ve been saying for years on here….Celtic FC / PLC
are a, rudderless ship that’s about to crash into a runaway train.
Who’s fault is that ?
Who pays those who condone it ?
Ach…..canny be bothered, bye.
JFH,
Unlike Dharma, I have been keeping up with your posts and have been for a long time, free speech is not high on your agenda, division is.
I have to disagree with your assessment of my blogging, yep I’m adversarial however I always stand to be corrected, I’ve fallen out with just about everyone on this blog, I have been corrected and accepted correction on the grounds of discussion and enlightenment many times and apologised to many people for what I considered going over the top, I generally did. Not need people to “gang up on me” I recognised myself where I was going wrong.
Remind us all, the last time Tony accepted any information on res 12 or the Celtic Trust might be more informed that his own ignorant opinion ?
Awe nawwwwwwwwwww
http://youtu.be/j3IoqDLrljw
Joe Filippis Haircut
Im not a fan of Stokes particularly but I do think he is a good footballer and a clever finisher. His achiles heel was an absolute lack of pace. This has presumably got worse with age – I wouldn’t know as its been a long time since he played in any game I’ve watched.
I think over the piece he did ok and I felt he supported Hooper’s contribution more than he perhaps got credit for.
He is now IMO just taking up a berth in the squad that would be better given to either a young developing striker from the youths or even better a proven striker that we should have bought pre season.
I’m expecting a clear out in January and he’ll be among those departing. Unless Ciftci does something spectacular – I’d make an early call on him and get some money back. Cole clearly not the answer so a striker to take the weight off Griffiths a must get in January.
Does anyone know how long Stokes has on his contract and how much it is worth?
He may do a Bobo Balde on Lawwell and just sit it out? There has to be a shrewder way of resolving this – otherwise CEO of Stokes may pipe up….
Cults..,
I think suspending him saves money on wages
CANALAMAR. Your understand nothing about my position that is evident by your blogs TD67 has already asked this morning after him receiving a yellow card he thought that was the end of the matter and the blog moves on but not so it seems you wish to start all over again. I see he has not had the courtesy of a reply from you. For myself you ask my motivation and that is very simple to see CQN as a harmonious blog where all bloggers can air there views in tolerance seems a simple idea to me.So why dont we all try that ? h.h.
A sunny 17 degrees -way down south .
Serie A .
Napoli are clear at the top for the first time since 1990 . Playing really well , playing beautiful football . I hope they go on to win the Scudetto..
Napoli is the epitome of a 1 fitba team city . . When they won the 90/ 91 Scudetto, Ultras festooned the graveyards in Napoli with striscione which read ——– ” DEARLY DEPARTED _YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING “.
On the reasons to be cheerful front -saw my insurance broker yesterday re my soon come trip to Istanbul — ” ” your travel insurance doesn’t include cover re terrorism “..
Back to work -way down south.
For some light relief , we beat Killie 4-2at CP 20 years ago today. 2nd Dec, 1995.
We were 2-0 down coming up to half time. Remember this game well. Blowy day an I thin only the north stand was open (attendance would seem to back this up.
Oh, Peter Grant Scored!
That result put us 4 points behind rangers in thorough, the gap remained at 4 when the final ball was kicked.
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Teams
Celtic:(3-5-2)
Marshall, Boyd, Hughes, McKinlay, Donnelly (McLaughlin 87), McStay, Grant, Collins, McNamara, van Hooijdonk, Thom (Hay 80).
Kilmarnock:(4-4-2):
Lekovic, MacPherson, Whitworth, Anderson, Black, Mitchell, Reilly, Connor (Henry 80), Holt, Wright (McKee 45), Brown.
Yellow card: Anderson (Kilmarnock)
Scorers: Mitchell (7) 0-1: Brown (24) 0-2; Grant (42) 1-2; Thom (43) 2-2; van Hooijdonk (61) 3- 2; van Hooijdonk (64) 4-2;
Referee: R Tait (East Kilbride)
Attendance: 33,812
The Herald (Glasgow)
December4, 1995
Parkhead men jolted from slumbers;Killie strikes stingCelticinto action
BYLINE:Ian Paul;
NOT being one of the natives, Pierre van Hooydonk may be unaware of Burns (the bard, not the manager), but, afterCeltic’sremarkable recovery, he gave a pretty accurate description of Rabbie’s perception of what happens to the best laid plans.The Dutchman, scorer of two goals against the luckless Killie, explained that he and his colleagues had talked before the game of getting a good start, scoring early, and getting the crowd behind them.
“Then it went wrong, they scored, we couldn’t get going, and nobody wanted the ball,” he said, “but after half-time everybody wanted the ball. That was the difference.”
Pierre is also beginning to understand the Scottish football critics’ mentality.”I think it is quite usual in Scotland that when a foreigner first comes here they look at his good points, but after a couple of weeks they must find things to criticise. But Andreas (Thom) and I can handle that.”
Thom, sitting beside his loquacious colleague, does not have the same command of English but he was able to get across the message that the Parkhead team is determined to keep Rangers in their sights as the championship race progresses.
Although van Hooydonk was the sponsors’ man of the match, many of us thought Thom had even greater influence on the day’s events, while Tommy Burns reckoned Peter Grant was the outstanding player of the day.
The divergence of opinion might illustrate how wellCelticplayed later on but for most of the first half they had looked like a team going through the motions.
“I think we started nervously,” was how Thom put it. He didn’t explain why but, whatever the cause, theKilmarnockteam soon sensed that they had a real chance of delighting the bookies.
When Ally Mitchell scored their first goal, after Gordon Marshall had dropped a Tom Black cross, although he did seem to be impeded by Mitchell, the vast majority of the 33,812 on site was reduced to mild annoyance but, when Tom Brown headed in the second, there was something akin to apoplexy in the stands.
By then, Burns admitted, he was thinking up expletives in preparation for his half-time dressing-room admonishment. He then had to pack them away for another day as his players conjured up two goals inside a minute, both of which infuriated Killie manager Alex Totten, who could not believe his side would collapse in such dramatic fashion.
Paul Wright was guilty of dithering when he lost the ball to Thom, although he might have been fouled in the process, and the next moment the German had laid the ball on the head of Grant.
There was virtually no time for the Ayrshire lot to regather as van Hooydonk played the sweetest of passes to Thom, who took his time before hitting the equaliser. The mugged had got up and belted the muggers.
There was really no way out for Killie then. Two goals up onCelticat Parkhead and controlling the game, they will never have a better chance of making a name for themselves.
Celtic, having come alive, then gave their supporters a treat, scoring two more goals, each by van Hooydonk.
The first was a well-worked 1-2 with Simon Donnelly and the second an easy task after brilliant play by Thom and John Collins.
The party was in full swing, withCelticplaying the knockabout game to such effect that, on one occasion, they made more than 30 passes beforeKilmarnockintervened, and that was with a foul that earned Derek Anderson a booking.
“Without disrespect toKilmarnock, we have to beat teams like them at home if we are to keep in the championship,” said van Hooydonk, who admitted that before the season even began he had anticipated a two-horse race with Rangers.
That, in his view, is progress forCeltic. “There is a hell of a difference from last season, although we still have a lot to learn. But we are trying to play football all the time.”
Burns thought Grant was “immense” but now has to think about picking a team without him and John Hughes, as both are suspended for the next three matches. Phil O’Donnell should be about ready to return by the weekend, however, to slot into the midfield, while he has plenty of options in the heart of defence, with Rudi Vata or Malcolm Mackay ready to come in.
For Totten, the day that had begun so thrillingly ended in abject disappointment. He left out Wright for the second half, although indicating it was only because he wanted to try Colin McKee’s pace up front, and he clearly was very angry at the way the two goals were lost just before the break.
“There are times when you play football and times when you clear your lines,” he said. “For more than 40 minutesKilmarnockshowed that they are as good as any team in the league but you can’t give away goals like that. We laid it on a plate forCeltic.”
Remind us all, the last time Tony accepted any information on res 12 or the Celtic Trust might be more informed that his own ignorant opinion ? – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/so-stressed-juninho-film-productions-get-an-airing/comment-page-15/#comment-2730297
I can’t get involved with this I’v been asked to move on, I have, so should you, just saying like, hope I’m not getting personal ?
With all this civil war going on between posters just now should we debate the merits of Bombing Castlemilk? ;)
I think calling someone ignorant is over the top, not that I’m complaining mind you, someone will bring this to the attention of the proper authorities Shirley?