Can someone check on Robbie Neilson? The Hearts manager has been posted missing since footage of John Souttar’s off the ball attack on Kyogo was publicised. Neilson was highly animated at Celtic’s goal, the merits of which cannot be confirmed by video evidence. There is no such dubiety over Souttar’s bodily interference with Kyogo. With the ball out of play, the Hearts defender grabbed hold of Kyogo in the lower torso region, causing a visible abrasion.
Neilson, by any moral code, should refer his player to the video review panel, they both should apologise to the Celtic player. If John Souttar wants this kind of intimate relationship with a man he must go about it differently. We live in rainbow times, but the 25-year-old needs to learn there are boundaries to respect.
In all the CQN years, I have discussed refereeing performances in less than a handful of cases. Whenever I read people moaning about them, I think back to Jock Stein’s words to his players in that Celtic film from 1967, roughly abbreviated to ‘Deal with it’.
This is Scotland, referees are local, oversight is local, all the review and analytical process are local (as I am, BTW). This is the place where the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service brought the might of the land against a football club’s administrators who were not prepared to do the bidding of hostile agents. Save me your ‘Best wee country’ nonsense, with its implied superiority complex.
I was not surprised by a late penalty at Easter Road on Wednesday, it was not even noteworthy. Compare and contrast to the hysterical analysis at Celtic Park from one character on Sky Sports on Thursday. When the host calmly informing him that the TV analysis on the merits of Celtic’s goal was inconclusive, the facts could not penetrate, the matter was settled in his closed mind.
Based on stills when Anthony Ralston delivered his excellent cross, for my money, the goal was good. But I’m biased, so don’t listen to me on the goal any more than Kris Boyd. Celtic will win or lose the league with the referees we have, with pundits trying to convince whoever listens that inconclusive evidence is enough for them. It will work, too, Celtic will face the consequences of Thursday’s decision. This is Scotland, after all.
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It’s a measure of the disdain Sky sports hold Scottish football in that someone with Kris Boyd’s IQ is put forward to analyse games.
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If you fink Kris Boyd is bad, have a look/listen at Rio Ferdinand currently going froo the motions as one of free fought-provoking pundits on BT Sport prior to West Ham v Chelsea.
And to fink this ficko’s first language is cockney.
Do we want Souttar suspended for Hearts v Sevco match?
‘ I think back to Jock Stein’s words to his players in that Celtic film from 1967, roughly abbreviated to ‘Deal with it’.’
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That’s back of the bus stuff though, isn’t it?
Don’t just accept it, highlight it, challenge it, confront it.
Every single time.
Make it an issue.
Seo Linn – Soilsiú an Lae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrXKYxJRZ9Y&ab_channel=SeoLinn
Tom
Surely it’s what you say not how you say it – you can’t change where you were brought up
For me Boyd just talks nonsense.
Ernie – 50 years on we’re still expected to suck it up.
The ref problem would be easily solved if the sfa brought in officials from England for any games involving Celtic or the huns.
Every tim I know is very much in favour of this.
I’ve yet to meet a hun that thinks this is a good idea.
Funny that innit
Anybody summarise the article for me ? don’t get the nuances
ERNIE LYNCH on 4TH DECEMBER 2021 12:48 PM
“Don’t just accept it, highlight it, challenge it, confront it.
Every single time.
Make it an issue.”
I would call that `dealing with it,` :-)))
GENE on 4TH DECEMBER 2021 12:54 PM
Agreed. I was a wee bit surprised at Tom`s post.
Gene on 4th December 2021 12:54 pm
Tom
Surely it’s what you say not how you say it – you can’t change where you were brought up
For me Boyd just talks nonsense.
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Yep, maybe Tom prefers the queen’s english only ;o)
JACKIEMAC on 4TH DECEMBER 2021 1:02 PM
If you mean this paragraph:
“This is Scotland, referees are local, oversight is local, all the review and analytical process are local (as I am, BTW). This is the place where the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service brought the might of the land against a football club’s administrators who were not prepared to do the bidding of hostile agents. Save me your ‘Best wee country’ nonsense, with its implied superiority complex.”
then I have to say I am a bit confused as well.
Scléip na hÓige 2020 – Ceolchoirm le Seo Linn!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuHY_cQCxyk&ab_channel=CnabhF
“ We was very unlucky “
“ You get them games sometimes “
“ Fings like that what appen “
An I was at Violets funeral me.
London Town CSC
that’s the one HS
Couldn’t tell you what Boyd said. Don’t listen to him and more fool anyone expending precious emotional energy getting angry by his views.
That’s not to say the Hundits that dominate the SMSM have no influence. I agree, Celtic will face the ‘consequences of Thursday’s decision’ at some point.
I also agree with the gist of the article – we live in a parochial backwater.
If, as is widely suggested, there’s a deep-seated institutional issue Celtic could waste a lot of time and energy on something when, in modern speak we’re extremely unlikely to move the dial to a material degree. Challenging it every time it appears would be a distraction and open up an argument that we would never win.
We took them on armed with indisputable proof in 2010 and we were punished by the refs until the end of the season when we lost the league by a point
Jock Steins quote was made during a time when an fight would have been even less fruitful but the general principle still apples; box clever, use your energy wisely, target where and you can make improvements to your own position.
Cultivating a seige mentality is one very obvious strategy but unfortunately the board are seen as the enemy by too many among our support. It wouldn’t work
I agree with the posts re Kris Boyd`s unsuitability for the role of impartial football pundit . He is like most of the ex-Huns who conveniently find themselves in these media positions. I have to say, though, that on the occasions I have watched Sportscene, I have found Richard Foster pretty fair.
Kyogo will have to be careful, seen a few videos of him going down very easily
Am on board with “Deal with it”.
I’d like the club hierarchy to set the tone and lead by example.
Right now (IMHO) they don’t
If they did, the manager, players, fans, all other employees could follow from it.
For me, this is fundamentally simple.
Why does anyone do anything?
From my experience typically because
Either
1. They want to OR
2. They think they need to OR
3. They feel emotionally secure doing so
No point trying to modify or influence behaviours based on no.1 – stupid, ignorant bigots in their 40s or older will never change.
Likewise with 2. If your boss in a TV company tell you to pitch an editorial line as a condition of receiving a wage – you’ll do it.
Which leaves no.3. We know what they will say and what they will do.
So make them uncomfortable. By our response and reaction (at every level) make it clear that, if you target our club unfairly, there will be a reckoning.
PS – “they” covers a lot of people
Good afternoon all from Shawlands. Horses are even slower than me ffs.
Quarantine time will have to be taken into account for new signings, get them in early
Someone posted a video of the Sevco head of PR, DUP councillor and Orangeman, at the recent AGM on a different Celtic website the other day
He was questioned why their club didnt fight the persistent attacks on the fans in the media, while Celtic fans were being treated far more favourably. The language used wasn’t as coherent as that but there does seem to be a genuine belief among them that they get a worse deal in the press and from the refs than we do. Crazy crackpot delusion, of course.
But the head Hun, in an extremely wordy reply, explained that while they would publicly do all the usual hun stuff like not surrendering and being dignified and staunch, they would be fighting Sevcos corner behind the scenes. It was greeted with a cheer and a round of applause.
They’ve got their messaging right, both internally, and externally, and they have the trust of the fans that they will represent them. Our club doesn’t, for reasons that have been discussed ad infinitum on here.
Bada
We live in the age of ‘ he deserved to go down even with minimal contact’ – Kent was on his way down before he was touched. Don’t like to see it especially from Celtic players
Agree Re Richard Foster being fair.
Mind you his bird is more of a hub than he will ever be. So he probably gets a kicking when he gets home for being fair.
Of course the Souter thing will be raised and he will be banned next week when wee Gio and his orange army come to visit Tynecastle !
I don’t think them gaining the trust of the fans is anything more than a cynical business strategy, appointing a DUP councillor Orangemen as head of PR shows exactly where their priorities lie
They are an inward-looking conservative institution, they employ real life flat-earthers to present the club to the world, members of a political party and organisation with beliefs on race, gender, sexuality and religion that belong in the 17th Century that they are stuck in
Its working for them now, but they won’t grow with that outlook. The world is changing too fast
Gene- the dive the other night was embarrassing, someone should have a word with him
TOM MCLAUGHLIN on 4TH DECEMBER 2021 12:29 PM
Poor comment.
John Souttar hard man😂😂. Gies a break. Somehow, I don’t think he’d have nipped Sutton or Hartson. Love Kyogo, but he’s built like and wee boy and I’d like a Sutton type helping him out. His workrate at the end of the Hearts game was amazing. Chasing lost causes to win the ball back and disrupt any Hearts possession. What an engine and attitude the wee man has.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1466514501914738699
West Ham beat Chelsea 3-2 – great game and atmosphere.
Hagi will come in off the pocket
Dalek Rae
SS- that’s the one….
Hot Sm9ked from previous thread sorry to hear about your brother having a heart attack on Tuesday.
Please do tell him I was asking after him.
D :)