Before the SPL launch headlong into the process of ensuring Financial Fair Play they would do well to look over the water at the Irish Football Association (we’ll leave aside the fact that it’s the Irish FA who are on top of this situation there, but the league who are looking to tighten things up here, as the SFA await the next Any Other Business moment on a scheduled meeting).
Each month, every IFA club are required to complete a form which details information on whether wages, PAYE, NI and VAT have been paid. It also asks if historic HMRC repayment plans have been maintained, whether lenders have indicated they will remove or not renew borrowing facilities and several other questions designed to flush out future problems. Clubs, which are largely part-time with volunteer administrators, are also required to submit audited accounts.
Importantly, clubs must also authorise the IFA to inquire directly to HMRC to confirm details on the form are submitted accurately.
This single form, with authority to speak to HMRC, would have prevented Craig Whyte’s ‘business model’ from getting off the ground.
While the SPL should be applauded for tackling this issue their action must embarrass the moribund SFA. Embarrassment might reach further heights when the SPL call SFA president, Campbell Ogilvie, to give evidence into their inquiry into Rangers’ alleged double contract practice.
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Big Joe
This is the same kiddie on Celtic man that sat next to Jim White in the SS studio at Celtic Park and made derogatory comments about the same fans that he claims to be a part of??????
Hail hail
Top 10?
5th?
ernie lynch on 7 March, 2012 at 10:13 said:
ibleedgreenandwhite1 on 7 March, 2012 at 10:11 said:
‘Nicholas is an absolute fake’
I was standing next to him for the first half in Seville.
He’s a fud, but he’s a Celtic supporting fud.
Your entitled to your opinion m8,,,,but i cant agree with you on this one!!!
Nothing worse than a fake,,,and that’s exactly what Nicholas is!!!
Hail hail
stupid huns
Paul 67
Plush carpets at Hampden where a lot of real issue will be swept under I fear. My only hope is UEFA…
Keep up the good work.
You cannot be serious Paul. Us learn something from the Micks. Never.
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another jelly and ice cream day.
Paul67
Momentous day now that Dave King has confirmed rangers will die and have to reapply to SFA as a Newco.
Dave King
Having had the opportunity to visit key stakeholders and to properly consider the information now available to me I would like to comment on certain matters that I have hitherto refused to comment on.
My own visibility of the true state of affairs was being actively restricted and, as it turns out, falsified by Craig Whyte and I did not wish to add to the strongly held but unconfirmed rumours that were already being played out in the media.
Craig Whyte
I met with Craig Whyte during my recent visit and he provided clarity on the funding position. His true financial commitment was not by way of cash (as he had previously advised me) but rather guarantees that he and/or companies associated with him had given to Ticketus.
He confirmed to me that Ticketus has no recourse to the football club. Hopefully the administrators will be able to confirm this. The upshot of Craig Whyte’s confession is that the fans were duped.
Immediately upon the acquisition of the club by Craig Whyte (far from being debt free as was trumpeted by the Murray Group and Craig Whyte at the time) the club was in a much worse economic position than before and had no chance of survival even if we had progressed in Europe.
The Murray Group
I purposely did not meet with David Murray but did meet with Mike McGill who was a member of the Rangers board at the time of the acquisition and was intimately involved on behalf of the Murray Group in securing the sale to Craig Whyte.
I am absolutely satisfied in my mind that Mike McGill (and hence the Murray Group) had no knowledge that the proof of funds supplied by Craig Whyte’s attorneys was secured by season ticket sales. I am further satisfied that the Murray Group would not have proceeded with the transaction if the true source of the funds had been disclosed.
The Murray Group had every right to rely on the proof of funds letter that was supplied by Collyer, Bristow.
Collyer Bristow
The role of Collyer Bristow requires further investigation as this legal firm appears to have behaved in a manner inconsistent with its natural duties and responsibilities.
I met with Gary Withey, on two occasions, during my recent visit and I do not believe that it is plausible that he was actively involved in an attempt to deceive the shareholders, fans, and creditors of the club.
I do however continue to have concerns about the discharge of his duties as company secretary for Rangers. There is a true version that has yet to emerge regarding Collyer Bristow’s role and knowledge of events.
Administration
I do not believe that there is a reasonable prospect that the company can come out of administration. I believe that liquidation is inevitable.
European football
The club will not meet its financial requirements before the UEFA deadline. There will consequently be no European football next year and liquidation might extend that by another two years.
The harsh reality is that Craig Whyte has abused the loyalty of the fans by trading that future loyalty for cash in a manner that has excluded the club’s ability to provide the very product that the fans were expected to pay for.
To have done this, and then blatantly lied about it, is an abuse that no fan of any club should have to suffer.
HMRC
Now that I have evidenced the true position I wish to commend HMRC for showing the maximum restraint that it possibly could have under its mandate to collect taxes that are due.
The empathy that HMRC has demonstrated to the club and its fans is particularly gratifying given the abuse perpetrated on HMRC by Craig Whyte in withholding ongoing tax payments to fund the club- while simultaneously pretending that he was using his own funds.
Going forward
It grieves me to state that it seems inevitable that the footballing institution will survive but the company won’t. This will entail many hurdles (that will be overcome) including ‘Rangers (2012) Ltd’ having to reapply for membership of the SFA etc.
It is a sad point to have reached, but if managed sensibly, it can result in Rangers returning to its former glory as a football club in the shortest time possible. We must all strive to ensure that an appropriate ownership structure guarantees that this event is never repeated.
We must remember that our footballing friends across the city came very close to the point that we now find ourselves in. Scottish football needs a strong Rangers and Celtic- but perhaps in a slightly humbler form.
My own present position
I seem to be one of the few people who actually invested cash into the club. I have made a claim of £20 million on the basis of non-disclosure by the then Chairman, David Murray, of Rangers true financial position as far back as 2000.
Other shareholders may feel deceived like I do and wish to take similar action. (David Murray will no doubt argue to the contrary and the merits of this will be dealt with in due course in the appropriate forum.)
For present purposes however, I simply want to advise the fans and fellow shareholders that any benefit I receive from my claim will be fully reinvested into the restructured football club. I remain 100% committed to the Rangers football club and will do whatever I can to advance its interests.
My own future position
I intend to remain involved with the club, at least on my present basis, post-reconstruction if that is at all possible under the new ownership structure. I am however alert to the raw sentiment around the need for Rangers to have ‘fit and proper’ persons at its helm.
In view of my own well-publicised and acrimonious legal disputes with the authorities in South Africa I have taken it upon myself to approach the SFA in that regard in advance of considering an increased role in the club going forward. I will be guided by the SFA’s response in that regard.
Paul Murray
In the interim I will be putting my full support behind Paul Murray’s initiative to secure the future of the club. Paul is a very smart businessman of undoubted integrity and a man who holds all that is sacred and traditional at Rangers football club very close to his heart. He is exactly the type of man the club needs at this time.
The previous board
I worked happily with the previous board and was immensely saddened by the way that some of them were excoriated by the media for no reason other than that they strongly opposed the sale of the club to a man who appeared to have insufficient funds to take the club forward.
Martin Bain, Paul Murray and Alastair Johnston were fired immediately upon the takeover for voicing their concerns. The Rangers spin doctoring machine then started to work overtime to discredit them, both individually and collectively.
We now know the truth and hopefully those three loyal Rangers fans can now be fully welcomed back to Ibrox Park with full appreciation for the role that they have played in working tirelessly behind the scenes to expose Craig Whyte for what they truly knew him to be- and what all fans now know him to be.
This cancer might have continued longer without their continued probings.
Martin Bain
Martin deserves particular mention. I have chatted to him a few times since he was forced to resign. Despite the lies and untruths that were being leaked about him to the press he never wavered in his loyalty and commitment to the club.
He never wavered in his commitment to the fans and he was determined to expose what was really going on.
The club was fortunate to have Martin at the helm as CEO for many years and was even more fortunate to find him continue to act in the interests of the club after he was unjustifiably removed from that position and unjustifiably deprived of his fair contractual settlement.
John Greig and John McClelland
Both of these gentlemen were, like me, not fired from the board after the acquisition and soldiered on in the best interests of the club until they reached a point where they reluctantly resigned rather than be associated with the failing governance at the club. That was the early warning sign.
I haven’t spoken to John McClelland but I can confirm (from my recent discussions with him) how pained John Greig is to have been unable to attend his beloved Ibrox. Hopefully he will shortly be able to resume his rightful iconic place in the director’s box.
Previous titles
I have noted the recent media comment about Rangers being stripped of previously earned titles. While this makes good headlines, I am absolutely confident (now that I have a good sense of the true position) that this will not happen.
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/299996-in-full-rangers-director-dave-kings-statement/
HAIL HAIL
no time for Charlie Nick..
loved him as a player first time round, don’t forget he went to Eberdeen rather than return to Celtic…
he is an uncle Tim….worse than Provan or McLeod because he professed to be a Celtic fan..him and Walker…..
Paul,
HMRC in Oireland? Shurely summ mishtake.
Reposted from yesterday- Party at Swindon Town FC (party hats optional).
A shout out to anyone in the Swindon area and beyond. There is a Charity ‘ An Evening with John Hartson’ event at Swindon Town FC on Thursday 22nd March 7pm. Price is £15 per ticket which includes supper, comedian and auction including Celtic items. Proceeds go to Great Western Hospital Breast Cancer Unit.
Would be good to show BBJ the Celtic support in the area and what we think of a guy who donned the hoops and is now one us. If interested please leave a message on here and I will get Paul to send me your email.
Scottish Football’s New Word – Phoenixing
So why is the process takign so long? Is there a plan?
So Dave King is to sue SDM for his £20m. I imagine there are massive alarm bells and crisis talks also in the offices of Grant Thornton this morning.
The Bannerman wording of audit reports make it clear that the auditor can be held liable by no one…… except shareholders.
My guess is that this is the litigation dam cracking and will soon burst.
Chickens roosting anyone?
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South Of Tunis on 7 March, 2012 at 10:12 said:
Cold and wet -way down south . Unfortunately winter hasn’t gone yet.
Fabulous shift from some of The Confederacy of Dunces on the Beeb last night —” Hey man — look at those cavemen go ”
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S O T, you are right to make comparisons between the title of a truly great comic novel and the daily doses of comedy from the Hun.
I was bored out of my mind on holiday in a villa in Portugal some years ago with a library of books that consisted of Readers Digest and romantic novels when I stumbled across the John Kennedy Toole treasure. Never laughed out loud so much in my life.
Must read it again when all this hilarity dies down.
As we write disgraced tax-dodger Dave King enters stage right with writ against SDM in hand…………………comedy genius, you simply couldn’t make it up.
Charlie Nicholas has turned his back on Celtic by words and actions, he has been cast into the wilderness as far as I am concerned
Compare and contrast Charlie with Chris Sutton and Gordon Strachan after they left the club
King to sue Murray?
If they were selling tickets for that one someone could make a lot of cash
Nicholas and white on the mic when they thought they were off air.
“Tattie munchers, look that ones eating chips.”
Can’t believe i’m writing this but good solid statement form King, maybe the people will listen to him.
So its not just me that thinks Nicholas is a fake then!!
Hail hail
ibleedgreenandwhite1 on 7 March, 2012 at 10:19
Isn’t it strange how many former Celtic ‘stars’ fall over themselves to sneer at the club. It must have something to do with pandering to the dominant culture or, then again, it might just be the money.
But for every Nicholas and every Walker there are and were people of real substance like Busby, Clough, Shankly, Scargill and Mourinho who had nothing but respect and affection for Celtic.
fritzsong on 7 March, 2012 at 10:34 said:
ibleedgreenandwhite1 on 7 March, 2012 at 10:19
Isn’t it strange how many former Celtic ‘stars’ fall over themselves to sneer at the club. It must have something to do with pandering to the dominant culture or, then again, it might just be the money.
But for every Nicholas and every Walker there are and were people of real substance like Busby, Clough, Shankly, Scargill and Mourinho who had nothing but respect and affection for Celtic.
agreed m8,,,Nicholas really makes me sick,,,fawning all over Arsenal last night,,,absolutely embarrassed for him last night!!!
Hail hail
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Don’t flatter yerself ya boggin’ wee hun…
So we are set for a titanic battle between in one corner “The Tax Fraudster Dave King v In the other corner EBT Cheat David “Moonbeams” Murray
I wonder if this will be a Don King promotion
dubaibhoy
occupied 6 counties of Ireland = ifa
26 counties of Ireland =FAI
CHARLIE NICHOLAS is a plastic Celtic supporter
“listen to them,singing the tatty song while eating fish suppers”………unforgiveable
Huns have a new sponsor :D
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So King vs Murray?
How many years could that be flushed out?
It took the Big Tax case years. I doubt Murray even has 20 Million to give and King wants all the other former board members to do the same.
This appears to be grandstanding.
Dave King’s statement is no less than you would expect and he wants the SFA to look into his character as a fit and proper person – the end game of all this and Paul Murray’s touting is just a less than sly maneuver. He wants to live up to his name but if he’s desperate to get 20M from Murray to invest what does that say about his own wealth or the position of his own assets. Is he still in dispute with the tax authorities in South Africa?
He believes no titles will be stripped as he’s seen thing to assure him – what does that mean?
Titles will not be stripped if the SFA are doing the investigation – Farry/Cadete proved that one – that title should have been stripped retrospectively but Scotland wouldn’t countenance it.
Regardless if you are liquidated that history is gone and your silly 5 stars are gone from the newco shirt.
Again, bravado.
Having reviewed the financial dealings of David Murray and now Craig Whyte _ I can’t help feeling that they are alike.
Minty was all leverage in the boom-time but ultimately made himself rich whilst losing money for everyone he smarmed into investing with him- then dumped his worthless £1B company on the taxpayer.
Whytey is small-time by comparison but a man for the crunchtime preying on companies, stripping them cheating creditors and investors- then dumping his unpaid debts on the taxpayer.
History repeats itself, the first as tragedy, then as farce…
good luck to Dave king in trying to get money out of dodgy dave
that is like trying to take the knickers off a bare erse
if he does get any money, i am sure the SA authorities will be very interested in that
rogues and thieves
Morning all from a wet and windy Swindon( also top of the league).
Cant believe we are slagging Charlie Nic on here, was such a hero of mine that I named my first born after him.
Will always be a legend in my eyes.
Hector-MurdochauldandHay on 7 March, 2012 at 10:37 said:
So we are set for a titanic battle between in one corner “The Tax Fraudster Dave King v In the other corner EBT Cheat David “Moonbeams” Murray
I wonder if this will be a Don King promotion
Could the Huns not show this as a pay per view,,,could make a few bob,,as long as they dont pay the Tax that is :D
Hail hail
Paul 67
Over the recent period, I have been taking ample portions of jelly & ice cream to help me sleep. But, you know what…I continue to hear this, DARTH VADER type voice when I reach deep-sleep mode. The voice continually sermons me : “Protestant Scotland IS the huns, the huns ARE Protestant Scotland.” The DARTH VADER type voice continues “Never underestimate, the power of the DARK SIDE!”
Paul, I’m at a loss. What does this feckin voice mean ?
Are you a dream/nightmare specialist ? :o)
Hail! Hail!
Honestly, you think this can’t possibly get any funnier but day after day it continues to reward every hoops fan in the land.
‘It appears i’m one of the few who actually invested money into the club’ – and now he wants it back!! Haha, mon the DK.
Apologies for the long post (and feel free to scroll by) but given the comments of Neil Doncaster in relation to a Newco being parachuted into the SPL and his comments in respect of how the current Rules and Regulation, Articles of Association of the SPL would be applied with particular reference to whether it will be a decision for the Board of the SPL or a the Company in General Meeting, I believe it is now an appropriate time to publish my correspondence with Mr Doncaster on this very subject.
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(Original later sent to Neil Doncaster dated 13/01/2012)
Dear Mr Doncaster,
As an avid supporter of Scottish Football, the Scottish national side and Celtic Football club I write to you today asking you, as Chief Executive of the SPL, to clarify the procedures, process’s, Rules & Regulations of the SPL and The Articles of Association of the SPL that would be applied by the SPL if a member club holding one share finds itself liquidated, therefore no longer holding entitlement to its share in the SPL.
In particular I am interested as to whether a brand new club/legal entity being formed, with a similar name, team colours, badge, playing in the same stadium and being supported by the same supporters as the liquidated member would/would not be afforded direct entry into the SPL in place of the liquidated member?
If the aforementioned new club would/would not be afforded direct entry can you provide me with the following:
a) details of the specific rule(s)/articles(s) from the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the particular article/s from The Articles of Association of the SPL that would support any decision to allow/disqualify a new company as previously described direct entry into the SPL?
b) based on a) above would this decision be a Reserved matter for The Board of the SPL and if so provide details of the specific rule(s)/article(s) from the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the particular article from The Articles of Association of the SPL that would support this?
c) based on a) above if the decision is not a Reserved matter for The Board of the SPL is it a matter for the non-liquidated Members of the SPL in General Meeting passing an Ordinary Resolution, a Qualified Resolution or a Special Qualified Resolution, providing details of the specific rule(s)/article(s) from the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the particular article from The Articles of Association of the SPL that would support this?
I look forward to your reply on the questions raised.
Yours Sincerely
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(Neil Doncaster’s reply to letter above dated 24/01/2012)
Thank you for your letter of 13 January 2012.
The nature of the questions that you ask is somewhat technical – and to do justice to your questions would require far more than a simple paragraph of explanation. Suffice to say, the existing rules would cover any situation involving an attempt to transfer any of the shares in the SPL, while that rulebook remains in place. All of our rules are available online at http://www.scotprem.com.
Thank you for your interest in the Scottish Premier League.
Yours Sincerely
Neil Doncaster
Chief Executive
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Dear Neil,
Thank you for your letter dated 24th of January 2012 in reply to my letter (attached) dated 13th of January 2012.
I understand the nature of the questions put to you in my original letter were ‘somewhat technical’ and I understand that it would take more than a ‘simple paragraph of explanation’ to answer each question. However, I do not believe I requested that you provide me with a ‘simple paragraph of explanation’ in answer to my ‘somewhat technical’ questions.
As Chief Executive of the SPL I would appreciate that you treat this letter with the same due respect and regard you would expect in your position. Given the precarious financial position of a number of clubs holding 1 equal share of the Scottish Premier League at this time I believe you would be failing in your duties, as Chief Executive of the SPL, to the SPL, to each member club, to each member clubs supporters organisations and every independent football supporter if you were not fully aware of how the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and the Articles of Association of the SPL with regards the ‘Transfer of Shares in the SPL’ would be applied if a member club was to be liquidated and did not have a plan in place in readiness for such an outcome.
I have read the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and the Articles of Association of the SPL as well as the clarification letter/s posted on the SPL website August 2011 a number of times, prior to both my original letter to you and your subsequent reply. I am interested, however, to know exactly how these Rules and Regulations and Articles of Associations as well as any clarifications (in the form of letters to member clubs) of the aforementioned will be applied with reference to the questions asked in my original letter of the 13th of January 2012 and expanded upon below.
As Chief Executive of the SPL please clarify the procedures, process’s, Rules & Regulations of the SPL and The Articles of Association of the SPL (inclusive of clarification letters to members) that would be applied by the SPL if a member club holding one share finds itself liquidated, therefore no longer holding entitlement to its share in the SPL?
In particular I am interested as to whether a brand new club/legal entity being formed, with a similar name, team colours, badge, playing in the same stadium and being supported by the same supporters as the liquidated member would/would not be afforded direct entry into the SPL in place of the liquidated member?
With regards the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and the Articles of Association of the SPL including all publically published clarification letters please advise as to whether the aforementioned new club would/would not be afforded direct entry to the SPL and provide me with the following:
a) details of the specific rule(s) from the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the particular article/s from The Articles of Association of the SPL that would support any decision to allow/disqualify a new company as previously described direct entry into the SPL?
b) based on a) above would this decision be a Reserved matter for The Board of the SPL and if so provide details of the specific rule(s) from the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the particular article(s) from The Articles of Association or subsequent clarification letters of rules or articles of the SPL that would support this decision?
c) based on a) above if the decision is not a Reserved matter for The Board of the SPL is it a matter for the non-liquidated Members of the SPL in General Meeting passing an Ordinary Resolution, a Qualified Resolution or a Special Qualified Resolution, providing details of the specific rule(s) from the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the particular article(s) from The Articles of Association of the SPL or subsequent clarification letters of the rules or articles of the SPL that would support this decision?
With regards the questions detailed above I was interested to listen to Radio Clyde Football phone in show and in particular Hugh Keevins, Sports Journalist for the Daily Record Newspaper, on the 23rd of January at 19:37, during a discussion on the topic of Rangers FC being replaced in the SPL by a new company/football club reformed from the old Rangers FC after liquidation, make the following statement “I wrote about Rangers situation – I was briefed about what would happen by the SPL.” Given this public statement by Hugh Keevins can you please confirm if such briefings have taken place with regards the situation of Rangers FC being liquidated and a new company/club being afforded direct entry in place of the old company/club back in the SPL, between Sports Journalists and the SPL and if so were these briefings presented to journalists prior to your reply to me date 24th of January 2012?
Further to the above you state in your reply “the existing rules would cover any situation involving an attempt to transfer any of the shares in the SPL”. Is there a possibility that the rules could change in order to accommodate a transfer of a share in the SPL between an existing club/company experiencing a liquidation event which sees that club/company re-emerge as a new club/company taking the old club/companies place in the SPL? If so would this be a decision for the SPL Board or would it be a decision for all non-liquidated members of the SPL in General Meeting passing an Ordinary Resolution, a Qualified Resolution or a Special Qualified Resolution, providing details of the specific rule(s) from the Rules and Regulations of the SPL and/or the particular article(s) from The Articles of Association of the SPL or subsequent clarification letters of the rules or articles of the SPL that would support this decision?
Are the SPL and as Chief Executive Officer, you, fully aware of how the SPL plan to apply the Rules & Regulations of the SPL and/or the specific Articles of Association of the SPL in relation to the questions put to you with regards a non-specific SPL club/company holding one equal share of the SPL as detailed in my original letter dated 13th of January 2012?
I look forward to your reply to the questions raised and hope that on this occasion you treat my request with the respect your position as Chief Executive of the SPL holds.
Yours Sincerely
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Thank you for your further letter of 30 January 2012, which I received this morning.
Your letter asks a number of technical questions about the SPL Rules. However, there is little I can add to my previous response to you in this matter.
The SPL’s existing rules (as set out at http://www.scotprem.com) would cover any situation involving an attempt to transfer any of the shares in the SPL, while that rulebook remains in place. That rulebook can of course change – but any change would require to be voted on in general meeting by the members. Whether any such change would require eight, ten or eleven votes depends on the nature of such change, in accordance with the Articles of Association of the Company.
I am not going to comment on any specific situation regarding any of the SPL’s member clubs. Nor am I prepared to speculate how any such situation might develop and, therefore, how the SPL would treat any such development.
I am sorry that I cannot assist further.
Yours sincerely
Neil Doncaster
Chief Executive
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MWD
swindonbhoy on 7 March, 2012 at 10:41 said:
Morning all from a wet and windy Swindon( also top of the league).
Cant believe we are slagging Charlie Nic on here, was such a hero of mine that I named my first born after him.
Will always be a legend in my eyes.
Charlie Nicholas the Celtic player (first time around) was a gr8 player scored some gr8 goals for Celtic and that will always be remembered!!
The Charlie of today though bear’s no resemblance!!!!
He has shown nothing but contempt for our club and us as fans!!!
Hail hail
So Kilmarnock couldn’t sell all their tickets for cup final and have made some available to general sale, limited to 10 per customer
Fill yer boots
http://www.killieshop.co.uk/productinfo.asp?ProductID=367
Mort