It’s difficult not to associate Hearts’ owner, Vladimir Romanov’s outburst on their club website yesterday with the current issue over Rangers finances, which could soon see the SPL, the SFA and the media take sides between Rangers and their creditors, in particular HM Revenue and Customs.
Romanov’s rant on the demise of the Scottish game was ignorable until he dragged in the “tax authorities” for blame. As you and I know, the tax authorities don’t play favourites, they collect vat, income, corporation and other taxes in line with the law.
Hearts failed to pay player wages last month and Romanov now says, “there is no point is spending millions to watch someone else’s show”. Most of Hearts debt is owed to Romanov’s own bank but if player wages are unpaid there is a good chance HMRC will also be outstanding, explaining the “tax authorities” reference.
If a new football club playing at Ibrox is ushered into the SPL with a points tally calculated from the position of a defunct Rangers you can expect a gold-rush of clubs ready to flush their debts to the country, and history, away.
Well done to STV who yesterday revealed the actual decision making process which would be put in place to judge an application to join the league midseason or at any other time. The SPL board, by simple majority, have the decision, while the SFA need to ratify membership.
If the SPL board vote to reward bad debtors’ shares in their league what incentive would most clubs have to pay their bills? Fortunately, our history is more valuable than any amount of cash.
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Estadio says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:21
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Wim Jansen knew that, Advocatte was coming into the huns and, was being bank-rolled by Murray.
Wim wanted assurances from Fergus that, Celtic would at least make a fight of it.
Fergus took a back seat and, so did the club for the next 2 years!
I heard a rumour about our “Kevin” and a gerbil called Lemmiwinks. (thumbsup)
There was a fight at training yesterday. The photo with Commons proves that it wasn’t a massive deal but was a training ground spat.
Celtic have dealt with this well.
I hope the fight will now be taken to our opponents and Celtic will find a level of consistency.
LB
The Honest Mistake
‘‘As a coach it’s the most critical week of our careers at Celtic, definitely. We can’t lose any more ground to Rangers.’’
He added: ‘‘Of course, we are battling to save our jobs. I was here six years as a player and I know how it is up here.’’
Dr Jo signed some outstanding players
Hold the feck on ….
So now it’s the board of the SPL that makes the decision?
Six people, one of whom can effectively vote twice? Are you joking?
Paul67, how precarious do you think the position of the league is in this issue?
Does the situation with Hearts make it more, or less, likely that this will happen without the rules being applied properly?
If Hearts go first, would the league let them in, knowing Rangers are a virtual certainty to do the same?
If Rangers go first, would the rules be changed, knowing Hearts are a virtual certainty to do likewise?
How in God’s name do they limit the insurmountable damage this would do? Do a hasty one-off rewrite of the rules to make sure it doesn’t happen again? That would be scandalous, considering the rules that would need to be bent or broken just to allow this.
Your domino analogy is bang on. Do the Celtic directors know the consequences, to Celtic, of being seen to endorse this decision, if it comes off? All our years of suffering because of so-called “good governance” would have been for nothing. How do we, as a support, tolerate that? Our enemies would be laughing at us, and rightly so.
Once these walls start to fall there is no stopping it. This is a once-in-a-generation decision, and the consequences of it will be with all of us for decades to come. Decades. A one-off points deduction and a slap on the wrist is a non-starter here Paul, and if our board does not have a Plan B then the problems presently at Rangers will be minor compared to the enormous volcano of anger which erupts out of the Celtic supporters.
Who’s to say the photo of Commons ,isny for real ,he could be really hurt.
Off oot noo.
“Sack The Board NOW or, we’ll pass them on the way down!!!
Paul67
A poster on the RTC site posted this yesterday in response to STVs article on a phoenix company set up
Thoughts either way?
STV clearly don’t read the SPL rules they set out as an appendix to their article for if they had it would be clear to them that SPL Board don’t decide matters in these instance it would be either a
A Qualified Resolution (90%), shall be required for the passing of a resolution in respect of the following Reserved Matters:-
(i) the expulsion of a Club from the League
or else
38. A Special Qualified Resolution, (83%) shall be required for the passing of a resolution in respect of the following Reserved Matters:-
(i) any expansion of the League by the addition or admission of new Members (other than as a result of the operation of the Rules governing promotion/relegation between the League and the SFL);
(ii) any reduction in the number of Members of the Scottish Premier League (other than as a result of a Member ceasing to be a Member of the Scottish Premier League in accordance with the Rules and/or these Articles or as a consequence of the expulsion of a Member); and,
(iii) the allotment and the issue of a Share.
Maybe that a Pape can sit on the throne now has upset them?? I can understand that!! Chuckle chuckle.
Bassa ,Kevin is away oot,I was wanting him to agree with me.
Kevin wants the return of the ‘Jungle’ ASAP! says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:37
Don’t forget yer rattle oan the way oot..
You’d think a hundercover hun would at least be smart enough to google the correct spelling of “Caesar”.
But you’d be wrong.
I blame the schools. (thumbsup)
Ole Graham Parker and The Rumour are back recording again.
I think this is a good thing.
They gave me one of the best nights ever at the ole Apollo, when the support band was Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes.
Rapport-prix-qualite.
Theres no way i’m getting fuzzy about no shave November.
Change the locks…quick.
Hail Hail
Estadio
“No!” squeaked Lemmiwinks, “I don’t want to go in there!”.
“Kevin” just smiled lasciviously. (thumbsup)
and with that the average iq of the cqn active online community doubles.
AsonofDan
No offence but the quote is nothing like your interpretation of it. Lenny said at the end of last season that he needed to win the league this year. There is nothing new here.
Your Interpretation:-
Interested to know your thoughts on the Mjalllby quote. Management team have decided to walk if they do not win next two games or board have informed them their jobs depend on it? HH
Actual Quote (note no mentions of jobs depending on winning next two games or management team walking):-
‘‘As a coach it’s the most critical week of our careers at Celtic, definitely. We can’t lose any more ground to Rangers.’’
He added: ‘‘Of course, we are battling to save our jobs. I was here six years as a player and I know how it is up here.’’
Kevin wants the return of the ‘Jungle’ ASAP!: 2 November, 2011 at 12:59
“Wim resigned on a point of principle…Jock Brown CEO was interfering in the football side of the club”
So what we do know is you read the Daily Record.
At 12:50 you promised to scroll past my posts. Nine minutes later you went back on your word.
Are you Craig Whyte?
Dontbrattbakkinanger says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:40
That was a great night, ah the Ole Apollo…
Miss Burds lookin tasty the day!! As always!!
Estadio says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:21
Irregardless of the exact details, I think the point most people are making is that Wim resigned due to Jock Brown’s interfernece in player issues. We had a league winning manager for the first time in 9 years and people were frustrated that an arrogant commentator was influential in his decision to leave. You only have to watch Jock Brown in the Celtic History DVDs to see how impossible he would have been to work with.
Also with regard to Fergus he deserves enormous credit for the job he did but he should not be immune from criticism or scrutiny. His business plan and vision was crucial to take the club forward but he could not have done that without the massive backing of the fans. People dipped deep into their pockets during the share issue and this provided the financial backing for our wonderful stadium and the new team which was built. These same people were entiteld to an opinion when we failed to build on our first league success.
I agree that booing him during the flag was crass but at the same time I have to disagree with those who paint him as a footballing Mother Theresa figure. He was an incredibly difficult and awkward man to work with as the great Tommy Burns testified to several times and after winning the league in ’98 we should have invested a reasonable sum to have a crack at the Champion’s League.
He left the club in an unrecognisably better position when he left that it was in 5 years previously, but he wasn’t perfect. Far from it.
Paul67 et al
There is a scene in Some Like It Hot, at a Convention for ‘Friends of the Italian Opera’ in Miami when the character, Little Napoleon I think it was, addresses his fellow mobsters with something to the effect of;
“Last year we made over 11 million dollars before taxes,…and we don’t pay taxes!”
Romanov seems to be taking David Murray’s strategy to the absolute limit, which is this;
“If you don’t pay any wages, you don’t need to pay any taxes!”
LiviBhoy says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:34
The photo with Commons proves that it wasn’t a massive deal but was a training ground spat.
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Totally.
I just broke my own sarcasmometer :-(
The long distance British Transfer,
It’s 623.7 miles between Bournemouth’s Dean Court and Ross County’s Victoria Park. “First John O’Neill left Bournemouth for Ross in 2001 and then Derek Holmes made the reverse journey in 2002.”
Heard Brown wanted Paul Lambert to take ellacution lessons. I heard Paul was going to thump him but the Q was to long!!! lol
Angelus @13 20—–
Fiorentina were declared bankrupt in 2002 and were relegated to Serie C.
They were forced to play under a new name — Fiorentina Viola.
They then bought back the original name..
Fiorentina were hard done to ——— they were not the only bankrupt club in Serie A at that particular time . Unfortunately for them they did not have the political friends / political influence available to other clubs. Those nice ” Rules are Rules ” chaps at UEFA did zilch about such unfair treatment.
2010 Never Again
The afternoon blessing will commence in 5 mins……..at which time a wee prayer will be said to guide the hand of the loyal and dedicated team from Her Majesty’s Revenue & Customs.
Many thanks to Philvis for sharing his podium honours with me.
Truly, Philvis is an awesome man.
I think Kevin is too young to have even stood in the Jungle… :)
Steinreignedsupreme says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:41
…Jock Brown CEO was interfering in the football side of the club”
He was. If you ever get chatting to an ex-player from the era then ask them. I thought everyonw knew this, it’s hardly a secret.
Burd. OOOPS Forgive me Jackie.
philvisreturns says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:27
ASonOfDan – Why would anyone in the future want to sponsor a league of bad debtors and tax dodgers?
And who would ever extend them a line of credit in future? (thumbsup)
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Irony alert……………………………………
starry plough -you’re not wrong.
And it probably cost thirty bob to get in.
That weather is rubbish. It has never been 85 in Oldham.
The Battered Bunnet – Truly, Philvis is an awesome man.
I approve of this message. (thumbsup)
Steinreignedsupreme says:
2 November, 2011 at 13:41
Kevin wants the return of the ‘Jungle’ ASAP!: 2 November, 2011 at 12:59
“Wim resigned on a point of principle…Jock Brown CEO was interfering in the football side of the club”
So what we do know is you read the Daily Record.
At 12:50 you promised to scroll past my posts. Nine minutes later you went back on your word.
Are you Craig Whyte?
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2010 Never Again
I would say that is a pretty accurate description <:-))